Oregon Becomes First State To Implement Per-Mile Road Tax
First into Bondage! Oregon leads the way! We have never seen a tax we didn't like! A holes.
I drive 1736 miles a month to work, @ 38 mpg I spend $13.70 a month. Were I stupid enough to do this rip off, (at the low, low price of 1.5cents per rutted, potholed mile next to beautiful bike lanes built with gas tax money) I would "give" or "donate" to the State of ineptitude 26.04. Only a 100% tax increase? I get a high mileage car because I do not want to cdonate to gas price manipulating oil companies, so now I get to give Oregon the equivelant of 60 cents a gallon in Road Tax because I don't "waste" enough gas for them? But now I can pay an additional 30 cents a gallon for eco friendly fuel that some Dumbocrap thought I "needed" to use so we could "support the alternate fuel industry" that gave so frickin much to them the last election they stole? DO NOT, DO NOT allow your state to go down this road, unless you own a 5 gallon a mile PU or something.
I drive 1736 miles a month to work, @ 38 mpg I spend $13.70 a month. Were I stupid enough to do this rip off, (at the low, low price of 1.5cents per rutted, potholed mile next to beautiful bike lanes built with gas tax money) I would "give" or "donate" to the State of ineptitude 26.04. Only a 100% tax increase? I get a high mileage car because I do not want to cdonate to gas price manipulating oil companies, so now I get to give Oregon the equivelant of 60 cents a gallon in Road Tax because I don't "waste" enough gas for them? But now I can pay an additional 30 cents a gallon for eco friendly fuel that some Dumbocrap thought I "needed" to use so we could "support the alternate fuel industry" that gave so frickin much to them the last election they stole? DO NOT, DO NOT allow your state to go down this road, unless you own a 5 gallon a mile PU or something.
Perhaps you should become the Gone instead.
Stop holding back, tell us how you really feel. Lol.
You are a cash cow and apparently you were trying to get out of it with that high fuel mileage car. You have been caught, now get back in the pasture. One way or another they will get your "fair share".
Jan
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You have to scroll down half a page or so.
Thanks for the mammaries.
Nightmares now...
Jan
I'm a Cash Cow...
Just ask my Legislators.
It's the same everywhere I drive. Two tree cutting crews, plus the chippers, and they are all standing around having a smoke, shooting the breeze, traffic piles up, and they eventually deign to allow cars to pass. After the mandatory 15 minute break, of course.
Yes indeed. Nothing about it makes any sense. Unions funded by government contracts. The local townships want more revenue via property taxes so the system is rigged. Family farmers stop farming, re-zone their land for residential and sell, so people build McMansions in new subdivisions with more streets the gov't can't afford to maintain... food prices go up and we become more dependent on large agro-corps in places like the San Fernando valley where they get droughts... what a roller coaster... We are all being taken for a ride. "Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other." - Ronald Reagan
Regards,
O.A.
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Bah!
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Enjoy!
should take measures to tax it! -- j
breathing; then became a more well-rounded
character. -- j
I used to go on loooong rides many years ago. Loved it!
soaking up $$. . I have tried both. . Best To Ya, Chief!!! -- j
and my sister had a thoroughbred at a friend's farm.
we needed to do the daily hay, water and feed thing
and my 77 jeep cherokee chief was "it" for the
adventure. . we found everything and made it
fine, but there were trials and tribulations -- and
a scar on the left rear corner -- which left us in awe
of mama nature!!! -- j
p.s. . Lots Of Good Four Wheel Drive Time!!!
and effective it is. . now, we're sending a carrier
to Yemen to "keep sea lanes open" instead of
confronting Iran's expansion and control of yet
another country. -- j
p.s. . my family has a cabin in the country with
a jet pump 300-plus feet down; ; ; the generator
is here at our house, though. . but it trucks well
in the baja mini-pickup!
which lifts the water all the way up to the cabin.
I think that it's 378 feet down. -- j
p.s. this may be something like it::: http://www.essentialhardware.com/frankli...
And now Moochelle does, too... Don't look surprised!
:)
extract $$ from the masses. . thieves. -- j
a. the voters won't approve a sales tax
b. the voters limited the property tax
c. the voters haven't got around to running a recall - which they have.
d. the voters haven't moved elsewhere.
e. because the voters don't know the meaning of BOHICA.
f. they went to school in Ashland?
About 3 weeks ago I was talking to a friend about this and I stated that it wouldn’t be long before the states instituted a mileage tax and keep the per gal or the sales tax on fuels. As the non news watching left wing air head voter said at that time. “Oh that will never happen.” Just can’t wait to see him again.
I hate that trucking is subsidized the taxpayer and car owner, when a majority of road wear (and considerable congestion) comes from trucking. Trains would crush trucking for long hauls were it not for this.
