This is one of the most atrocious abuses of the judicial system I've ever read about, and its only now beginning to come out into the public's attention. What I fear deep down is that so much of the government's power, at all levels, has been taken control of by progressives,technocrats, and socialists, that it's too late.
There is no room for civil discourse with these people. They actually feel justified in using any tactic or abuse or destruction of lives to gain their ends, with little fear of public or official backlash. They are in every nook and cranny of our society's institutions, government, law enforcement, judicial system, education, financial and even business.
It may very well be that those valuing liberty will have to begin to recognize the assault we're under is worthy of self defense, that these issues that we discuss and nibble around the edges of, trying to apply reason to, are actually as deadly as is a madman attacking with an axe, and deserve appropriate self defense. I think this is about life.
"John Doe" warrants are absolutely unconstitutional, as they are a form of illegal search and seizure, violating the 4th amendment. Warrants should be granted only when there is reasonable cause, and restricted to the party who is the likely suspect of criminal activity. Grand juries violate the 5th amendment, denying the defendant evidence presentation and testimony that would insure proper judgement of his peers.
I've been asked to give false testimony in more than one grand jury, but when I registered a complaint that the Federal prosecutor was suborning perjury, all it took to eliminate the complaint was a statement of denial by the prosecutor. If the grand jury system isn't entirely eliminated, then any witness should have the right to have preliminary interviews recorded.
on Fox this past evening, the statement was made that this judge signed a stack of these warrants at once, like a rubber-stamp process. . this is scary. -- j
I personally know one of the people this happened to. None of us knew about it until this person stuck his neck out and broke the gag order. The people of WI and the nation own this person a debt of gratitude for telling us about it.
Yes you are now doomed J. I learned yesterday that the FBI was involved in these raids. True or false is unknown but heard it from a very reliable source. So they can track you down in any state. :)
If this ever happens to anyone immediately go public, to the news, lawyers, and anyone else that will listen. This is America and we have rights. I know several houses where this forced entry without a warrant probably would have went down much differently!!
Not much to add to the numerous excellent comments, except to say I am shocked as everyone, and anyone responsible for this outrage should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
And, as much or even more so, as they are the supposed "guardians" of Liberty, anyone in the press who knows of this and is willingly ignoring it should be even more ashamed, by orders of magnitude.
Unfortunately, I believe that even the good officers do not see it this way. I heard it first hand from a local officer. They believe they have the right to go into anyone's home and take anything they want in an emergency.
I have no doubt that that's true. I dare say their are probably some extreme officers who would leave out the "emergency" qualifier. But as Rand showed in AS, morality and immorality exist at all levels of the pyramid of ability and within all occupations. I'm sure there are many policeman out there just as shocked as we are about this extreme violation of rights.
Just my opinion (maybe I could get a government grant to do an official, pseudo-scientific study to make it real).
Also, and again, IMO I'd bet most police and police organizations support 2nd Amendments rights, which would be irrational if they saw their job as routinely knocking down people's doors.
But I'm also certain there are exceptions to that, especially I would think in large liberal cities, where nobody should have guns but the police, of course.
Well, for what it is worth, I heard this from an officer in a rural town of 4500 people in a county of 24,000. Even our local, republican Sheriff did not want concealed carry in Wisconsin without a sticker on the license plate of the permit holder. Urg!
Well, I think we've determined that Wisconsin is "special"...a sticker on a license plate? How about the silhouette of a piston sewn on your breast, like a yellow Star of David...?
Jackbooted thugs terrorizing American citizens with the full force of the government behind them. This sickens me.
And where is the national media coverage of this atrocity... deafeningly silent. Yet another example of the tyranny of the left that result in jail time for those involved, but will result in more "nothing to see here".
If's a wonder no one was shot and/or killed. This scenario would play out much differently in TX. President Cruz is absolutely right when he says the Second Amendment is the ultimate check against government tyranny.
I don't know about anybody else, but this works with me. You better believe I am afraid because I know I am exactly the person that the government wants to target and shut down, and I know they can destroy everything I have worked for all my life. Anybody who thinks we don't live in tyranny better think again.
This is absolutely disgraceful. The article hits the key when one of the victims says something about this being the way we treat suspected drug dealers. Once we give the gov't power to act like this to address one problem, like gangs, terrorists, drugs, etc, it ends up being abused for political reasons. We're coming inured to there being special cases where Constitutional protections don't apply. I can convey my disgust for this type of abuse.
