Having married two Jewish woman, and having a Jewish son, this may be one of the more difficult pieces I have written...and one of the most heart felt.
My perception is that Obama is very pro-Muslim and anti-Israel, and yet I have read that he won the Jewish vote here. Did AIPAC support him with their money? And if so, why?
I don't perceive him as anti-Israel, but, like all recent Presidents he set out to move Israel toward some sort of the two-state solution, to which Israel has pledged, endlessly, and always found excuses to derail. Read some of the columns of John Juddis about how all that happened with Obama...
Huh. This was the first President since Carter to advocate for Israel to go back to the 1967 borders - borders which are totally indefensible. He hasn't done anything to decry the rocket attacks on Israel, which are still occurring, but has actually sided with the Palestinians. Add to that his refusal to even label ISIS as a terrorist group and enemy of the free world, and I can only conclude the exact opposite - an opponent of Israel. I mean, Israel doesn't come out in diplomatic channels and call the President an idiot unless he has really ticked them off.
I have to agree with Barman, one of the first surprising statements Obama made once President was to state that Israel must go back to 1967 borders. I read an article online yesterday that stated many of the President’s 2012 campaign leaders are heading to Israel to work against Netanyahu’s re-election bid. I don’t know if it is true, but there is a grain of truth that this administration would like to see new leadership in Israel. This is about politics. Obama doesn’t want to give Netanyahu recognition before an election. Obama is probably furious that Congress is. Otherwise, this isn’t really an issue that he has been invited to talk to Congress. With Hezbollah lopping rockets right now, Netanyahu looks stronger in his position and purpose.
Okay, but the story does not say that Obama sent a team. It says that campaign professionals who supported Obama worked with an organization in Israel during an election campaign. It is not surprising that some American campaign types who supported Obama would be draw to help oppose Netanyahu. I don't think there is any evidence that Obama "sent" the team. Am I missing it?
"It is not surprising that some American campaign types who supported Obama would be drawn to oppose Netanyahu.” Um, not sure what you mean by that, but fair enough. What seems to me unreasonable is these ‘campaign types’ mounting a campaign on foreign shores. They will not be knocking on doors here in America. Did you catch that? To me, to put together an international effort, why yes, you almost have to have a known figure-head like Obama organizing the team, and recruiting the financiers to pull it off.Somebody big and important is behind the curtain. But, like you, I prefer facts, so it did also crossed my mind when i read the article there were no facts supplied to support a statement that Obama is involved. I guess that is why I stated I didn’t know if it was true. But then again, if you were familiar with my own personal beliefs that I have repeated ad nauseum around here-- I don’t think Obama is behind anything. I think he is mental, and Jarrett is running the show.
I don't recall any other president leaving BiBi cooling his heels while he goes and eats with his wife. Obama displays his Muslim teaching with his hateful treatment of Israel.
The Jewish vote isn't necessarily part of AIPAC. Many Jews conflate Judaism with political leftism. The reason: the last existential threat they felt came from Adolf Hitler. A man, or so they think, of the political right, not the left.
Yes. Hitler was the leader of the Nazi party, which meant National Socialist. How some people can think that was a right-wing organization is beyond me.
The right-left distinction has always been phoney and a political convenience. The real political spectrum is from no government (Anarchist) to absolute government control (Totalitarian), with both Communist and Socialist governments being authoritarian establishments varying degrees of closeness to Totalitarianism.
In sharp contrast, the chief world leftist socialist organization called itself Communist *International.*
And the original song ("Arise ye wretched of the earth!") of the Communist movement was the "Internationale."
Only with Stalin did the Russians sing of a Russian movement, or include any nationalism at all in their pronouncements. The State Hymn of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (a name Lenin chose to imply the foundation of a one-world government) gives the clues to Stalin's thinking, and self-glorification:
"Unbreakable union of free-born Republics, Great Russia has welded forever to stand!"
And:
"Be true to the people, so Stalin has reared us, inspired us to labor and exploits of might!"
And the last verse, during the war:
"Our forces we've train'd up and tested in battle, "Mean-spir'ted aggressors to sweep from the road! "We'll seal our posterity's fortunes in battle "And bring to our Motherland glory and laud!"
Right along with the German anthem, which translates as "Germany rules over ev'ryone,/Over ev'ry one in the world!"
Nationalism. That's what the Jews associated with "rightism."
