Could this be our Gulch?
Pitcairn Island was made famous by the novel "Mutiny on the Bounty." Imagine the possibilities. Britain might be happy to grant it independence. Imagine a few nuclear reactors. A small ship yard and a steel mill. Some high rise living and it could work. We could truly hide in plain sight. How would you develope the island?
Outer space is the place.
What country do you live in?
http://www.pitcairn.pn/Repopulation%20Pl...
http://www.immigration.pn/FAQ.php
Utility Mean expenditure per annum
Electricity $2539.25
Telecom $1215.58
Store (food,beverages, hardware) $4500.00
Medical supplies $275.24
Freight $933.93
Total $9464.00
What is the average income on Pitcairn?
It is difficult to estimate the average total income as there is no taxation and thus official records of private incomes. The average Government income is NZ$6000 per annum.
On average how much does it cost to build a house on Pitcairn?
Over the past 7 years some modern homes have been built by settlers. A fair estimate including importing all building materials and furnishings, and paying local contractors to build a complete home of around 160 square metres in size, to be approximately NZ$150,000.
How much money do I need to have to move to Pitcairn?
As per the immigration policy anyone wishing to settle on Pitcairn must have evidence of savings or assets of at least NZ$30,000.
Is there a charge for settlement applications?
Yes. The current fee is NZ$500.
Unless Atlantis has only a very small population and has extremely limited import and export of goods then a good method of transportation of goods is a necessity.
Until Atlantis has complete modern medical facilities there will be a need for fast transportation to and from Atlantis of patients and/or medical specialists and equipment.
I would think most of the work would have to be international and virtual online types of work. It could not be work that would even require any sort of even semi regular travel to client sites as I don't even think there is air service here. If you wanted to start air service you would need a plane with a range of at least 1500-2000 miles to make a trip safely from even Tahiti.
I am wondering how deep the water is off of the island and if it would be suitable for ocean thermal energy development.
Still we would be creative. Scrap steel could be brought in and recycled. Machine tools imported. The Purpose of this thread is for the free flow of ideas.
I think the big impediment to any type of traditional industry on this island is that it is incredibly far from anything. I think the distances are frankly almost unimaginable.
Second, would not anyone moving there still be a loyal subject of Her Majesty? I realize you hope to negotiate a grant of formal independence. But can you be sure HMGov would grant it, knowing the implications?
Nuclear reactor? Well, maybe a Pebble Bed Modular Reactor. It would have the footprint of what they would call in Britain a football field, and what we would call a soccer field. And it would easily provide all the power we would need. For forty years. During which time we would hope the owner of the plant would embark on a crash program to launch a solar-battery satellite into GEO so we could have power for all time from a simple receiving station.
High-rise living? I assume you mean a design copying the Arcology principles of Paolo Soleri. That kind of development presents the danger of locking in particular manufacturing modes that might prove difficult to replace. Soleri never once talked of any kind of modular architectural principle, by which, once a particular part of a building becomes obsolete, you can build another module to replace it, and work around it in the meantime.
A small shipyard? Make sure it can accommodate a ship of war. Flying the Dollar Roger. With a latter-day Viking in command. You know whom I mean.
Sketchy at best, at least from a legal standpoint.
The OP is thinking, if enough of us move there, we can somehow take control just by our vote. Like Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh and his followers. Rajneesh evacuated the bridges of Houston, Texas, under which those people were living (I was there and I saw it), and bused them all to Antelope, Oregon. Which they all registered to vote in, and renamed the town Rajneeshpuram. But eventually the IRS came knocking on his door, and he skedaddled. His followers scattered. And the regular Antelopers reclaimed their town, and its name, and scrubbed themselves and their town off.
I don't want to see this group follow that course.
Personally, relocation of those guys should be to the bottom of the ocean.
(1) Children under the age of 16, even from the cruise ships, who wish to visit the island, must obtain the prior entry clearance.
And if that's not bad enough...
(2) The UK's Foreign and Commonwealth Office does not currently allow their staff based on Pitcairn to be accompanied by their children.
Something to consider when relocating there. The natives are, of course, natives, VERY unlikely that HM's government would allow discriminatory action against them (regardless of how deserving they are of such treatment).
I find it funny - when you're a few thousand miles from anyone, you live on a small island, the entire notion of "house arrest" (especially when one of the arrestees is the former mayor) is somewhat laughable - it's far more isolated than even the original Australian Settlers and convicts experienced, and that in a very small and compressed space.
The OP proposes to settle the land with those fifty people on it. If we do, we have to decide now what we're going to do about them.
They are British.
Certainly Britain does not try to control what "Commonwealth" countries do very closely, or Pakistan wouldn't still be a member.
Every solution I can think of for a small island would work better for a floating seastead city.
Her Majesty?? So what, they obviously pay it no mind now.
Thorium Reactor.
I think the question is, what do they have brought in, and why can't they produce it right there? Is the Island not capable of growing all it's own food? Lumber?
Does it have adequate fresh water?
what is the current cost of living?
what will they give us to move there? land, land and house? what exactly do we have to put up?
I'm actually very interested.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_flu...
Remember: thorium, unlike uranium, has no known fissile isotope. How do you get it started?
And how do you import these radioactive materials?
The main idea of the Gulch is a community in isolation. When Dagny crashed into it, it was already self-sufficient, except for a few supplies for which Midas Mulligan had a "pipeline" from the outside. Let's not kid ourselves. That pipeline was Ragnar Danneskjöld. It was some of his prize cargoes that he couldn't necessarily sell in Europe. Ragnar explained to Hank Rearden he had "customers" in the USA territory. Correction: one customer. Midas Mulligan.
Now unless you're thinking we're going to hijack some thorium shipments intended for the People's State of Whatever, I recommend finding a different technique for generating electric power.
Let's be realistic. that level of world isolation isn't possible.
We can acquire outside resources and still be separated form the world.
Perhaps we could look at tidal force for power generation.
There are options, however, initially, you need a reliable power source while developing others. right now, the island has a diesel generator that runs for about 12 hours a day in two shifts. Their windmill ran into to cost overrun and was never completed HOW, can you have that level of incompetence or corruption on an island of 50 people, and half are retired. :-)
The best defense of the classical Gulch in AS was isolation. The secondary defense was inaccessibility.
If that happens, no one is getting to us anyway. We'd be the last place they'd come looking for assets.
I'm just assuming, get away from all this, let them have their parasites.
I know what you're thinking. For he also said, "We started with no time limit in view. We did not know how long the collapse would take. We knew only this was how we wanted to live."
That's all very well. I'm just saying, the looters can't stand it if anyone gets away from them. That sort of thing makes other people think, "Yeah....why don't I just...?"
And that went triple when, after Hank Rearden finally defected, John Galt spoke for three hours on the radio, and ended by telling everybody to bug out at once!
I'm wondering if the island has an aquifer. It might but I doubt it given its size. For example, the Virgin Islands have small aquifers in limited areas but they are not very usable. If rainfall is enough then rainfall harvesting could supply enough water for normal household purposes. This is currently done in the USVI.
Things would need to be built sustainably. I'm not trying to press any objectivist buttons with environmentalist radical nonsense but I think reason dictates in this case the maximum use of all resources, the minimization and reuse of all waste to the extent possible, etc.
I guess I'm staying where Huckleberry Finn and Tom Sawyer hang out. "Today's Tom Sawyer he gets high on you and the space he invades gets by on you..."
Guess I'll stick with Lanai.
Have some fun!
A few people know it's there. The looters don't care, but they will.
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