Obamacare

Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 12 years, 3 months ago to Government
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  • Posted by JeanPaulZodeaux 12 years, 3 months ago
    The SCOTUS ruling on The Affordable Health Care Act was somewhat of a ruse, and while many were stumped by Roberts opinion, and some who argue that he made the decision he did to protect his legacy and the integrity of the Court, the ruling left the door wide open for effective challenges later, and prevented an overwhelming onslaught of suits had he upheld it on the grounds that Commerce Clause granted the federal government the authority to mandate purchasing insurance policies.

    The suit brought against The Affordable Health Care Act was an Ex-Ante argument (Policy). Thus the ruling was Ex-Ante and can only make the prediction that no rights are trampled upon and no harm caused by the individual mandate. This leaves the door wide open for Ex-Post suits to go forward once the mandate actually goes into effect. However, by determining it was a tax, Roberts has managed to limit the amount of suits that would have standing. The issue is no longer commerce, it is a tax issue.

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    • Posted by JeanPaulZodeaux 12 years, 3 months ago
      This leaves it up to individuals affected by the mandate to assert their rights. By delegating the enforcement of the mandate to the IRS, once again we have a situation where private individuals will be required to request proof of insurance, and probably required to request a tax identification number (Social Security Number) in the same way employers are required to request a signature of a Form W4 and required to request a tax identification number. This request provision, for employers, has been translated into the deputizing of employers to assess employees tax liability, and most employers will either refuse employment or refuse to pay an employee until they've acquiesced to the improper demand a signature on a W4 and SS# be supplied. Because it is merely a request provision, and because the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) is quite clear in what an employer must do in the event an employee declines to sign a W4 and supply a SS#, (there is no requirement to deny employment or payment), individuals being extorted by employers have always had legal standing to sue, even prosecute an employer for this mistake of fact, misinterpretation of law, and fraud. If doctors and health administrators begin acting in the same way, and since many are employers long trained to extort people, and refuse health care to an individual with no proof of insurance, this is a crime, regardless of what the Affordable Health Care Act states, and regardless of what the SCOTUS ruled.

      It will be the Ex-Post arguments that will be Obamacare's undoing.
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      • Posted by 12 years, 3 months ago
        JeanPaulZodeaux,
        A sad state of affairs when a majority of people suffer a tyranny by a minority with no recourse but to elect a less than desirable candidate over an even less desirable one in hope of redress. The alternative is to have the medical, insurance, federal and states agencies, not to mention many employers and citizens jumping through hoops like trained dogs (some salivating like Pavlov’s dog trained to desire handouts) in the mean time waiting for a successful Ex-Post court decision once violations have occurred…
        Regards,
        O.A.
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          Posted by JGISSD 12 years, 3 months ago
          "A sad state of affairs when a majority of people suffer a tyranny by a minority with no recourse but to elect a less than desirable candidate over an even less desirable one in hope of redress."

          When I read that, my first thought was Mitt Romney and the far Right of America.

          The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act demands accountability from insurers and medical providers. That's hardly tyranny and it's hardly undesirable. The world you seek is one in which one man is free to abuse another as much as he wants, as long as he's seeking his own best interests. That goal suits a nation like Somalia far better than a free nation like America.
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      Posted by JGISSD 12 years, 3 months ago
      There is no tax as part of the Affordable Care Act. Roberts expressly used the word "excise tax" in his ruling, as a point of comparison. His point was that this is not a blanket tax levied by government against society, this is a financial penalty levied against those who refuse to play within the rules and bring harm upon others through increased medical costs when they use their local emergency room as their line of first defense, and then don't pay their bills.

      The only reason the IRS is involved is that a JOINT decision was made that they had the collection mechanism in place, and could save the taxpayers billions of dollars over expanding government and creating a new agency.

      Your ability to bend the truth to fit your world view is utterly astounding.
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