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If you could do just one thing?

Posted by $ KSilver3 9 years, 8 months ago to Government
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So, fellow objectivists, we all agree we are heading in the wrong direction. Here's an interesting exercise. If you could enact one change right now to begin to turn the ship of state in the right direction, what would it be. I'm torn between reinstituting the gold standard for currency (and in doing so, eliminating the Fed) and the REINS act.


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  • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 8 months ago
    I would start be putting a layer of separation between the citizen and the Federal government with respect to taxes. The States themselves would pay a per capita to the national government...states are in a far better bargaining position than Joe Citizen. The states in turn could devise their own system for taxing their citizens. This would put the states in competition for citizens and businesses...the more efficient the system the lower the taxes. If Los Angeles wants a subway system, California could pay for it...or not. We wouldn't have the overreaching Federal government taxing coal miners in West Virgina to pay for it. This is simply one example...I'm sure we all know an entire litnany of fiscal abuses like this.
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    • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 8 months ago
      Actually the states are no longer in a good position to fight the government anymore. Just ask Arizona or Texas. Such rights got stripped away completely when senators got elected through popular vote.
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      • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 8 months ago
        Actually they are.

        If the particular state legislature would realize that they were going to lose citizens, both private and corporate, they might just also realize that THEIR lavish compensation would also be threatened. It's easy to go along when you have no skin in the game; it's something else entirely when you must risk YOUR hide at the point of attack!
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 8 months ago
          Michigan show any signs of change and they are losing people. My buddy abandoned his home and moved to Florida immediately his annual income improved by $15,000 a year. Who stays there. UAW and GMC protected by the government and the moochers.

          Arizona by the way is only 15% or so private land. But your comment on Senators elected by direct vote is dead right. First they are nothing more than Representatives At Large. When the attempts by States that had the recall failed to get rid of bad delegates it uncovered their other protector in the federal government. All politicians once elected to Washington DC become protected citizens of Washington DC. With their retirement benefits it's a life time job.l
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    • Posted by MikeGoodman59 9 years, 8 months ago
      I agree. I think, if possible, that states should nullify by executive (dis)order. Mandate that all fed taxes go through state capitals. Then send in funds for what you support, with the understanding that you will have all fed funds that would come back to you revoked. And if citizens don't send in to (in my case) Raleigh, NC then their state refund checks get forfeited.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 8 months ago
    I have said this before, but I think that before I go messing with the Constitution (which does need some messing with, but carefully, very carefully) I would try to enforce it. So my 'one thing' would be to enact an amendment that declared null and void any law, regulation, or act that had not been affirmatively ruled was 'Constitutional'. (This eliminates 90% of the laws of the land, including most of the EPA, gun regs, zoning, etc). All laws (regulations, dictates, etc) must be affirmatively judged as Constitutional before they are considered to be legal.

    Jan
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    • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 8 months ago
      Philosophically I agree with you, Jan. However, DOMA was tested and deemed Constitutional by the Supremes. The President and his minion Mr. Holder disagreed, so the law, for all intents and purposes, has been vacated.
      Another example: The Commerce Clause was tugged and stretched to cover the ACA (God knows how), the Supremes allowed it to stand as a tax, Mssrs Obama and Holder decreed that it is NOT a tax and ACA is the law of the land and will not be going away.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 8 months ago
    Simple.

    The greatest impact with the simplest change.

    Eliminate all taxes except for tariffs on imports and sales tax. Remove them all at both the state and federal level.

    Sales tax would be the same percentage for everyone regardless of income. NO other tax exists. No tax code at all, no deductions.

    Business simply collects the sales tax on all goods sold and sends it in to local state and federal and your done.

    Very little to no IRS. All investment and property taxes are gone. The economy would take off and growth would be very strong.

    Perhaps more importantly the amount taxed would be highly visible to everyone. If the federal government charged 35% sales tax and the state 15% you would buy an item for $100.00 and pay 150.00 for at the check stand. The visibility of the level of taxation would change everything else. People would demand it.

