Galt's Gulch

Brian Tracy on Successful People

Posted by Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago to Pics
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I thought this was a pretty inspirational quote. ;)

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  • Posted by $ Susanne 11 years, 4 months ago
    That sounds somewhat... backwards. A successful person may want to share the gains of their success, but unless they look out for #1 first, they won't have the means to be the "socially responible" brother-lover as deemed politically correct by the exalted ones...
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    • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago
      I think you misunderstood the quote. Selfless service doesn't mean you never look out for your own welfare or prosperity, it just means you're willing to help others without expecting anything in return. That doesn't mean you always work for free, it just means you're willing to be generous and helpful.
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      • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 4 months ago
        Selfless means just that....you think of yourself LESS than others. To whom are we being "generous" and "helpful"? Do we get a choice or is it pre assigned. I prefer to help those I think worthy of helping. Who you think worthy might be different than who I think worthy. Some don't WANT to be helped and throwing money and things at them only makes the giver feel some satisfaction but doesn't change a thing for the receiver. "Helping" and "giving" is subjective. Some just like to be perceived as generous for self absorbed reasons. It's like saying someone is "nice"...it means nothing without knowing the reasons and motives behind their actions. I, as a rule, shy away from feel good crap. If you're drowning and I can save you without risking my own life...then I'll save you. :)
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        • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago
          Obviously it's a choice. Where did you get the idea that selfless service would be compulsory?
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          • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 4 months ago
            TAXES!
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            • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago
              So I mention selfless service, and you automatically jump to the conclusion that I'm talking about taxes?
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              • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 4 months ago
                I mention business owners having the right to kick people out their doors if they so please and you automatically jump to calling me a racist?

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                • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago
                  Well if the business owner's reason for kicking someone out of their doors is because of that's person's race, then yes, that is racist. And anyone who defends such behavior is either a racist themselves, or a racist sympathizer/enabler, which is just as bad.

                  The only legitimate or justifiable reason any business owner has for kicking someone out is for bad behavior. No other reason is morally justifiable.
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                  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 11 months ago
                    excuse me, but if it's my business, I may "kick someone out" for any reason which I might choose, and bear the consequences. the fact that the governments force me to avoid this is immoral. the proof is this: if it's my business and I am forced to perform my act (sell, bake, photograph, etc.) by anyone, I am free to close. I do not cowtow to force. I respond. -- j
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                    • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 11 months ago
                      There is absolutely nothing immoral about government protecting employees and/or customers from abusive actions or behavior of a business owner. The whole purpose of government is to protect people from each other.
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                      • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 11 months ago
                        then, logically, the government should protect the customer from the closure of the business, since that action is somehow hurting the customer. yes? I suggest that my decision to decline to serve a customer is not hurting that customer, but instead removing the possibility of any interaction -- whether beneficial or hurtful. if a government forces me to serve a customer, I will respond. this is the lesson of John Galt. "I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." remember? -- j
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                        • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 11 months ago
                          Now you're just being illogical and silly. Denying certain groups of people equal access to services in the public sphere DOES absolutely harm them, and trying to say otherwise is nonsense.

                          As for John Galt's oath, I actually think John Bunyan had better advice:

                          “You have not lived today until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.”
                          ― John Bunyan
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                          • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 11 months ago
                            nope; I said nothing about groups. I said customer. this is an individual choice. I have effectively closed my tiny dj business because I have emphysema, but that doesn't prevent me from helping my neighbor who will never repay me -- most recently a $100 gift this past Tuesday to the local "love kitchen" in the name of Tal Fortgang, who requested that instead of receiving it himself. the use of government force must be VERY carefully limited, else freedoms die. -- j
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                  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 4 months ago
                    I can't wait until you start your own business. There's all kinds of riff raff in the world you won't want to deal with. And it has nothing to do with race although you're hell bent on making it an issue. You called me a racists when I wasn't even talking about a person's race. Do you know how old that's getting? Put that power tool back in it's case...it no longer works. (And in my book, whining and crying is "bad behavior".)
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago
    Insufficient context for meaningful answer.

    That could be a Sam Walton quote, for the service industry. Successful crap-peddlers look for ways of helping other people (at a price), while unsuccessful crap peddlers focus on profit margin.

    It's a stretch, but then, that's my point.

    How successful could such an outlook be in a world without the needy?
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