Feminists Attack Renowned Scientist Who Just Helped Land A Spacecraft On A Comet
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Another "F"ing disclaimer of performance.
So, they can take their offense and... Arrgh.
"I have a dream....that one day people will be judged, not by the color of their shirts, but by the contents of their character".
That's...not...FUNNY (said with indignant rage)
Above and beyond ones freedom to wear (in this case this shirt) what one chooses, there are appropriate and inappropriate places/occasions where one needs to apply common sense or stated in other words, good manners: would you wear that shirt to church, to a funeral, to talk to your kid's teachers, to a job interview? Well, would you? It may be a cool shirt but good taste limits its use. As for the scientist, so smart... and yet so dumb.
Decorum is never wrong.
I do not think anyone that has proffered an opinion against the "shirt" is either overlooking the credits of the individual wearing it or is trying to establish a dress code. Trying to demean another's opinion, as seen in many comments in this thread by insinuating something never intended is disingenuous.
While I am completely on the side of db, I remain contrary to the "shirt" debacle.
You are in no position to dictate a dressing code.
“Females have made up nearly half of the science classes I’ve taken ever since [high school], right up through graduate school.” But although 40% of her peers are women only two of the grads and post docs who deliver seminars are women. “Here’s what really made me feel awful: I didn’t notice this lack of women speakers for over a year. … If I’ve interacted with women working in science across the world, across cultures, and religions, how could I fail to notice their absence right here at home?” SHE'S SUCH A GEEK in the Gulch here. http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/2b...
"They find that lower grades lead to lower persistence, and that this effect is stronger for women. As it is generally true that STEM field departments are the most difficult grading departments at most colleges, this finding could also play a large role in the under-representation of women in STEM field majors, and their higher rates of attrition from the major following matriculation."
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...
I thought about providing here the link that said Elly Prizeman; but when I saw what was to be seen, dino says to himself, "No, that could get my comment squished.
See for yourself if you haven't already.
It just proves that not all women are feminists while feminists think they are speaking for all women.
If I twittered, I would follow db. This is absolutely ridiculous. Although, I heard the man was in tears, so maybe he doesn’t deserve an awesome shirt that like?
You know no one was watching for her political views.
I think I'll buy some just so they keep making it...
Judge on his character, exactly, loud and crass.
There may be appropriate occasions for that shirt so no blame can be put on the designer.
The complaint about the shirt being sexist -or whatever the in-word is now- shows the complainer is also an attention seeker and is likely to have perceived and real inferiority.
[any remarks about- bigger fools, shut up]
There are women who discriminate against women- if this anecdote is data it may be evidence of inferior judgment of that type of person.
" the old-fashioned gentleman’s insistence on protecting a woman from physical work and physical risk."
This quote is wrong, the word 'woman' should be 'lady'. In the days of ladies and gentlemen, women's work was often dirty and dangerous. On a journey by carriage, the gentleman would assist the lady in and out but a servant woman would be strapped to an outside board.
In my motor mechanic's office there is a new bookkeeper, there used to be the usual pics on the wall opposite and maybe embarrassing to a female bookkeeper, Now there are pics of male backsides. Have not worked out the correct response yet, could be either blushing or LOL.
Note that I won't be tweeting that opinion to the world, and I applaud the accomplishments of the shirt wearer and shirt maker.
The issue here is that a woman TV reporter considers the offense she takes to be the shirt-wearer's problem. That view needs to be laughed off the stage whenever it appears. Those who assert it need to be taught to take responsibility for their own feelings.
Her boss should also have something to say about her walking away from news (while on-camera!) to harangue the guy about non-news.
The story of Abraham and Isaac is not isolated, but common across the world. Sacrificing your children - especially the first born male - was supposed to bring favor from the gods. As for Sarah and Hagar, they did not get to write the books. If we are to leave the planet, we must leave quite a bit of our history here, and write a story.
I do not find the cartoonish, disproportionate females attractive. I do question whether a bondage fetish is "normal" male sexuality.
utter mindlessness.
Of course, we defend the freedoms of those with whom we disagree. Said Matt Taylor, "“Since early on in my career I have enjoyed working with groups or teams of scientists towards a common goal, encouraging them to work with one another and to support their activities." (His bio from the Rosetta Project here: http://rosetta.jpl.nasa.gov/matt-taylor)
He is certainly free to wear the shirt on his time, especially when in the company of the woman who made it for him, or with anyone else, for that matter, but not at work. The shirt was totally inappropriate for just about any enterprise that I know of, and definitely out of bounds for NASA and the ESA. No sexually explicit clothing is appropriate.
If the images had been men, they would have been no less insulting, demeaning, and inappropriate.
It is especially disappointing to me to read approval for the objectification and sexualization of women on this site. In _Atlas Shrugged_ conservative looter Cuffy Meigs called Dagny Taggart "the little girl who's such a wizard at railroading." The two are causally related.
That two women here, mimi and khalling, defend the shirt and its imagery as if that were asserting a rational romanticism is also deeply troubling.
I am all in favor of sex. I would be happy to share links, images, stories or whatever else. But not in the workplace.
Would you be so quick to defend him if he wore a shirt that said "Death to Atheists" or "Stop Global Warming Now"?
Ri-di-cu-lous.
This is simply a symptom of the abysmal stupidity of feminists.