Cg, It appears that you see the problem. What I don't understand is how you cannot see that it is the people you support in office that are doing these things. I sincerely hope that someday you will see this, just like I did many years ago.
IMHO, doing more & much deeper research on the candidates you vote for would be a good start. I say this not to criticize. There was a day when I voted for people that have taken my natural rights away. I have learned and I believe you can too. :)
All forgiven in NewMerica since the perps were Citizens of the New World Order and the objects of the gross corruption were Walker conservatives. Right?
Oh, I think that's about the size of it. It it were Walker doing the same to his political opponents during, say, the recall campaign against him, you'd see it on the 3 MSM networks every night...a 60 Minute special...liberal news rags...etc...
Your comment made me think - When will anybody do anything about it? Somebody will literally need to carry out a citizens arrest on one or more of these "officials". Wouldn't that be met with extreme violence?
What will probably need to happen is a sheriff with a spine will have to assert his legal authority and arrest these criminals. Officers would be much less likely to open fire on fellow officers. Unless this is heavily documented and immediately released to the public as it happens, John Doe attempting an arrest will be quickly blown off as a "domestic terrorist".
If someone tried this on one of my neighbors, they'd immediately find several of us with loaded weapons in the streets filming the whole thing and asking the officers what was going on. If they tried this at my house, they would be treated as well as they presented themselves.
I'm beginning to feel like Vercingetorix, leader of the defeated Gauls before being executed by Caesar. His last words might have been, "I'm a free person from a free country."
I sleep with multiple loaded guns close at hand. If something like this happen to me and mine there will likely be several deaths. Not saying I would survive but I know I could easily take many with me.
Unfortunately, I just saw "Woman In Gold" which had several scenes of NAZIs doing exactly the came as described here. I suddenly got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. (By the way, a really good film and Helen Mirren is a wonder). I never thought that this sort of thing would ever happen in My America. But like the man says "It already has."
There is no room for civil discourse with these people. They actually feel justified in using any tactic or abuse or destruction of lives to gain their ends, with little fear of public or official backlash. They are in every nook and cranny of our society's institutions, government, law enforcement, judicial system, education, financial and even business.
It may very well be that those valuing liberty will have to begin to recognize the assault we're under is worthy of self defense, that these issues that we discuss and nibble around the edges of, trying to apply reason to, are actually as deadly as is a madman attacking with an axe, and deserve appropriate self defense. I think this is about life.
I've been asked to give false testimony in more than one grand jury, but when I registered a complaint that the Federal prosecutor was suborning perjury, all it took to eliminate the complaint was a statement of denial by the prosecutor. If the grand jury system isn't entirely eliminated, then any witness should have the right to have preliminary interviews recorded.
that this judge signed a stack of these warrants at
once, like a rubber-stamp process. . this is scary. -- j
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjToVZTq...
starting at 1:02
And, as much or even more so, as they are the supposed "guardians" of Liberty, anyone in the press who knows of this and is willingly ignoring it should be even more ashamed, by orders of magnitude.
Also, and again, IMO I'd bet most police and police organizations support 2nd Amendments rights, which would be irrational if they saw their job as routinely knocking down people's doors.
But I'm also certain there are exceptions to that, especially I would think in large liberal cities, where nobody should have guns but the police, of course.
And where is the national media coverage of this atrocity... deafeningly silent. Yet another example of the tyranny of the left that result in jail time for those involved, but will result in more "nothing to see here".
If's a wonder no one was shot and/or killed. This scenario would play out much differently in TX. President Cruz is absolutely right when he says the Second Amendment is the ultimate check against government tyranny.
Respectfully.
No matter who it is applied to, this is a very scary development in our once-free nation. This doesn't bode well at all...
Our Lords and Masters are beginning to flex their muscles, believing they now have the power to completely ignore the Constitution.
It's up to us to remind them they do not have absolute power. If you see this happening, record it, call the press, spread it all over cyberspace.
Cockroaches hate sunlight.
Where do we go from here?...
Officers would be much less likely to open fire on fellow officers.
Unless this is heavily documented and immediately released to the public as it happens, John Doe attempting an arrest will be quickly blown off as a "domestic terrorist".