The Producer
I would like to know more about the people here. What have you done and what do you plan to do. Producer isn't a light title to carry.
Myself I live in a po-dunk little town that is trying to make it with the major metropolitan areas. They believe youth will pave the way, as far as I can tell our "youth" haven't done a damn thing. They are the people that sit in the meetings with the great ideas and do nothing about it.
I want to create events, they probably won't put us on the map but they will be events. No donating for a cause but people going out spending their hard earned evening for a memorable evening.
Myself I live in a po-dunk little town that is trying to make it with the major metropolitan areas. They believe youth will pave the way, as far as I can tell our "youth" haven't done a damn thing. They are the people that sit in the meetings with the great ideas and do nothing about it.
I want to create events, they probably won't put us on the map but they will be events. No donating for a cause but people going out spending their hard earned evening for a memorable evening.
And of course the portion in taxes that you agreed to pay by virtue of accepting the business license.
Wishing wealth and prosperity to you, CM!!
How ya doin' over there?
It's registered under my birth name. good luck with that.
There aren't that many of us out there. It shouldn't be that difficult to put in a day or so and figure it out. Do the work, just as Rand advise you. That is unless you are a hypocrite.
Do the work. It's the moral thing to do.
One, paraphrased from the novel A Storm of Swords - "You know nothing, Jgis Sd"...
Second, from one of my former employees (and one of the best darn crew chiefs I've ever had working for me) ... "The s*** he pulls and waddles around in, it must suck to be him."
He is right, tho... no 160:1. Hopefully more like 16,000:1. ;)
In my spare time I teach Catechism (2nd grade), teach sacrament preparation for reconciliation and Eucharist, sing in the church choir, and sing in a seperate Gregorian Chant Schola.
It is dangerous to try to classify ourselves based on a scale of the characters of the book, as they are romanticized and don't reflect reality 1 for 1. Essentially, they are an unrealistic standard to live up to and it will only cause psychological pain to try to.
~John Galt~
" Essentially, they are an unrealistic standard to live up to and it will only cause psychological pain to try to."
What is an unrealistic standard to live up to?
Fictional characters necessarily exist in a world that is distinct and separate from reality and are not complete people, especially in a style such as romantic realism.
I like teenagers. Even my own kids. My wife struggles with them then, I struggle with them when they are small, until about 4-6 somewhere in there where you can start to have some reasoned discussions with your kids.
I do it for several reasons
* I enjoy it.
* I do think the youth are where we will have to go to help turn things around. It wont happen in a few years, it will take decades to do it right, just as it has taken decades to move us away from being a free people.
* If I can influence one youth to learn about self preparedness and self reliance its one person who will be better off.
I have a few stories around this most involve camping with scouts or boys from my church. Some good experiences.
I think the key is to become active with people around you. A board like this is great for chat, but if you really want to make a difference go out and practice your philosophy with and around others. If for you that is an event that you organize in your town, do it.
Kudos for the coolest thread title on the board.
I started out wanting to do fundraisers for non-profits, the thing is any event in my town is a fundraiser. Besides the few concerts, or plays that trickle through our events center, their isn't anything unique to go out and spend money on without being guilted into buying crap auction items etc.
Events? Any kind. Preferably not weddings, brides are the least rational people on the planet. The idea that weddings are parties and not obligations is lost amongst people anymore as I found when I helped my friend plan hers.
I am full of ideas, I just have to consistently put the backpedal on, I am really good at extending me further then my fiscal abilities. It is a slow progress but I am hoping one day to be successful in event planning, since saying you want to do that in my town is pretty much a joke.
How about you Terry?
Casper WY no stalking terry :)
Stop back pedaling.
As I stated above, if you have a personal issue with me, as I can think of that as the only reason for the continued misunderstanding of my simple statements accompanied by vitriolic responses (other than just plain ignorance), then please contact me personally. Otherwise, the conversation ends here.
Thank you.
There is nothing wrong with not knowing what you are doing. There is a great deal wrong with making it up as you go along because you're too proud to ask for help from those who understand how things work in film production.