And let's not forget: Theodor Herzl's original model called for share-and-share-alike communities. The kibbutzim had much in common with the kholkoz, or collective farm, in Soviet Russia. Except the kibbutz, being smaller, was far easier to manage.
But when the Soviet Union broke away from Israel and sided with the Arabs, so did the left. But Jews in America still didn't realize it. And in Israel, I have to say: how a paper like Haaretz can keep on with a leftist editorial policy, in light of the utter failures of leftist policy and diplomacy, I cannot fathom.
And in another fit of temper, Obama sent a team to Israel to try and defeat Bibi. This is against American law, but since when did Dear Leader care about that?
Haaretz has this story, identifying a member of Obama's reelection team (still paid out of remaining campaign funds) as part of the group working to unseat Netanyahu. Because the group isn't associated with any political party, Israeli laws against foreign funded political action don't apply.
An excellent article. The Jewish lobby and American neocons have formed an unholy alliance that promotes never ending US involvement in the Middle East that, to date, has cost trillions of dollars and thousands of US soldiers dead and wounded, and put us in bed not just with Israel, but with the repressive, Islamic extremist, terrorism-fomenting regime in Saudi Arabia. We have gained nothing for the costs we've borne, and there has been blowback: terrorism and Moslem "infiltration" (more in Europe than in the US) by refugees from the hell holes we've helped create in the Middle East.
Great summary, and description of the real costs we (USA) have incurred. Not only has therenot been any benefit to date, but the future points to more long term costs (blood and $$) by us with the same result - nothing.
Answer to the author's question- the elite of Israel and the elite of the US think they know what's best for the people of Israel and the people of the US. They take great care to manipulate what we think.
Well, thank goodness that neither country's leaders were elected by their citizens to support those actions... The LEADERS are the root cause of such a problem?
And the voters vote for those choices. Hey, NO argument on the "bread and circuses" aspects of American politics At All! It's nearly all For Show, and I've recognized that for literally decades. But so many voters think their selections will bring "Change..."
It's never the change promised or wanted. After the past hundred years of bankster control of the nations money, we are getting about 3 cents change for the hours labored by all producers (employers and employees) and thanks to taxes, people don't even get to keep that tiny payment. If it wasn't for advances in technology (in spite of the economic and political system) the change wouldn't be enough to prevent starvation. Eventually the same thing will happen as in every previous age of history, collapse and revolution, followed by the same mistakes again.
from an email from Europe... (sorry for the length)
" So it is OK for Obama to refuse to see Natanyahu since he doesn't want o interfere in the Israeli election but it is OK if he does this in Nigeria or via the back door by financing a group to overthrow Netanyahu...
To accomplish this, OVM (One Voice Movement ) has hired Jeremy Bird, the head of President Obama’s supremely successful “get out the vote campaign” in the last U.S. election.
Bird and his team have announced their intention to visit 1.5 million residences in Israel to encourage people to vote for a change in government (so much, by the way, for President Obama’s supposed non-involvement in the Israeli election).
Where is the money coming from to pay Bird and his team?
It turns out there is very little “grass roots” about OVM at all–on its own webpage, OVM lists the following entities as donors to the organization: The Alliance for Middle East Peace, 3 Faiths Forum, Alliance for Peacebuilding, Association of British Muslims, The Council of Christians and Jews, Christian Muslim Forum, City Circle Group, UK Conservative Party, Crown Family Philanthropies, Dotsub, Elays Network, Generations for Peace, Google, Harvard Negotiation Litigation Clinical Program, Generations for Peace, High Atlas Foundation, UK Labour Party, Labour Friends of Israel, Labour Friends of Palestine and the Middle East, British Muslims for a Secular Democracy, New Israel Fund, The Rayne Foundation, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, The Sainsbury Family Charitable Trusts, Skoll Foundation, Nathan Cummings Foundation, Eranda, United Jewish Appeal, Union of Jewish Students, Waltham Forest Council, Wandsworth Council, Westminster Foundation for Democracy, Woolf Institute, Yachad, and the European Commission.
Oh yes, and we almost forgot to mention: The U.S. State Department.
And most of this because Netanyahu calls Obama and his acolytes what they are - conniving hypocrites. And on what planet is Netanyahu addressing congress likely to make the situation with Iran WORSE?
Iran has just published the personal details of his kids and family and encouraged people to kill them.