    In particular the ability to manipulate the useless idiots into voting for what the people in favor of giveaway programs would be hard pressed to convince those people that an increase in the sales tax was required.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 8 months ago
    Institute a flat tax. A lot of the power and money in Washington is there to influence the tax code. Take that away and a lot of lobbyists are out of work. If the Government needs (wants) more money I would make it so they needed a two thirds majority in both the House and the Senate to increase the flat percentage.
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    • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 8 months ago
      With the 2/3 requirement I would consider it. Without it all that would happen would the congress would raise taxes any time they wanted to and by any amount.
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      • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 8 months ago
        Yes, and as I regularly interject, that's the danger in a Balanced Budget Amendment. Without the extra constraints, all a BBA means is that taxes will be raised to fund any and all programs the moochers desire!

        You got it!
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 8 months ago
          People are less likely to tolerate the increased spending if they had to pay for it immediately.
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          • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 8 months ago
            Of course! But my reference was to a BBA at state or federal levels, in the event that any new kind of tax policy were to replace the current processes.

            The inclusion of a BBA without those limiting processes is a fiction in the sense that it can't and won't do anything to 'limit spending,' per se.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 8 months ago
      "Institute a flat tax. A lot of the power and money in Washington is there to influence the tax code. "
      The hard part about taxes is working out what's income. How fast can I depreciate a piece of equipment? If I'm buying something ,adding value, and selling it, do I record my costs FIFO or by some averaging formula? Once I find cost, Profit = Revenue - Costs. Multipying by a marginal rate is trivially easy. That's not what makes taxes complicated.

      I agree taxes are needless complicated and a gravy train for accountants and attorneys, just not b/c of difficulty calculated tax owed using marginal rates.
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      • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 8 months ago
        Put in the flat tax restrained as posted above and eliminate all deductions from income. Just a straight flat tax., no write offs for anything.
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 8 months ago
          Even if we eliminated deductions, working out a business's income is still complicated. Maybe they could make it distirubtions pluse W-2 payments you receive-- no tax on retained earnings. In any case, none of this is related to marginal rates. You could do all of this with progressive marginal rates, or you could do a single flat rate and not eliminate deductions. They're not linked.
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  • Posted by livefree-NH 9 years, 8 months ago
    My single thing would be to have a committee formed, headed by Dr. Paul, whose task is to repeal laws at the Federal level. The committee would be disbanded when they have repealed 50% of the laws on the books. (Until such disbandment, all legislators and elected executive branch people would have their paychecks suspended, to encourage their support of this project.)
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  • Posted by KDanagger 9 years, 8 months ago
    The OP was on the right track. Priority #1 is to End the FED. Nothing else matters if you don't do that first. So long as the banking cartel has the power to create money out of nothing, they can pay off or bribe almost any politician and easily circumvent any change that doesn't suit their agenda. Their power to create money out of nothing is a clever way to use our own economic energy against us. The harder we work, the more powerful they become.

    This has to stop. The FED is the ultimate looter.

    Going back on the gold standard isn't really the solution. All we really need is an interest free currency that serves as an honest unit of account that can't be created willy-nilly by some monopoly private entity. Competition in currencies must be made legal. Legal tender laws absolutely must be repealed.

    When the power of the banking cartel is taken away, we will be able to regain control of our government and make it truly serve our best interests.

    Until we accomplish that, all of our other efforts are the equivalent of peeing into a fan.

    "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks."
    -Lord Acton

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  • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years, 8 months ago
    Sorry, there is NO "one thing" which can possibly even Begin to fix this (or any) GOVERNment of Force.
    Every darn day we read about all the things wrong and share thoughts about "fixing" them, but while we're failing to tilt one windmill the Rulers are building four more.

    The only solution possible is dissolving this government and seizing responsibility for ourselves.

    Perhaps not so appealing to some, but the hard fact is that the Global Great Collapse is before us, which will put this (and probably all) governments out of business. At that point the whole planet could become "Galt's Gulch", and the likely-few survivors will take it from there...or not....! What else can do that?