Such a shame, all that money thrown away to satisfy ego. Judging from the trailer, the film's audience will be limited to members of the cult of Rand, just like part 1.
And then we'll hear howls and accusations against the "leftists media" from the faithful who are incapable of accepting that the message simply doesn't have that broad of appeal, and that the film wasn't made to basic professional standards.
I have stayed 100% on topic, in case you haven't noticed.
No, you're not on topic at all.
I didn't purchase anything, not will I ever from these "producers". I saw the film for free since I work in the industry, and I laughed throughout much of it at its failings to live up to "B" list standards.
So now creating a website is reason for respect? Congrats to 13 year old metal head geeks everywhere. lol
The amazing thing to me is that these producers are talking you all for a ride. This is a money making proposition to them, nothing more. Do you reckon the profits they make from Randites seeing this film a dozen times each are going to support Rand's ideals, or do you reckon they are going to pay for their 3rd vacation homes?
Unlike other legitimate films that pays its workers, this one counts on Rand cult members to do its work for it for free, and then still expects them to pay full price to see the film. The items available for sale on the film's website are off-the-scale overpriced, yet Randites continue to buy them.
Wake up people. You are being used as pawns to enrich other people, all while believing you are supporting a philosophy that says you are enabling yourselves. lol.
The movie would, of course, be attractive to followers of Ayn Rand's writings... just as the many manifestations of Dune would be to admirers of Frank Herbert's writing, or those making kazillions on Gene Roddenberry's work.
I hope the people running this website, and as such making the movie, make a BOATLOAD of money on both. They took a huge risk putting her work on celluloid, and whether you think the movie rocks or is a waste of film, I admire what they're doing.
Who I feel sorry for are those who disparage a group for having the guts to have a vision and see it through. Whether it makes it or not, they have done something that few would have the cajones to do - follow a vision. Sure beats talking smack about someone following a vision.
Oh, one more thing... How do you feel about other artists using kickstarter to fund their art? Or starting a business that may not be Microsoft in its first week of existence, out of a garage? Ya know... not all success stories have to be all polished chrome highrise office buildings... at least to start.
The producers for this film are being paid handsomely for their efforts regardless of how big of a turkey or how poorly made this project ends up being. To be perfectly honest, even the earliest discussions when this project started to gear up wasn't about making a kick-ass high quality film, it was about doing the best they could within the "limitations." What exactly ARE those limitations? This film had more money to work with than 99.9% of all films made in America.
and it's still nothing more than a piece of poorly made propaganda designed to prey on the faithful.
You're going to need to get a grip and stick with what you know as fact or we're going to have to ban you... again. And, regardless of what you might think, we don't want to ban you. We know how much you enjoy coming in here and doing your thing so... just take a breath kiddo. Relax. Everyone here would actually welcome some serious well thought out debate so, try heading to higher ground and sticking to the issues.
Ad hominem and patently false statements are only going to lead to us shutting the door on you... again... for like the fifth time already.
It's not like you keep sneaking in Kerry. We keep letting you in. We're just hoping that you'll eventually want to actually debate something.
It's easy to win the argument when the rules are all bent in your favor. It's easy to win the economic game when the rules are all bent in your favor.
1) The vast majority of the money invested in the making and marketing of this film is coming from outside investors, reducing the risk of the producers to a small fraction of what other film makers experience. If the film tanks, you still got paid a weekly salary to make the film, just as everyone else working on the film did. What you didn't get is your "producer" cut, the percentage of the profits that you don't intend to share with the rest of the film makers, unless contracts require it. Typical American-Capitalist stuff
2) Even using the most creative math in the world, part 1 will never come close to realizing a profit on the costs of making and selling the film. You need part 2 to do exceptionally well to hope to save the ship at all.
3) The budget for part 2, including marketing and distribution will triple the amount spent of part 1. These figures have been announced in the media via formal press releases. These aren't my claims, they are yours.