This is OK with Obama, Kerry and the poison witch, Pelosi? "
Having lived for 63 years in a predominantly Jewish stronghold in the NY Catskills I have often wondered exactly what is the beef between Muslims and Jews? Such unending, vial hatred has been going on far longer than I have been here but having lived and worked with many Jewish friends I have never felt threatened in any way by them on a religious basis. Not so for the few Muslims I have had contact with. It appears to me that the Muslims hate us Christians just as much as they hate the Jews and no other religion gets any respect either. Just like King Obama, the Muslims carry the attitude "It is my way or the highway" and that won't fly here in my America!
Theodor Herzl was absolutely correct. I studied that Dreyfus affair. It was one of the most disgusting examples of selective application of the law, and blaming someone else for your own shortcomings (or deliberate treasons), I have ever seen or studied.
Now was Theodor Herzl alone in his idea of self-determination of the Jewish people. Eliezer Yitzhak Perelman, better known to history as Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, had another vision. If the Jews are to be one people, with one land, they must have one language. And if they do not speak one language, they must create one! Or resurrect one, one they had not spoken in everyday usage for two thousand years. I refer, of course, to the Hebrew language.
Back to Theodor Herzl: if he witnessed the ugliness in Paris and elsewhere in France today, he would shout from the rooftop, "What are you waiting for? Go up! Go up to the Land of Zion and Jerusalem!"
Actor Kirk Douglas, portraying Lt. Col. David "Mickey" Marcus USAR (a/k/a "Aluf Michael Stone") in "Cast a Giant Shadow," called Israel "the one place on this whole earth where [Jews] can go and live in peace." Until recently I might have been able to dispute him. Maybe I still can. But I have watched my fellow citizens elect someone (who was not even eligible to the office, but that's another debate) who brought back anti-Semitism in this country and actually made it respectable again, in leftist circles. I never thought I would live to see that day.
If we let him. The blacks who go to the church I attend, will not decamp from it any time soon. Certainly none of us whites will suggest such a thing. Nor would we want to see them go. They're "family" now, and have been "family" for years.
I don't think there is any question about the Dreyfus Affair, just as you say. But historians seems to ask if that really was "the moment" for Herzl's lifelong conviction about Zionism. Not a terrible important point; the Dreyfus Affair was an outrage and Herzl did have his "idea"--the question raised is if the two were really so connected.
Every firearm has a trigger. Every explosion has a detonator. The second does not entirely cause the first. But the first stays potential only, until the second acts.
I think actually the questioning by historians compliments Herzl, who long has been characterized as a rather wealthy, naive Jewish journalist who came to Paris and exclaimed: OMG! It is a typical picture book historical incident and historians are saying, I think, that Herzl's inspiration had more depth than that...
Obama is an arrogant, petulant brat. He shouldnt be involved in foreign relations, as they dont appreciate being treated that way. In addition, he is a closet muslim. Who knows what he thinks about Jews, and I really dont care.
As to Israel, I think we should stop enabling this whole mideast conflict by giving so much money to Israel so they can buy weapons and wage war. And we should NOT wage war with ISIS, as they pose no threat to the USA. Let them settle the age old religious conflicts in THEIR region on their own- without our interference.
Please don't think for one minute if we leave the Muslims in the ME alone that they will simply leave us here in the US alone. Nothing could be further from the truth. All infidels are the scourge of the earth according to their rule book and there is nothing Holy about that rag.
But from a strategic standpoint, ISIS is a religious SUNNI thing and they hate the other Arabs. Those Arabs are closeby, and one would think they would attack the Shiite's and take over Iraq like Saddam did earlier. Why come to the USA when there are targets much easier to get right there.
Sir I am of Jewish heritage, second generation and the USA comes first as far as i am concerned and i will not talk for the other 6 million Jewish people living in the USA but from the perspective of my friends they also hold the same position as i do. Now i will say that i would be very surprised if the other millions think any differently.
The problem that exists is not between the two countries but B.H. O. he is a muslim. he has the same hatred for Israel as does hamas and ALL of the rest of the islamic arab world has. just so you have a better idea as to how the major Jewish population think of 0 even though they voted for him is that he is a schavatzer (you can correct the spelling) and they did vote for him so they would not encounter political problems. They were sadly mistaken. what 0 does not understand is that we will persevere while he will regardless of how much money he has acquired as the president will be relegated to intellectual bankruptcy a state that he has existed in and will never leave. he will in my opinion also not even have the respect of the black community since they are sliding down the economic slide faster the the rest of us and the ladder of success will be much more difficult to climb.
