Would you serve?
-- LONG POST - please stick with me --
In a day to talk and think about politics more than most other days, when people discuss leadership, and what kind the U.S. needs, I am wondering: if, by some fickle finger of fate, you were elected to office in the House or the Senate, and the recount confirmed it, would you serve?
I have to say "I don't know."
I think what the U.S. needs is individuals who don't want to lead anybody and have to be dragged into office kicking and screaming as if to the gallows. [figuratively, of course; there still is no good reason to initiate force] What should they do once they get there? Tear it down. Start by insisting that every single bureaucrat begin by dismantling his own fief and send everyone home to do something productive, if they can.
Yes, it would be a mess. A hideous, horrible, unforgettable mess, in every way that you can imagine. People will die, and bad things will happen to good people, and some of the science fiction writers will be right.
All the people who, while able-bodied, truly can't do anything at all, will wander and maybe fall under the sway of a group of someones who will say something like Edmund, in Ringo's heroic work which begins with "There will Be Dragons". "We can feed you and rest you for three days. Then you will begin to work through a training program to see what work you may be suited for and might even like. You will learn how to fell trees, run wood through a sawmill, cook, build rudimentary buildings, handle firearms, etc, etc. If you decide that this program is not for you, keep walking. Why am I the one telling you what to do? It's my sawmill. It's his professional kitchen. It's her fabric and thread and needles. We take suggestions every day from 6 to 6:30 in the bath-house. We do not take complaints."
Or, those able bodied but incompetent people might hook up with a bunch of other people just like them, and decide that society always owed them a living before, and it still does, and if they have to take it, they will. And, "If men like Boyle think that force is all they need to rob their betters - let them see what happens when one of their betters chooses to resort to force." - Ragnar Danneskjold
Or Steve Stirling might be right - he started writing a trilogy, now about 9 books, about what happens when no chemical force more complicated than fire works any more. People organize themselves into whatever kind of society they wish [and can get to work]: the Norsemen, the SCA, a Celtic clan, tribal life on the American plains, and more - and life, with all its complications, proceeds.
Those people in Washington who decide not to dismantle their petty kingdoms will be increasingly isolated, and lonely, and....hungry. When they decide to go somewhere, like back to "their" state, probably the best thing they could do is say "no, I don't have any skills, but I'm willing to learn." I imagine if they say something like "I'm [censored]! I'm your Senator! I'm your leader, listen to me!!" they'll be lucky if they've run into a group of Amish or the like, who might just laugh.
Remember, every possible outcome that you can think of, will probably happen. I'm always thinking about what I'll do, and what I might have to do, and whether I could do it, and who I'd want at my back.
I would hope that eventually, there would be stories about the heroes who brought us all back from the brink, and then went home, because they had made sure that there were homes to go back to for as many Americans as possible.
If winning an election had THAT kind of outcome - one that reinvented the Real America, I would reluctantly serve. Not eagerly, but honestly and as ably as I could.
Otherwise? Well, the Wizard had some oral surgery this afternoon and he's taking a nap, covered in cats. I'm feeling a little sleepy myself.
Thank you for your kind attention.
In a day to talk and think about politics more than most other days, when people discuss leadership, and what kind the U.S. needs, I am wondering: if, by some fickle finger of fate, you were elected to office in the House or the Senate, and the recount confirmed it, would you serve?
I have to say "I don't know."
I think what the U.S. needs is individuals who don't want to lead anybody and have to be dragged into office kicking and screaming as if to the gallows. [figuratively, of course; there still is no good reason to initiate force] What should they do once they get there? Tear it down. Start by insisting that every single bureaucrat begin by dismantling his own fief and send everyone home to do something productive, if they can.
Yes, it would be a mess. A hideous, horrible, unforgettable mess, in every way that you can imagine. People will die, and bad things will happen to good people, and some of the science fiction writers will be right.
All the people who, while able-bodied, truly can't do anything at all, will wander and maybe fall under the sway of a group of someones who will say something like Edmund, in Ringo's heroic work which begins with "There will Be Dragons". "We can feed you and rest you for three days. Then you will begin to work through a training program to see what work you may be suited for and might even like. You will learn how to fell trees, run wood through a sawmill, cook, build rudimentary buildings, handle firearms, etc, etc. If you decide that this program is not for you, keep walking. Why am I the one telling you what to do? It's my sawmill. It's his professional kitchen. It's her fabric and thread and needles. We take suggestions every day from 6 to 6:30 in the bath-house. We do not take complaints."