4) Review the media coverage leading up to an and including the announcement for this film, and the common thread in that the priority for the film was to get it released in time to have an impact on the election, Every other consideration was secondary. Nowhere in any of tour press releases is it acknowledged that there was a 9 month dead period between the finishing of part 1 and the announcement of part 2. That delay eventually necessitated scrambling and compromises. There is nobody to blame for that waste of time but yourselves. Using the excuse that part 2 is not an "A" level film because production was rushed, is rubbish.
5) 99% of all films made in America have a budgets in the $10 million range, including recent Oscars nominees and winners. Your announced budget exceeds that total by a large amount, and your marketing and distribution budgets for part 2 are on par with many studio films.
6) This film is being sold to a cult. Nearly all of the income for the film will come from the cult, not from the general public. Everything this project has done to date to develop interest in the project has been to market to that cult, not to the general public. Perhaps that will change somewhat as release of the film nears, but I think it's fair to assume that the bulk of the marketing will always be aimed at those friendly to Rand's philosophy. Rand is nowhere near as popular or as influential as the producers of the film have stated, and you aren't going to win many converts with this film. You know that, and you're going to avoid wasting money on mainstream advertising that won't attract enough customers to warrant the expense.
Your turn. I was quite specific in my comments. I would appreciate if you do the same. What of what I've said has even the slightest tinge of falseness?
It has been widely reported that the first film made its money back on home media says.
It is impossible to have a cult in Objectivism, and in reality the people who would be considered the "hardcore" cult members hate the movies and disparage them worse than you could ever dream of.
Furthermore, the costs for subsequent advertising betind the initial release are a separate item, and while those costs remain constant, they show diminishing returns over time.
Anyone who understands the first thing about film financing and marketing know that this film stands little chance of making back it's total investment , even if part 2 does exceptionally well.
Once again, prove me wrong, and I'll apologize.
Once again, your rhetoric is childish. You set it up so that you can dismiss anyone who disagrees quickly, even ignoring reports that the first film has made its money back in home media as well as the fact that no one knows what will happen with Part 2. All the so-called experts certainly didn't think 2016 would succeed.
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I am a member of no group and participate in no rituals. I don't venerate Ayn Rand, I agree with her assertions and respect her for identifying them.
You also have no idea what I do in my free time, so I'd appreciate you keep unfounded claims out of your strawmanning.
I have done none of that. I have done nothing to misrepresent your position. Rather, I have presented my own, and my position is that the vast majority of those hanging out in this room are defending the actions and thoughts of a deeply disturbed woman who confused pre cold-war Russia with modern day America. Apples and oranges, my friend.
As for the "cult" thing, these two definitions seem to mirror the definitions in most dictionaries:
1) A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
2) A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
The shoe seems to fit quite well.
1. You're so steeped in your own delusions that you can't identify your misunderstandings of reality
or
2. You're so committed to trolling that you refuse to acknowledge anything that knocks you off script.
Either way, you've turned yourself into a talking wall because of your dishonesty. You talk at people and not with them, and that contradicts all your collectivist premises that you supposedly believe in.
It doesn't, and I'm here to explain why. You can either open yourself up to that glimpse of truth and reality, or you can bury yourself in Rand's hyper-cartoonish fantasies. Your choice.
I do not care for your explanations they are worthless, that is they have no value to me. What does have value is your absence as you are a distraction to others.
That's Ayn Rand in a nutshell.
"I do not need nor does anyone else need permission to be greedy and self-serving."
My response was a DIRECT retort to that claim. You don't get to make up definitions for words, even if Rand did. lol.
So your translation is invalid and pointless. As usual.
None of what I have contended is false. The money only exists to make this film because very wealthy, like-minded ideologues guaranteed financing, just as they do with PACS. They aren't doing it to champion Rand, they are doing it for the same reason that they support political candidates: they are seeking political influence that will allow them more favorable economic conditions than the rest of America. This is just one more tool in their arsenal.
