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Obama's Massive Land Grab Has Alaska Furious: 'We Will Fight Back'

Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 11 months ago to Government
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President Obama announced Sunday that his administration plans to lock up the oil-rich 1.5 million acre Arctic National Wildlife Refuge coastal plain and offshore areas in Alaska from oil and gas exploration.

More energy and job killing land-grabs by our out of touch Dear Leader.
SOURCE URL: http://freedomforce.com/1204/obamas-massive-land-grab-alaska-furious-will-fight-back/


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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 11 months ago
    “The promises made to us at statehood, and since then, mean absolutely nothing to them,” Murkowski said. “I cannot understand why this administration is willing to negotiate with Iran, but not Alaska. But we will not be run over like this. We will fight back with every resource at our disposal."
    Obama may have found an issue that will unite Democrats and Republicans...In Alaska at least.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago
    “Just like Yosemite or the Grand Canyon, the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is one of our nation’s crown jewels and we have an obligation to preserve this spectacular place for generations to come,” Jewell added. I guess Secretary of the Interior Jewell has never been there. This area is a vast permafrost wasteland.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
      Hello jbrenner,
      Always such a pleasure to talk to you. I thought it noteworthy that these announcements (like their document releases) are always timed for Friday nights or at least over the weekend so as to avoid as much scrutiny as possible.
      I hope the States all band together. This behemoth must be stopped.
      Regards,
      O.A.
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago
        I enjoy our discussions, too, O.A. At this point, I am just trying to survive until early 2017.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
          Hopefully... 2017... Moment Of Glory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMUX_4B-...
          It would be glorious to see a brighter future again. Of course, at this point, it seems we have fallen so far anything positive is up.
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          • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 11 months ago
            I do not think we have till 2017 before we have a global economic collapse.
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            • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
              Hello Xenokroy,
              Good to hear from you.
              You are not alone in that prognostication. If it is inevitable, I wish it would get it over with so I can concentrate on rebuilding and moving on. I believe so many of the present circumstances we are in are results of policies that parallel those of FDR and are thus prolonging the "recession." The stats we hear from Mt. Olympus are obviously flawed. The positive indicators are cherry picked and they ignore the most important ones like household income, labor participation, national debt...
              I believe a responsible course would be to reign in this government and downsize it to the enumerated powers of the Constitution and sell off Federal land and pay down the debt with the proceeds. Instead they are taking more land...
              What do I know... I'm just a businessman...
              Respectfully,
              O.A.
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              • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 10 months ago
                I would tend to agree with you with one exception. Much of the federal lands do not belong to feds. They have failed to live up to contracts by which the lands would belong to the states or the people.

                I am in Utah, nearly 70% federal and nearly 100% of it illegally held by the fed. We have a suit pending against the federal government over it. They were by contract to turn those lands back over to the state in the early 1900s. Which they never have done.

                Other states have similar issues (particularly in the west) Lands which were committed to go back to states earlier in the US existence were transfers back. If you were after the turn of the century you did not get it, the feds broke their agreements.

                Even with the sale of lands to pay down debt, unless we have mind shift from a society of looters and spenders to one of producers and savers it wont matter. It is my fear that we have grown so irrationally proud that we cannot see the writing on the wall and nature will have to show us the error of our ways. Those who deserve to see it the hard way along with those like us that see it coming. We will likely be less affected by the coming collapse.

                To avert it, we must have a change in our cultural philosophy in regards to money and government.
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                • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago
                  Very interesting. The government looters don't even legitimately own much of the land they are putting off limits. Typical... so much for government of the people, by the people, for the people... If the States haven't the will or power to assert their rights of ownership then we are truly a conquered people and State and individual sovereignty are but illusion... Federalism is but a shadow.
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                  • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 10 months ago
                    It took 87 years for Utah to file a case against the fed. Why so long? No backbone with our politicians for the last many years. I am frankly surprised we have done it now. A significant number of our states voters (about 1/3) think we should leave it be.