Or, those able bodied but incompetent people might hook up with a bunch of other people just like them, and decide that society always owed them a living before, and it still does, and if they have to take it, they will. And, "If men like Boyle think that force is all they need to rob their betters - let them see what happens when one of their betters chooses to resort to force." - Ragnar Danneskjold
Or Steve Stirling might be right - he started writing a trilogy, now about 9 books, about what happens when no chemical force more complicated than fire works any more. People organize themselves into whatever kind of society they wish [and can get to work]: the Norsemen, the SCA, a Celtic clan, tribal life on the American plains, and more - and life, with all its complications, proceeds.
Those people in Washington who decide not to dismantle their petty kingdoms will be increasingly isolated, and lonely, and....hungry. When they decide to go somewhere, like back to "their" state, probably the best thing they could do is say "no, I don't have any skills, but I'm willing to learn." I imagine if they say something like "I'm [censored]! I'm your Senator! I'm your leader, listen to me!!" they'll be lucky if they've run into a group of Amish or the like, who might just laugh.
Remember, every possible outcome that you can think of, will probably happen. I'm always thinking about what I'll do, and what I might have to do, and whether I could do it, and who I'd want at my back.
I would hope that eventually, there would be stories about the heroes who brought us all back from the brink, and then went home, because they had made sure that there were homes to go back to for as many Americans as possible.
If winning an election had THAT kind of outcome - one that reinvented the Real America, I would reluctantly serve. Not eagerly, but honestly and as ably as I could.
Otherwise? Well, the Wizard had some oral surgery this afternoon and he's taking a nap, covered in cats. I'm feeling a little sleepy myself.
Thank you for your kind attention.
Now, how about part 2? I've said I'd tear the system down and send everybody home. What would you do?
mmmmm...
peach?
What would you do?
Turns out he was a fire fighter.
or maybe be removed BEFORE the next election. why give them a chance to do more damage?
I had stipulated, in thinking about this, that your service would be in concert with 1 or 2 people from every other state, all dragged in kicking and screaming, to do the same thing.
It seems very un-Randian to use the term "serve" at all. It brings me to mind a quote from her speech, delivered to my alma mater, Philosophy: Who Needs It?
"You have chosen to risk your lives for the defense of this country. I will not insult you by saying that you are dedicated to selfless service — it is not a virtue in my morality. In my morality, the defense of one's country means that a man is personally unwilling to live as the conquered slave of any enemy, foreign or domestic. This is an enormous virtue. Some of you may not be consciously aware of it. I want to help you to realize it."
What would I do? Raise as much hell as possible as quickly as I could. (Rand Paul's example against drone assassination on US soil)
Contact everyone in the district that I represent and encourage everyone to rebel in any way that they're capable of including a refusal to pay income tax.
Introduce Bills to eliminate every agency of the government except the Navy and begin an Amendment process to reverse all previous Amendments down to only the Bill of Rights.
Call for a Congressional review of every law on the books with a super majority vote required to retain each or institute any new one.
Call for a complete dump of any and all government information on any topic with the exception of technology.
Call for the complete and total transfer of any and all supposed Federal ownership of lands excepting that detailed in the Constitution.
Do everything else in that vain that I could.
Then expect to be assassinated by someone who's later determined by a government panel to be a crazed lone wolf killer like Oswald.
The first thing I want to do is to get rid of that nasty red carpet that only Senators are allowed to walk on, so no on can interrupt them.
It looks like I'll be running again in 2018, unless I decide to run in '16...
My suggestion was to tear it down, send everybody home, and see what would happen. But I'm serious. DISMANTLE IT.
If I were suddenly thrust into the position you describe, I would have many, many enemies. Serving the public should not be a life long job, it should be a responsibility with few if any compensations. They should earn their keep by a real job not get rich while screwing the public!!! I believe that they would not write legislation that choke businesses because they would be choking themselves...
Jan
(Loved the Nantucket Sterling books and the first 3 of the Emberverse series (I am SCA)...lost track after that; will pick them back up again some day.)
Happy reading!
and remember, you get dragged in and MUST serve. bailing, the most intelligent of the choices, is not a choice.
(I have checked out some of the other books mentioned in this thread and wishlisted them, for future musing.)
Just a feminine intuition* here: I have a feeling that 'they' would be about as successful at MAKING me serve as they would making you serve...
Jan
*officially licensed to have feminine intuitions
At present it takes about $10 mill to win a senate seat plus the volunteer unpaid (unproductive) efforts of thousands of people. It also requires that the candidate leave behind his principles or the major party he "works for" will destroy the candidate by any means possible.