Every decision the producers make on this film weighs the propaganda factor far more heavily than it weighs the art factor. You've made that abundantly clear on this site and others, and it's also been reinforced in interviews with the media: This film is a political tool, and it is being rolled out right before the election to try to influence politics. The immaturity of the film experience of part 1, and the hysterical overstatements in the trailer for part 2 only points this out. Drama, drama, drama, and not in the good way. Your audiences will eat it up even if it's the most cartoon representation of a film ever made (even if you have to recast the entire film because you failed to lock the actors in for all three parts, as any experienced set of producers surely would have done. Name me a single other film in the history of American film making that has made this mistake.)
If you can disprove ANY of what I've just said, please by all means do, and I will apologize. Secrets aren't as secret in Hollywood as you might like them to be. There are thousands of posts on the internet far more revealing about the skinny on this film than what I have revealed, many of them private groups that are private because the posters don't want to be blackballed by angry wealthy Randites. After the film comes out however, I'm sure much of the information will have found its way to critics, etc, who will report what they know.
Moving on... I've never pretended to be sneaking around. I'm using the same damned moniker as always. lol. Despite your statement to the contrary, I have NOT been banned 5 times. lol. I have always posted at Atlas Shrugged film groups was using the same screen name with slight modifications. I have been very up front about who I am, and I have taken full responsibility for my comments. This would be my 3rd screen name all based on the same JGID theme. So please don't lecture me on falsehoods until you move out of your glass house.
You can ban all you want, if that's the way you want to play the game. Both you and I know however that the reason you keep me around is because I boost activity at this site by a factor of 2 or 3. Are you sure you want to give that up just leading up to the release of this film, and then have everyone standing around bored silly, talking to members of the choir again?
I have been as respectful as every other members of this group (more so in many cases.) If you think being a moderator of this site should allow you advantages over who should be able to say what, then you have just proven true every last one of my claims about Randites; The chose people who are more deserving of things they worked for than others who work just as hard and just as smart. The logical thing for you to do here, and the thing that Rand herself would encourage you to do, is to put in the work to prove me wrong.Use your reasoning abilities and become a producer, not a moocher living off of my efforts. Banning is the cowards way out. Create something, man. Write with such passion that you knock my socks off.
This claim is also laughable:
"There are thousands of posts on the internet far more revealing about the skinny on this film than what I have revealed, many of them private groups that are private because the posters don't want to be blackballed by angry wealthy Randites."
Because "Randites" have so much power and influence that they can blackball people in Hollywood and lots of films with their values are being made.
If you're just here to hate on everyone, you're wasting your energy. You're not introducing any new ideas; you're recycling the same tired ideas from people who probably stated them much more eloquently than you.
As far as "legitimate films" paying its workers - I don't remember them paying the throngs of teenage girls wearing the "Twilight" shirts or buying the Mockingjay pin for "The Hunger Games". The fans did all that because they believed in it (although to be fair, they are to blame for unleashing sparkly vampires on all of us).
For someone in the industry, you're pretty damn clueless about fandom and what people are willing to do for the movies/novels/musicians they admire. The notion that people ought to be paid for all that is beyond asinine - and even so, they do it out of a desire to spread the author's work to people who may not have ever read him or her before.
And by the way - "13 year old metal head geeks"? If you truly worked in the industry you'd know that it's "the age of the geek." I wouldn't diss these kids; they are the defenders of free speech nowadays.
Additionally, there are laws governing work rates and rules for for-profit enterprises, that are far different than for non-profit political causes. Advertising for someone to "volunteer" for a for profit enterprise violates those rules. This is why you don't see "volunteers: working for corporations: The law doesn't consider them volunteers, it considers them employees. The only exception is if the are receiving school credit for the experience.
You forget that I do this stuff for a living.
Also, here is producer Jeff Freilich's IMDB, just in case you still want to claim he hasn't done anything of note: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0003306/
I've been sick recently, but I'm back on my feet now.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0761616/
But tell me, what specifically did you do for Man of Steel?
where are you headed with this, since I've already answered you 3 times.
What specifically did you do for that movie? What were your contributions?
I sketched and drew and specified and collaborated, and then other members of the team built it and painted it and dressed it and lit it and performed on it.
Do you have Google where you live? It's really easy to look this stuff up.