                    It amazes me that even now 1/3 of people do not want to fight for our lands. we have the largest oil shell field in the world under the lands in question, not to mention the second largest reserve of coal in the same area. The potential economic impact of just those two resources is in the billions if not trillions over years of time. The feds have it all locked away doing nothing.
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                    • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago
                      I hope your State is successful. A victory could inspire others. The mere fact that some States are starting lawsuits in various arenas is actually one of the more hopeful signs. The 1/3 can pound sand. They might as well be Tories...
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      • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 11 months ago
        Plenty of states have simular problems. I know in Utah we have agreements that the feds have failed to fulfill for 100 years. We have court cases pending to get our lands the feds stole from us back, but it likely will fail as the people deciding if we can get our lands are working for the people who want to keep them.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago
    People forget that before she became governor of Alaska, the "Mama Grizzly" (Sarah Palin) was in charge of the Bureau of Natural Resources for the State of Alaska, and ran it quite well.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 9 years, 11 months ago
    Don't be fooled, this is not a one time thing, and don't be surprised if locking it up is code for turning it over to the UN. Remember before the second election, also during a news off day, Obama let the UN know he would support UN Agenda 21? Tie this to his State of the Union, when the environment was included, and you have him going right along with seizing the lands of the US for UN control. It is the beginning of the end of private property rights in this country if someone does not wake up and expose this jerk before we all lose our right to own land.! Oh, and don't expect less from Hillary, remember Bill handed over to the UN several national parks as "Heritage Sites" without asking the real owners, the taxpayers.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
      Hello Stormi,
      I would put nothing past our emperor. He is the most Imperial... We are just one executive order away from total tyranny. I don't know who to be more upset with, him, the rollover and play dead congress, or the idiots that voted for him twice.
      Respectfully,
      O.A.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 11 months ago
      The bright side, if there is one, is that there will likely be another world war any day now -- and the UN will no more survive its onset than the League of Nations endured after WW2 began. Remember, the UN was leaders' attempt to lock in the result of WW2 permanently. That goal is already rapidly falling apart.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 9 years, 11 months ago
    It is time for Alaska and Texas to consider secession. Obama and his fellow travelers are intentionally destroying the country and there is no reason for the states to be a part of it.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
      Hello ProfChuck,
      Honestly I am surprised there is not more talk of it. Many will say the the right of secession has been invalidated and settled by the civil war, but has it really? Would our present populace support a war against States that wish to end their servitude to the federal government? The North had the high ground in the civil war when it claimed to be emancipating people from servitude in the South.
      I would say that in this case the tables would be turned.
      Respectfully,
      O.A.
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      • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 11 months ago
        What the Civil War settled is that if any state tries to secede without Congress' permission, they will have to fight a war to do it. That doesn't mean it can't happen. If it is tried, the outcome will likely rest on how many of the soldiers and Marines from that state take which side.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
          Hello jdg,
          Exactly. I believe if enough States were determined to ignore the Feds on some issues and nullify the worst of the usurpations, the Feds would back down and no bloodshed would be necessary. I hate to think that Jefferson was right and provided the only option... "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
          Respectfully,
          O.A.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 11 months ago
    “Just like Yosemite or the Grand Canyon, the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is one of our nation’s crown jewels"
    That's a monarchist dictatorship statement if I ever heard one.
    A republic has no "crown jewels", nor has it any need for them.
    Wasn't the American Revolution fought to throw off the shackles of monarchist dictatorship forever?
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  • Posted by wiggys2 9 years, 11 months ago
    I do lots of business in Alaska. the only thing in the ANWR area other than oil is mosquito"s by the billions. NOBODY ever goes there for exploring etc.
    we should send 0 there in july without a t shirt. he will last 2 hours because the mosquito's will have consumed all of his blood, and he should have some of his friends with him as well.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 11 months ago
      I've read about those "mosquitoes by the billions" way up north.
      They've been known to run a moose to death.
      Oil company geologists better wear protective suits and headgear.
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  • Posted by Ben_C 9 years, 11 months ago
    Feudalism is alive and well. Its great to be the king! At some point the peasants will become weary of the taxes and edicts and will revolt. History does repeat itself.
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years, 11 months ago
    I know where I'd stop providing any gas, oil, or coal energy support immediately if I were in charge. Give people what they want. If they want no gas or oil give them none. The White House can go back to burning candles for the next couple of years. Why fight it? And the people against fracking can buy imported oil and the rest of us use the cheap stuff. What could be wrong with my proposal, everyone would get what they want?
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 11 months ago
    I don't know whether it is an illusion or not, but I perceive Obama as the "Anti-American" who does whatever he can get away with to turn the USA into a 3rd world country. On second thought, maybe not an illusion.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 11 months ago
    I read that native Alaskans are all for drilling. I'll bet!
    Some industry moving in may provide a block to have a store on--never mind just having a store on one of those.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 11 months ago
    Of course he wants to grab the land. He looks forward to a future in which no person, save an LEO, an active-duty military service member, a VIP like him, a very carefully selected chauffeur, or a bodyguard goes anywhere near an automobile.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 11 months ago
    Obama is an islamic socialist. Once he is out of politics, I think this will come out. I say he did more to hurt black people by his arrogance than he helped them with freebie giveaways. Good Riddance.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 9 years, 11 months ago
    OK folks before I start saying why I see this as a good thing. Please understand that I hate what Obama stands for and nearly everything that he has ever done.