Roads that is freeways led to UPS then add aircraft which replaced trains and ships, computers, and a new phone system with a real long distance ability led to Amazon and bingo todays order is in your house tomorrow. Trains are only part of the system and like Russia we need to fix what is broke.
So when are trains most useful?
Like loads to like destinations.
Use of shipping containers from China to LA to Baltimore.
When there are tracks in place
when the price of truck fuel surpasses trainfuel ha ha they are both diesel.
When the industry and it's unions out weigh the trucking version and regain what it lost in the early fifties.l
Agree, train unions and pork-politics killed them, but now the Teamsters keep trucking artificially affordable.
The teamsters are on my list of unhealthy US institutions.
And that only adds to your point, with which I agree: the tax and justification is indefensible on any grounds. If they are calling it a "usage tax", no matter whether you are using the gas, or using the roads (wearing them down, etc.), it's not best measured by how many miles you travel. Me and my little Prius "use" very little, VERY VERY little, of either. 50mpg and unmeasurable road usage. Yet since I bought it last July I have driven 20,000+ miles. And much of that was out of state to see my brother in Florida, my other brother in Maryland, and wondering how much of this kind of state tax I would be assessed for driving outside the jurisdiction of such a state? Heck, I commute into Mass. daily, sometimes twice daily (I eat lunch at home sometimes) and the miles I drive in my home state of NH is probably less than a tenth of the odometer number.
I'm sure glad that the Prius keeps close track of the details of my driving: where, when, how fast, and more. We can stop wondering why this kind of metrics were added to the on-board systems for US autos.
1. Life for all human beings:
from conception to natural death.
I do not want to tell anyone or have any tell me about what I consider to be a personal decision, but thats just me.
2. Freedom of conscience and actions
for the self-governed individual.
I'm ok with this.
3. One husband and one wife with their children,
as divinely instituted.
Again, the Constitution does not say anything about this, that I know of, and I abhor telling anyone what to do, as long as it is not impressed on me. Marry a football for all I care.
Those are the 2 biiges, the third and all the rest they have are all ok, and seem sort of objectivist to me. They have 90% of what I believe in, I just wish they would leave religion and personal choices out of the discussion. That would make it a great party to go with.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/
1. From viability in the event of premature birth and no last second abortion as a right of citizenship. Before that I agree with abortion. Afterwards it is not the Mothers right to murder.
2. 2. Ditto
3. Negative. It's a failed institution number one with a 60% failure rate or higher. No one's business as long as their is no child or spousal abuse etc.
So we all have our differences. Here's the answer. Each defines their sacred ground where they won't give a centimeter. Those that have a common center form not a party where no deviation is allowed but a coalition with emphasis on what is attainable. The rest will follow.
Oh yes and ignore the Devils Secular Congregation which is a polite way of saying if they support evil at any level they are themselves evil. So...Dumbos and Repos get behind me.
But somehow, politicians understand this kind of logic. The rest of us, not so much.
I also think that trucks should pay more, because they damage the roads more.
That said, assuming we can find a way to do this that protects people's privacy, I don't have a problem with the method. People who drive more pay more. Seems fair to me. What way do you think would be more fair?
No wonder they can't hook up the Southern Pacific line in the Louisiana Texas area or the west coast railroad which has two bus sections from Sacramento to LA unless you take the coast route at 24 hours extra travel time etc. etc. etc. Why build European style bullet trains when there's no infrastructure to carry the speed. Why improve bus service when the stations more often than not are in high crime ghetto areas. Why improve air travel when it's being used as tool of oppression?
For a VERY long time, I’ve advocated something like that plan as what MIGHT be the only equitable way to pay for infrastructure creation and maintenance, but I’ll bet that all of the states are missing a point or two…
Per Critical Thinking, what determines the need for highways, bridges, tunnels and their replacement and maintenance?
1) the number of vehicles using them.
2) the number of miles the vehicles travel.
3) the gross weight of the vehicles.
So a SMART ‘gas tax’ would include a flat “per vehicle” rate (to cover the basic ‘paperwork’ overhead and administration. Maybe $10-20 a year per car.
Next would be a Per Mile assessment, and the easiest way to do that is yearly, during the annual vehicle inspection.
And the per-mile assessment would be based on a sliding scale proportional to the WEIGHT of the vehicle.
There’s no reason for me to pay any rate on my 4-5000-per year Prius at 43 mpg that’s similar to the 15-ton gravel truck creating potholes with its every-day on-the-job pavement-pounding work.
Or for a motorcycle to subsidize a mobile home or interstate truck.