Jews vote Democratic. That's it, that has always been it. You'll find Jews at the forefront of every socialist movement or Progressive cause. Why such a stubborn adherence to the left, I cannot say. When I was a kid, I would ask my mother or father why we voted for FDR, and I got such simplistic answers as, "Because he's for the working class." Sound familiar? Straight out of Marx and I don't mean Groucho. I have fought, argued and debated this with so-called learned and influential Jews. I finally gave up after many years. With all their accomplishments in science and the arts, when it comes to politics the ingrained liberal desires seem to offset the guilt they feel for being accomplished. It is clear that most of Obama's leadership is detrimental to them yet they cling to a fantasy of not what he is, but what he should be. Even the revered FDR was anti-jew, sending boatloads of them to certain death when they attempted asylum from Germany, but they turned a blind eye to any taint of their hero. It was if they shouted "I love you" as they were being shot by a firing squad.
I read an article online yesterday that stated many of the President’s 2012 campaign leaders are heading to Israel to work against Netanyahu’s re-election bid. I don’t know if it is true, but there is a grain of truth that this administration would like to see new leadership in Israel. This is about politics. Obama doesn’t want to give Netanyahu recognition before an election. Obama is probably furious that Congress is. Otherwise, this isn’t really an issue that he has been invited to talk to Congress. With Hezbollah lopping rockets right now, Netanyahu looks stronger in his position and purpose.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015...
Sure looks like it....
http://www.wnd.com/2015/01/obama-army-de...
Um, not sure what you mean by that, but fair enough. What seems to me unreasonable is these ‘campaign types’ mounting a campaign on foreign shores. They will not be knocking on doors here in America. Did you catch that? To me, to put together an international effort, why yes, you almost have to have a known figure-head like Obama organizing the team, and recruiting the financiers to pull it off.Somebody big and important is behind the curtain. But, like you, I prefer facts, so it did also crossed my mind when i read the article there were no facts supplied to support a statement that Obama is involved. I guess that is why I stated I didn’t know if it was true. But then again, if you were familiar with my own personal beliefs that I have repeated ad nauseum around here-- I don’t think Obama is behind anything. I think he is mental, and Jarrett is running the show.
In sharp contrast, the chief world leftist socialist organization called itself Communist *International.*
And the original song ("Arise ye wretched of the earth!") of the Communist movement was the "Internationale."
Only with Stalin did the Russians sing of a Russian movement, or include any nationalism at all in their pronouncements. The State Hymn of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (a name Lenin chose to imply the foundation of a one-world government) gives the clues to Stalin's thinking, and self-glorification:
"Unbreakable union of free-born Republics, Great Russia has welded forever to stand!"
And:
"Be true to the people, so Stalin has reared us, inspired us to labor and exploits of might!"
And the last verse, during the war:
"Our forces we've train'd up and tested in battle,
"Mean-spir'ted aggressors to sweep from the road!
"We'll seal our posterity's fortunes in battle
"And bring to our Motherland glory and laud!"
Right along with the German anthem, which translates as "Germany rules over ev'ryone,/Over ev'ry one in the world!"
Nationalism. That's what the Jews associated with "rightism."
And let's not forget: Theodor Herzl's original model called for share-and-share-alike communities. The kibbutzim had much in common with the kholkoz, or collective farm, in Soviet Russia. Except the kibbutz, being smaller, was far easier to manage.
But when the Soviet Union broke away from Israel and sided with the Arabs, so did the left. But Jews in America still didn't realize it. And in Israel, I have to say: how a paper like Haaretz can keep on with a leftist editorial policy, in light of the utter failures of leftist policy and diplomacy, I cannot fathom.
Of course, America never intervenes in the politics and foreign policy of other countries, right?
the elite of Israel and the elite of the US think they know what's best for the people of Israel and the people of the US. They take great care to manipulate what we think.
The LEADERS are the root cause of such a problem?
It's nearly all For Show, and I've recognized that for literally decades. But so many voters think their selections will bring "Change..."
Right....
After the past hundred years of bankster control of the nations money, we are getting about 3 cents change for the hours labored by all producers (employers and employees) and thanks to taxes, people don't even get to keep that tiny payment. If it wasn't for advances in technology (in spite of the economic and political system) the change wouldn't be enough to prevent starvation.
Eventually the same thing will happen as in every previous age of history, collapse and revolution, followed by the same mistakes again.