    The majority, those fools amidst us, surely cannot. I opt NOT to be Ruled, or to rule others!
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    • Posted by tasine 9 years, 8 months ago
      I agree. There ARE NO SOLUTIONS as long as politicians are in charge. For crying out loud, politicians ARE THE PROBLEM. Now that greed of politicians and some of the population have learned that the government can provide them with a living, NOTHING WILL BE DONE BY THEM TO SOLVE ANY PROBLEM. I have questioned many times on other forums why we continue to faithfully pay our income taxes, and the responses are: because we don't want to land in jail and have our possessions confiscated. I agree with that premise, but that merely paints the true picture. Our forefathers put their lives on the line to have a better life than one under tyranny. WE, today's Americans, are too chicken to risk jail. Policies, laws, regulations, ARE NOT THE ANSWER because they will be enacted by the very causes of our problems. The answer is rebellion, plain and simple. I don't favor rebellion, and I hate to even think the word, but honestly I FULLY BELIEVE IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO PREVENT ABSOLUTE TYRANNY IN THE USA.........because our elected officials have already shown their colors and those colors are love of power and love of riches which they will not yield under ANY circumstanaces.
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      • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years, 8 months ago
        Thank you for stepping up to the plate!

        I've said this often but will repeat again, my friend. "Greed" is an inappropriate slam, because it has it's limits. The dictionary definition for "Greed" is "excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions." In short, that is "desire". Folks will have their own opinion of what might be "excessive or rapacious" but so far as I know, there's nothing illegal about greed. However, when acting upon one's greed becomes theft, extortion, bribery or corruption, then one has a problem both moral and legal . Those wrongs are true of at least some politicians, right? That politicians supposedly are representing the People is a fallacy indeed. The real problem is with governments of force, which is ALL governments! GOVERNments can and do use Force, while we lowly slaves will be prosecuted for those crimes. This makes governments-all criminal by definition, and surely that makes most politicians criminal as well.

        I submit that there be not a lone "citizen" who has specifically consented to be GOVERNed, which makes that a major breach of every part of contract common law. Just because some of our ancestors over 200 years ago wrote their words of tyranny on paper does not make any of that binding upon their children, does it? Any contract exists only by the agreement of two or more parties!

        I also have much to say about taxes. I've not filed a 1040 in about 25 years now, without repercussion in any way. We know others who are ditto. Point -- "There is no Law!". Not filing is NOT the same as committing fraud by filing a false 1040 -- yes for that you can expect to be prosecuted.. Having done considerable research on the matter and published many findings, here are some: http://no-ruler.net/?s=tax+resistance.

        Finally, it should be obvious that the only way to prevent absolute tyranny is to NEVER opt to be GOVERNed. That the horde of humans have allowed themselves to be Ruled by the motley Few who become Rulers from the beginnings of history is a paradox indeed.



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        • Posted by tasine 9 years, 8 months ago
          I know that I have never, either via words spoken or written, consented to being governed, nor would I deliberately do so. The best part of being governed is merely the pretense that it is O.K. as long as we call ourselves "free". The worst part of being governed will be when total and craven and cruel tyranny sets in - and it has a good start already. The only ones who stand a chance of not being touched by the cruel tyranny that IS ON ITS WAY are those who are the tyrants. How can so many not realize this? I think it is because to recognize it for what it is requires making some very difficult decisions, decisions we don't have the guts to make. What say everyone?
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 8 months ago
      While I would agree with much of what you say, my question was designed as a thought process as to a starting point. Any small change, or giant revolution, must begin somewhere. Personally, I would love to see a complete collapse of the system of government we are currently dealing with, however, I really don't see enough people willing to go that direction for it to be a realistic option at this point. Instead of crying out for the end result, perhaps you should look to the actual steps that would get us there.
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      • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years, 8 months ago
        Thank you for making some sense. I'll ask you once again to carefully re-read my comment. I'm saying that we are heading into the Inevitable Global Great Collapse. Can that be merely somewhere in the distant future?

        Therefore, while there are many "starting points" with merit listed here, how many "fixes" do we get our Rulers to institute before this planet is hit with that Inevitable Great Collapse? We are seeing "NONE" -- WE have NO role in the so-called Balance of Powers! I am reminded of a line within the song "Old Man River" -- they're "Out A'makin' More" ... every day, and 98% of the 2012 voters fell for that! So much for brainwashing negating rationality!

        History is replete with the failures of Rulers and their governments, empires, kingdoms... Always those had, and used, Force against their Subject/Slaves... those captives whom they so kindly call "Citizens" who shall be "Patriots"... right or wrong matters not. The bottom line is that most humans are Ruled by whom? Other humans who somehow are deemed to be superior elites.