    I see this as a way of saving our resources for later. Think about it fossil fuels are a finite resource. Whereas the fiat currency we are spending is essentially an infinite resource. Our money is meaningless beyond what everybody agrees that it is worth. Eventually countries in the middle east will run out of oil. Then we can start drilling in those areas we are currently holding off limits.

    Essentially if you have all the oil and all the food you can have all of whatever you like.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 11 months ago
      Resources are not a fixed pie. You need to read the works of Julian Simon, especially "The Ultimate Resource."
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      • Posted by Eyecu2 9 years, 11 months ago
        Fossil fuels are a finite resource unless of course you want to take a long look at it. Say 30 or 40 million years. How long will oil supplies last? 50, 100, 200 years. Not certain and depending on who you listen to on how long you believe it will be. The fact is it will run out and if we have been sitting on ours and buying theirs we will have some after they are out.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
          Hello Eyecu2,
          I once worked in the oilfields and it was common knowledge that we had much more oil than the government wanted people to know about or utilize. For national security reasons many wells were capped and held in reserve. Only the most productive were being tapped. As far as peak oil is concerned and the finite resource arguments go, history has demonstrated that when a resource no longer is abundant and cost effective we develop alternatives. We have many technologies waiting in the wings now. They are not yet ready for 'prime time", but would quickly be so once the supply dwindles and the price of existing options becomes excessive.
          Here are some interesting possibilities.
          Cold Fusion Generator Small footprint October 2014:
          http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/19175...
          Abiotic Oil Theory:
          http://www.americanconservativedaily.com...
          http://amlibpub.blogspot.com/2006/12/is-... There are many such theories and a search on "Abiotic Oil" will return many hits. It is just a theory, but it is interesting and offers one possible explanation for why previously exhausted wells have been later found to be replenished.
          Also how much oil and how long it will last:
          http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp...
          Man is ingenious and will develop ways to produce more, or find alternatives when push comes to shove. As khalling has indicated, once we were about to run out of whale oil... Unfortunately there are very powerful entities that do not want the public to be aware of the abundance. Between those that wish to keep energy prices high for profit and their cronies in government as well as the environmentalists and their cronies that wish to put off-limits much of the supply, the opportunity for competition and market forces are derailed.
          Respectfully,
          O.A.





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          • Posted by Eyecu2 9 years, 11 months ago
            I realize these things and in no way think that we will run out of oil. I know I have not expanded on what I was trying to say, basically for simplicity sake. And as you have mentioned even if we did we would find an alternative.

            That is not my point at all. What I am trying to say is that as the middle east uses their supply of easy to access oil their supply will dwindle to the point that they have to do things to access their oil that will make it too expensive for us to be willing to buy from them. At that point the Us would then be forced by public opinion to change the laws thereby accessing our easier to access and cheaper oil. This would most likely cause a financial collapse of the middle east and much worse unrest there than we are currently seeing but that is a whole different set of issues.

            Yes I realize that the powers that be are using this move to control Americans access to inexpensive power supplies there by controlling the masses and making larger profits.

            I am just noticing a minor silver lining in this dark cloud.
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