"
So it is OK for Obama to refuse to see Natanyahu since he doesn't want o interfere in the Israeli election but it is OK if he does this in Nigeria or via the back door by financing a group to overthrow Netanyahu...
To accomplish this, OVM (One Voice Movement ) has hired Jeremy Bird, the head of President Obama’s supremely successful “get out the vote campaign” in the last U.S. election.
Bird and his team have announced their intention to visit 1.5 million residences in Israel to encourage people to vote for a change in government (so much, by the way, for President Obama’s supposed non-involvement in the Israeli election).
Where is the money coming from to pay Bird and his team?
It turns out there is very little “grass roots” about OVM at all–on its own webpage, OVM lists the following entities as donors to the organization:
The Alliance for Middle East Peace, 3 Faiths Forum, Alliance for Peacebuilding, Association of British Muslims, The Council of Christians and Jews, Christian Muslim Forum, City Circle Group, UK Conservative Party, Crown Family Philanthropies, Dotsub, Elays Network, Generations for Peace, Google, Harvard Negotiation Litigation Clinical Program, Generations for Peace, High Atlas Foundation, UK Labour Party, Labour Friends of Israel, Labour Friends of Palestine and the Middle East, British Muslims for a Secular Democracy, New Israel Fund, The Rayne Foundation, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, The Sainsbury Family Charitable Trusts, Skoll Foundation, Nathan Cummings Foundation, Eranda, United Jewish Appeal, Union of Jewish Students, Waltham Forest Council, Wandsworth Council, Westminster Foundation for Democracy, Woolf Institute, Yachad, and the European Commission.
Oh yes, and we almost forgot to mention: The U.S. State Department.
And most of this because Netanyahu calls Obama and his acolytes what they are - conniving hypocrites. And on what planet is Netanyahu addressing congress likely to make the situation with Iran WORSE?
Iran has just published the personal details of his kids and family and encouraged people to kill them.
This is OK with Obama, Kerry and the poison witch, Pelosi?
"
If it isn't, then it will be completely out of character giving the WH's dismal history of dissing Israel, and it's leaders....
Thanks for the post.
Such unending, vial hatred has been going on far longer than I have been here but having lived and worked with many Jewish friends I have never felt threatened in any way by them on a religious basis. Not so for the few Muslims I have had contact with. It appears to me that the Muslims hate us Christians just as much as they hate the Jews and no other religion gets any respect either.
Just like King Obama, the Muslims carry the attitude "It is my way or the highway" and that won't fly here in my America!
Now was Theodor Herzl alone in his idea of self-determination of the Jewish people. Eliezer Yitzhak Perelman, better known to history as Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, had another vision. If the Jews are to be one people, with one land, they must have one language. And if they do not speak one language, they must create one! Or resurrect one, one they had not spoken in everyday usage for two thousand years. I refer, of course, to the Hebrew language.
Back to Theodor Herzl: if he witnessed the ugliness in Paris and elsewhere in France today, he would shout from the rooftop, "What are you waiting for? Go up! Go up to the Land of Zion and Jerusalem!"
Actor Kirk Douglas, portraying Lt. Col. David "Mickey" Marcus USAR (a/k/a "Aluf Michael Stone") in "Cast a Giant Shadow," called Israel "the one place on this whole earth where [Jews] can go and live in peace." Until recently I might have been able to dispute him. Maybe I still can. But I have watched my fellow citizens elect someone (who was not even eligible to the office, but that's another debate) who brought back anti-Semitism in this country and actually made it respectable again, in leftist circles. I never thought I would live to see that day.
As to Israel, I think we should stop enabling this whole mideast conflict by giving so much money to Israel so they can buy weapons and wage war. And we should NOT wage war with ISIS, as they pose no threat to the USA. Let them settle the age old religious conflicts in THEIR region on their own- without our interference.
The problem that exists is not between the two countries but B.H. O. he is a muslim. he has the same hatred for Israel as does hamas and ALL of the rest of the islamic arab world has. just so you have a better idea as to how the major Jewish population think of 0 even though they voted for him is that he is a schavatzer (you can correct the spelling) and they did vote for him so they would not encounter political problems. They were sadly mistaken.
what 0 does not understand is that we will persevere while he will regardless of how much money he has acquired as the president will be relegated to intellectual bankruptcy a state that he has existed in and will never leave. he will in my opinion also not even have the respect of the black community since they are sliding down the economic slide faster the the rest of us and the ladder of success will be much more difficult to climb.