        Thus I say "Bring On the Collapse", which will in a way be the Galt's Gulch fantasize over. Frankly, I believe that this is your ONE solution! The question will then be, "Will the survivors have the rationale and the courage to never again opt to be GOVERNed!"
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 8 months ago
    I would require that all income taxes be paid by check, e-check, or cash each month.
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    • Posted by tasine 9 years, 8 months ago
      LOL! I would say that no taxpayer should file an IRS form. If no one did, would the governnent throw all of us in jail? It may confiscate everything we own. So then we could be a massive squatter community throughout the entire country.

      Look at it another way. If they DID throw us in jail, for a change all of us would benefit by seeing a worthwhile use of OUR tax dollars. We would be given free room and board, free meals, free medical care , free clothing, and virtually no real responsibilities. It would be the FIRST time I would see any good come of the dollars I've wasted by sending them to the federal government.
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    • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 8 months ago
      Then people would see frequently how much is being taken from them.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 8 months ago
        "Then people would see frequently how much is being taken from them."
        I think people seeing reality would cause them to demand spending cuts.
        I would be really good if every time they pass a law or executive order responding militarily to something in Syria, increasing prison terms, providing a new drug benefit to the elderly, help refugees/immigrants coming to America, the very next week you would start paying the tax. Everything else in life we think if we want to do it and then how much is it going to cost me. If an individual goes mindlessly swiping a credit card at everything that sounds nice, he ends up in the financial situation of the US gov't.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 8 months ago
    Get rid of the DEA completely. Secondly it would be removing the draconian powers of collection of the IRS. Thirdly, Forcing the US government to live within its means. That means NO deficits.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 9 years, 8 months ago
    Make each bill fund only the one topic it was introduced to cover, absolutely no pork added. No other funding at all within a bill. It would give legislators no room to pass our tax money on to cronies and spouses.Shine the light of transparency on spending before it happens.
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  • Posted by saucerdesigner 9 years, 8 months ago
    expose the perpetrators of the attacks of 9/11 so that every U.S. citizen had no choice but to admit they were conned; that it was not OBL and 19 hijackers with box cutters who were behind the event.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 8 months ago
    Make every new law include a clear, measurable intended result as part of the law, and if not achieved, it become nullified as measured objectively (perhaps judicial branch). Include time limit provision for present laws to provide a suitable control for them. If they are good, they will be re-enacted.

    This should get rid of old garbage from the book, ensure that laws do what they say they will and are tested according to the proven scientific method. It will also give Government something real to do rather than argue about what they "think" the right thing is.
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  • Posted by MikeGoodman59 9 years, 8 months ago
    I'd go with FAIR TAX ACT. Lets people pay taxes on what they want to buy and is not at all as regressive as our letting the IRS pick winners and losers or intimidate the citizenry. *** Look, I buy physical silver, no gold yet, soon. I don't think the gold standard is necessarily valid. I've done some rudimentary research to back that up. Not an expert. http://www.moneycrashers.com/fair-tax-ac...
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  • Posted by handyman 9 years, 8 months ago
    I would begin a process to start decoupling governments (federal, state and local, in that order) from education. One step, for example, might be to allow payers of property taxes (that portion allocated to education) to designate the recipient (student or school) to receive those funds. If the taxpayer does nothing, the tax funds continue as before by default. This, of course, would not produce constructive results in the near term, but over time should lead to creative and relevant educational options.
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  • Posted by GaryL 9 years, 8 months ago
    Bring back the draft or do as Israel does and make every Mind filled with Mush serve this country and gain the understanding that freedom is not free!
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    • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 8 months ago
      A draft is just more statism, though, right? I understand what your thoughts probably are. But, a draft would allow 1000 Afghanistan boondoggles. No offense.
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  • Posted by Ranter 9 years, 8 months ago
    Gold standard! It would not exactly eliminate the fed, because there would still need to be a national clearinghouse for bank-to-bank transactions and overnight funds, but it would eliminate the ability of the government (through the Fed) to manipulate the economy for political gain. One caveat, however: the government would have to have enough gold to back the dollar, and I am virtually certain that it does not have that much gold at present.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 8 months ago
      The government does have enough gold for the amount of currency that should be in the economy. The problem is that if the amount of currency was limited, our wonderful government couldn't inflate their way into all their new spending problems.
      Honest question here (not a disagreement)- how did our economy handle currency exchanges before the first national bank?
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      • Posted by Ranter 9 years, 8 months ago
        They made physical transfers of money. My great-grandfather had a stagecoach line that ran between Los Angeles and San Antonio, and on every trip the stage carried chests of gold being transferred from one bank to another.
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  • Posted by eddieh 9 years, 8 months ago
    Pass two amendments,
    1. Term limits on all members of congress.