Assumiing that miracle occurs, after the election victory it gets worse unless there are a majority of the senators who have the level of integrity, understanding of history, and ability to be rational that (we in the Gulch know) is needed for the job. That is mathematically impossible in the senate because only 33% of the seats are up for grabs and over 90% are won by incumbants by design. So even if, in a miracle, you win and retain your integrity through the election process, you will be faced with the impossible task of not compromising your principles with 90+ corrupt looters (senators like just re-elected Minnesota Senator Al Franken) and resisting the temptation of nearly limitless power and wealth offered by bankster looters.
Sure, I love a challenge.
Would you serve, under the conditions given?
Ok, doubt there are any Secret Service who would die for me though ;^)
Got it! I'd find the 3 or 4 who were orphans or didn't want to go home, and keep them. The rest, I'd release from service. The good ones would get to keep their service pistol and body armor.
If, by some chance, I could go to the House with a body of like-minded people who amounted to two-thirds of the chamber, I would proceed at once to bring measure to expel the remaining third--in the hope a similar like-minded body in the Senate would do the same in that chamber.
After that, we would bring out the Long Knives. Through impeachment, that is.
About the science-fiction angle: did anyone here ever read, or hear of, a science-fiction book from the late Fifties, called "The Syndic"? In a post-apocalyptic world, two vast organized "crliminal" syndicates inherit full responsibility for keeping some kind of order in the land. Until the bad ol' U.S. government tries to re-emerge.
Problem: you can't impeach a Second Undersecretary in charge of writing the rules by which meat is graded. If he's still there, whatever he does will still have effect.
Then I'd do my best to help the worth-while ones survive with me - or with you and me.
They aren't good.people.
They take.power from you, assault your reality with their lies and manipulation and view life as: Create loss in order to "win".
Good people are what we need in government. Sociopaths are the LAST thing we need.
Both lack a conscience, are immune to boundaries and correction and spend time subduing people for amusement.
Now, sounds even more like our President, doesn't it?
However that would circle back to your lack of emotions premise.
A little ability to relate to others and picture what it's like to be in another's shoes helps a bit.
Reagan was a good president because he had held multiple jobs before getting into politics.
He also WASN'T a lawyer...which helps.considerably.
My curiosity is not so much HOW you got there [which is why I postulated the Fickle Finger of Fate] but what you would do, once there.
I think the last count on the 3-letter agencies is 78,429. oops, there's another one. 78,430.
I take the same attitude about jury service. Sure it oughtn't be compulsory -- but if you want to appoint me to office for a day, I'll go. Maybe I'll be able to get somebody freed who deserves it.
Remember, that Fickle Finger that put you there never said you had to play by anybody else's rules.
Send then home!
every possible trick or slimy deal to dismantle those
bureaucracies which are a cancer on our national ass. -- j
This is one of the most fun "what if?" games I've ever played. Can't you just imagine a Senator's assistant managing to get back to "his" state, and then having to keep his "former job in another state" a secret to keep from having to to go the back of every line, every time? hee, hee, hee.
That being said, I don't want to RUN for office. I don't need that kind of scrutiny or headache. I would serve if appointed, but there is no way I'd put my wife through the special kind of hell that politics has become.
Next, I'd give them a test on the Constitution of the United States. It would have them successfully match up the first ten Amendments to their wordings, then would proceed onto Constitutional duties and limits of each of the three Branches.
If a person couldn't pass both, I'd declare them unfit to serve and send them packing. By my estimates, that would get rid of about 80% of each chamber of Congress and all of the Cabinet.
Can I retire some of the Supreme Court Justices as well? Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan would be out at the snap of my fingers, and I'd demote Roberts and replace him with Alito. I'd nominate Trey Gowdy as a replacement, along with possibly Andrew Napolitano.
Wow. Don't get me started. Now I'm thinking about Constitutional Amendments like "The Federal Government shall not spend more in a single year than their total tax receipts of the second year prior to the budgeted fiscal year." and "Executive Orders shall be subject to the review and approval of both the Senate and House when called for by simple majority vote."
How would the Federal Government GET this money which you [quite rightly] restrict their spending of? You sent all their hired thugs, even the ones with "J.D." after their names, home.
I would definitely do what I could to make our country a freer place, but my service might be more like that of Grant Collins in Larken Rose's The Iron Web. Great book, in my opinion.
I'll read your suggestion - this is a subject that interests me, obviously.
With the Stirling novels, it seemed to me like, from the very beginning of the catastrophe, there were an abundance of people eager to hurt and steal from others. Though I think there are some people like that in the world, I still think most are good and would cooperate. I envision more Junipers and fewer Lord Protectors or even Lord Bear types.
Not to mention all the free stuff they get...just kidding.
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