One of two scientists leading the entire rosetta team. He has been interviewed the entire week, answering questions related to the project. History will decide, but this accomplishment I found amazing. The shirt was in no way a political statement, but a vintage sci fi themed print. You probably say hula dancing girls on an hawaiian themed shirt was denigrating to women. Fess up, you 're offended by the ray guns the women were sporting. How urbane of you # styleoversubstance
from an O friend of mine:
"The Verge" is owned by Ezra Klein's company, Vox Media. I am part of a boycott against Vox Media and Gawker Media because of all of their propaganda.
It started because of something called "GamerGate." The media were saying that GamerGate was a group of nerdy misogynist shut-ins who played video games, who were trying to harass and bully women out of the video-game industry. At first I believed those accusations. But, when I looked into it, I learned that this was actually a smear spread by radical feminists -- there is no organized campaign to harass women out of the video-game industry. The smear campaign reminded me of how, after the Oklahoma City bombing, the media said that anyone critical of the Clinton administration was supportive of violent militias.
Because Vox Media and Gawker Merdia were central to the smear campaign, I decided to join GamerGate's boycott against them.
it's an orchestrated bullying campaign. that is all.
I "get" the shirt - and it would be OK at ComicCon, where it would be "e pluribus unum" just another one out of very many, male, female, and whatever else is in time and space. The shirt was inappropriate for the workplace, especially NASA, most especially when they were drawing news media to them.
"The editors note that in 2001, “56% of bachelor degrees in science and engineering went to women, but women hold only 25 percent of jobs in science and engineering. More women than men are graduating in the sciences but a hostile job market and chilly graduate programs are keeping them from achieving their goals.” -- In the Gulch here: http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/2b...
"...but a hostile job market and chilly graduate programs are keeping them from achieving their goals..." There is no evidence for this conclusion and frankly has no one considered the fact that many graduate students marry and have children? Anecdotal, perhaps, but if I was running a lab and a key member of my graduate team needs to take maternity leave during an important deadline-or I am looking to promote within my company an excellent female candidate who is clearly on the track to have 3 children over the next decade, it may affect my decision. It may be against the law, but facts are facts. Women accept jobs everyday when they are pregnant, do not disclose it to their employer until after they are hired and not only take maternity leave but often have difficulty giving 100% to their jobs while raising small children. It's a fact of life, unless they have a partner who is either stay at home dad or has a flexible schedule. Of course part of the feminist's agenda is make sure women remain in the workforce, even if there is a home life cost. and before you go off on me about that, I completely understand and admire working mothers' challenges. I was one. I am also not saying good old boy working environments don't exist. But a whole class of people are not being shamed out of working in science over the realities of working for a bad boss or two. That happens to EVERYONE.
As if the men have nothing to do with this decision. That men carry on with their careers at the same time they are also fathers while the women are seen as secondary to their careers because they have taken time to have a child. Why does a father get to further his career while a mother has to put on hold her career? Why is one parent punished and the other rewarded or at least not demoted? Are these not fundamental discrepancies?
Perhaps, because society still holds this stigma against women. Perhaps, because historically women were always paid less than men (even for the same job), therefore their job was the one to be jeopardized. Perhaps, because how you stated you think, that a woman in her child bearing years gets second consideration for an important position...
MikeM has hit the nail on the head... thank you.
Unfortunately, this thread started taking on a different life of its on and now is tending towards a completely different subject.
The shirt could have had "f...k you" in various languages written all over it and my response, along with several others, would have been the same... no decorum, no manners. Period.
I would like to see this scenario reversed: a woman wearing a shirt covered with naked bodies of men, exposed in all their glory... Maybe making a political speech, or a dean of some university, etc., or in the company of her husband/boyfriend... how many attacks would she have generated?
As to the comments made in the gulch on "...women will never understand male sexuality..." Well, all I can say is you must have never had a real woman. And, furthermore, how many men understand a woman's sexuality- or does this not exist? " I think he protests too much" as Shakespeare would say.
I am curious, though, to the strong, overt reaction that this thread caused. There is definitely reason to ponder just how far into Atlantis one can get with such elemental lack of respect.
"As if the men have nothing to do with this decision. That men carry on with their careers at the same time they are also fathers while the women are seen as secondary to their careers because they have taken time to have a child. Why does a father get to further his career while a mother has to put on hold her career?"
let's start with this biological fact: men cannot breastfeed. Women are highly empowered in the decision to have children. To say otherwise, well , is not real. everything is a risk and people make decisions on risks and on performance. However, if you have gaps in your career due to child bearing and rearing, that can affect your salary and job prospects. the answer is WORK FOR YOURSELF! not pass laws or shame people into coming down a few pegs to catch back with you. I do not have to defend every comment made on my post. As to your last statement: it is fraught with emotion and no fact. Give me an example. You "feel" your opinion rather than support it logically.
You comment on mine, I comment on yours... am I missing something?
That is your choice. However, thank you for taking the time to do so.
As far as support my comments, about the secondary role of women, history supports my declaration. Look at your grandmother, your mother, your sisters, your friends... Maybe you are one of the lucky ones and never witnessed this kind of discrimination.
Also, it would be hypocritical for me to condemn some moderate level of crassness among men of science.
Your point =?
:)
http://rosetta.jpl.nasa.gov/news/claudia...
between the genders, including shape, form, function
and smell. does this shirt not celebrate differences? == j