    2. All spending bills must be accompanied with a method to fund it and must be a stand alone bill
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    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 8 months ago
      Spot on! Actually, how about All Bills must address One Issue and One Issue Only? No Omnibus garbage-truck collection of issues where one or two key issues make or break the deal. Every issue must be evaluated and voted on, but on its own merits/

      Oh, and please include sunset features AND concrete 'measurables' to determine if the Bill has, in fact resulted in the achievement of its intended goals. No progress, let alone success milestones in year 1, 2, 5, 10, whatever... and the bill expires, the program dies and the agency is shut down.
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      • Posted by $ 9 years, 8 months ago
        I like the concept of measurable in bills, but am curious how you would handle who gets to decide whether it has attained results?
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        • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 8 months ago
          Excellent Question, and Thank You!
          I apologize for my combination of engineering degree, OCD and some ADD...

          How's this for a starter, in semi-legalese... :

          "No bill shall be written to achieve any goal without the Goal(s) being explicitly described in measurable terms and corresponding and appropriate milestones specified to measure the success achieved (versus time, for example) towards reaching the goal(s).

          Methodology shall be established and specified Within The Text of The Authorizing Legislation as to who will 'do the measuring' and how the measurements against milestones' specifications will be made And Reported back to the General Public and the enabling Legislative Body."

          I'm a designer, not an implementer. I've got a huge and long history of observing issues and identifying potential root causes and possible
          'fixes,' but I'm terrible at implementing cures.

          That was a Transparency Personal Disclosure. You don't get a lot of them, do you... even around here...?
          :)
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          • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 8 months ago
            my first degree was in machine design. . hi, brother! -- j

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            • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 8 months ago
              My EE degree is so old it's got rust on it. My first 14 years in industry were in discrete power transistor applications and marketing... bipolars and MOS-FETs. Later I discovered that Marketing is where the money is, though the management isn't all that much better and intuitive or Critical Thinking types of problem solving is more often punished than rewarded.

              Retired now and loving it, since '02.
              Engineers are cooler than most folks know...
              :)
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              • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 8 months ago
                I retired just as BHO was winning the election, and
                promptly went on vacation to Alaska, wearing my
                Palin button. . they liked it up there. -- j

                p.s. retirement IS all it's made out to be, if you
                don't give in -- became a ham, traded Harleys,
                editing books, all kinds of fun!

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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 8 months ago
                I used to use a lot of power electronics in the late 90s- IGBTs and SCRs (aka Thyristors). I sort of miss it. When things failed, it was often spectacularly.
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                • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 8 months ago
                  No kidding! Two guys were working on a power inverter in our lab one day and the full bridge they'd put across the incoming AC line failed. Apparently, it failed faster than any circuit breaker in the facility and it sounded like a big bore gun going off.

                  We ran to the lab to make sure they were ok (they were.. the explosion was contained under the chassis they were working on) but they couldn't hear anything we said to them for something like a half hour! They, like me, but for other reasons, probably are wearing hearing aids today.

                  :)
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 8 months ago
                    It's odd how they are dazed for a few seconds. I guess that's why flash-bangs work.

                    20 years ago I touched a grounded iron to a trace floating at 220VAC. It was "ground" on the board, and we tend to think of anything labelled "ground" as this mythical net of 0 V with respect to the universe. It went BANG, burnt some traces, and suddenly three people were standing by me saying "are you okay?" I must have lost a few seconds. Now I never take an iron to a powered board now, and I don't use the word "ground" except to mean a current path where current flows in a fault condition. Otherwise is it's power supply return, or signal return.
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                    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 8 months ago
                      Several of us also picked up nasty shocks when neighboring benches' 'grounds' might not have been at the same potential... or even on the same phases or whatever. Ah, those were fun times...
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