ALL of the taxes paid by commercial companies would be passed on to everyone who USES the services of those trucks, buses and whatevers. Seriously “fair,” if I can use that word at all.
Think about it. Per-Mile ALONE makes NO sense without a gross-vehicle-weight plan.
But, since most such ‘tax laws’ need only one thing in order to be passed… What they’re taxing must be MEASURABLE, and little more than that… we’ll definitely see a lot of this unthinking crap surface in the years ahead.
Critical Thinking is Dead.
Although a few laws like those might create something just as effective as Term Limit Legislation, which NO legislature will EVER pass…
Ah, the irony!
I don't buy gas and just as very very little amount of diesel.
I make my own electricity.
No House no property tax.
Vehicle licensing down to $150 year.
No newspaper, no tv reception, no tv, no wifi that I pay for.
About $10 a month for a cell phone.
This year I have a tax refund but not too big which is good. I didn't lose much buying power that way.
When i use the dock I pay $400 a month and get electricity, garbage, water, Divide by30 multiply by number of days. The rest of the time I go fishing, diving, or kayaking or......
Life is SOOOOOOOOO hard.
The big problem with road-use taxes is that the greens have sucked a major part of the take out of the highway trust fund (federally and in most states), usually to spend on things like public transport which promises to reduce highway congestion but doesn't. Then they let our roads fall apart, but nobody will vote to increase the fuel tax because it'll just get diverted and wasted again. Oregon, with its deliberate policy of never building or widening roads (because driving is "evil"), is probably the worst state in the Union for this problem.
Nearly all truckers (all but the local ones) already have to log their miles and stopping places on a daily basis, and get taxed by the mile (and apportioned among the states by miles driven). It's not that hard to do for them, because most of them are satellite-tracked by their dispatchers. But it would be expensive to expand that system to cover other road users.
There have been many discussions about private roads, but setting that aside, if we continue to have government roads -- and that certainly seems to be the current standard -- what is the appropriate way to pay for them?
One answer is toll roads, which works with long stretches of limited access roads, but doesn't work so well with the vast network of roads that we use. Do we register with a toll system on every corner?
We have traditionally used gas taxes which had the characteristic of being essentially a use tax. As a use tax, it's flawed, tractors don't use the roads very often but pay the gas tax. This was a big deal in Illinois in the city vs rural battle.
The new challenge is cars that use little or no gas. They do, however, generate the same amount of road wear and tear. If we pay for roads by a use fee shouldn't they pay the same as any other vehicle?
I would have the homeowners pay for their neighborhood streets, and make everything else toll. I'd standardize on one type of transponder (probably EZ-Pass, which is already used in about 15 states), avoiding any need for toll collectors.
Privatizing the system may be the only way to take the ability to do this away from greens (and from their scam and cartel known as urban planning).
Assuming the government keeps being building and maintaining the roads, they have to be paid for. I think it does make more sense to make it a targeted use tax that a general tax on everyone that pays for the road.
Unless you are going to make try to make the case that the 1% should be paying for the roads -- which I rather suspect is not something you are going to advocate!
I'd love a Consumer Reports chart for tunnels and highways showing the Per-Mile charges!
Talk about non-Transparency!
This is just another way of shoring up a system that gives to those that have no interest in contributing to their own support.
When I was in High School my dad told me that I wasn't a good person if I didn't learn Spanish, look what that has gotten us!!
1.5 cents a mile is the least of the problem here. This is complete and total invasion of constitutional privacy and control of the citizens.
Who stopped at what sex toys store and who went to the theater showing AS3? Anyone not agreeing with the monkeys "on the hill" just became a terrorist and they have the data to prove it!
If a hybrid car (maybe a better idea), then do you live close enough to a border to drive across once a month and fill up some gas cans? A hybrid would give you more flexibility, notably out of state. Really, the only thing you can do personally is 'not feed the beast'.
Jan
Some month or so later I discovered that NJ had NOT voted for the then-current President, but PA had! Go figure!
I wrote my NJ congressman about that and gee... in a month or so, SUDDENLY the NJ gasoline allocation went way up.
Really!
Such bullshit... all over the place! Nothing new.
Lt. Cmdr. Robby Jackson (played by Samuel L. Jackson): Attention to orders. I have a presentation to make. For service above and beyond the call of duty of a tourist, or even a Marine, we recognize Professor John Patrick Ryan (played by Harrison Ford), with the Order of the Purple Target.
[he hangs a medal around Jack's neck in the shape of a bulls-eye, with the words "SHOOT ME" on it]
Lt. Cmdr. Robby Jackson: And hope that he will duck next time, lest he become part of history, rather than a teacher of it.
This scene describes exactly how I feel about taxation. I am walking around with a target on myself.
*Note to self: Stay the hell out of Oregon.
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