FAFO, Donald, by Robert Gore

Posted by straightlinelogic 2 days, 13 hours ago to Economics
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Liberation Day has come and gone. If Trump’s War on Foreign Goods (WOFG) is genius, we’ll take idiocy. It’s a stitched-together concatenation based on meretricious metrics, a Son of Smoot-Hawley that will ensure Trump a place in the presidential pantheon right next to Herbert Hoover. Like Hoover, Trump has a business background; like Hoover he never shuts up, and like Hoover he will preside over a disastrous tariff regime.

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The best that can be said of the tariffs is that they will hasten what was going to happen anyway. Trump wants to FA, he will FO. The WOFG will be his biggest mistake since Warp Speed, although both may be eclipsed by nuclear war with Iran. If he makes it to the end of his second term, nobody will be talking about a third, and his visage won’t be the fifth face carved into Mount Rushmore.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 day, 8 hours ago
    First, the only argument I will use to refute this is simple.

    If tariffs are SO BAD of an idea. Why is it EVERY country charges US Tariffs? And where is their suffering?

    The argument that all Tariffs are BAD... And destroys the country that uses them... Fails the logical test that many countries, CHINA included, do just fine with Tariffs.

    So... Why can't we?

    Next up. We are one of the few countries in the world that could close up our borders, and do quite well. We have Wood, Food, Ash, etc.

    You know what we don't have? The basics to make things here. We can't produce our own Antibiotics... That's INSANITY.

    And Walmart just proved that the tariffs don't always increase the cost to the consumer. Many times, the producer has to pay them, to stay competitive. Walmart called "There's a 10% tariff on X. You need to lower your price 10% so we don't see it!" And they companies are doing it.

    Also, lets play the game HONESTLY. A 10% tariff on an item at walmart that SELLS for $10 is NOT $1... Walmart pays $3 for that item, maybe $5. The item would get a 50 Cent Tariff.

    The seller will EAT some of that. And they usually do. Lets say they eat 1/2. Now you are talking a 0.25 (A Quarter) increase on a $10 item.

    First, I can survive the $11 price, but count me as special. But going from $10 to $10.25
    BIDEN did worse than that to the American people, and we were told his Economy was "Glorious".

    Perspective matters. We are bankrupt.
    Trump is trying to increase our position, and decrease our wasteful spending.

    He is trying to drive investments to make things here. Like the iPhone, and the new Chips. And we will get those things here (without the EPA).

    Yeah, FA and FO.
    I believe on this one. We will FO that the long-term benefits of Tariffs are inline with why other countries had them against us!

    Let the guy cook. I commit to giving him 10yrs for his plans to work. And I expect he will get ZERO thank yous when they do, if he is still around.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
      'If tariffs are SO BAD of an idea. Why is it EVERY country charges US Tariffs?'

      They do not ask or charge us to pay them a tax or duty for a purchase, but rather ask their purchasers of US goods to pay a tax to their treasury, just as a US tariff on a foreign good asks the purchaser to pay a duty or tax to the US treasury, i.e.,to remove the tariff from the economy and send it to the US government.

      Rand was very clear about discussions, to define your terms.In discussions on tariffs, e.g., each side uses a different definition of tariff, one is favorable to standard of living and one that in long run reduces the standard of living by reducing purchasing power.
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  • Posted by rhfinle 1 day, 8 hours ago
    The way globalism has progressed, the US is hemorrhaging money to outside powers and getting little in return, besides SMIC (Shit made in China).
    The people who are screaming the loudest are the importers such as Walmart and Harbor Freight.
    Meanwhile industries close up here and lay off workers so that some kid in the far east can work.
    Enough's enough. Prior to WWII, the US produced most of what we consumed, and half of what everyone else did. I would rather pay higher prices and have local workers start producing and competing again.
    It appears that, at least, in the agricultural sectors, they are praising Trump, because for years local farmers have been driven out of business as the bih importers have been dumping cheap foreign products on our market.
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    • Posted by CaptainKirk 11 hours, 43 minutes ago
      So, I agree. But lets be clear here.
      The Banksters LOOTED every country, and they used the USA PoW (Proof of Weapons) as their backing, and EXPORTED the INFLATION they were guaranteed to generate.

      And any country that didn't play their game. Well, we'd call them commies, and LIBERATE them. And then REBUILD THEM with taxpayer money. And claim "Hero Status".

      I realize now. We were a great ideal that was stolen around 1913 when a small group usurped control of the money, and then of our country!

      Now we have to suffer along side of them, to shake the disease.
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    • Posted by teri-amborn 14 hours, 52 minutes ago
      The problem with manufacturing arose in the 1990s when President Clinton sold our manufacturing base to China.

      In the decades that followed, the USA lost early training for manufacturing jobs by eliminating industrial arts from high school curriculum.

      In addition, the people who truly work (baby-boomers) are retiring in droves.

      Unfortunately, President Trump's policy decisions aren't based in reality and reason. They won't work.
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      • Posted by CaptainKirk 11 hours, 47 minutes ago
        Aided, of course, by the EPA through the Deep State. The EPA shut down every industry, in the order that the big investors were ready to off-shore. I don't have proof other than how we don't seem to miss a beat while we are being dismantled.!
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        • Posted by teri-amborn 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
          The EPA was established by Richard Nixon (?!) to deal with some very large environmental problems during the 1970s .

          The problem with this is:
          Once a "governmet organization" (an oxymoron, to be sure...) is established, it's job becomes to sustain itself by spending all of it's budget so that it gets next year's budget increase.

          There isn't an "end-game" to solving problems. The game eventually evolves into creating problems in order solve the problems that THEY CREATED !

          Nothing good can ever come from that.
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      • Posted by rhfinle 10 hours, 51 minutes ago
        Clinton screwed us in the '90's by making China a "Most Favored Trading Nation", legally on par with the UK, Japan, Germany & France. American companies were enticed to buy from China instead of the US, and now they were legally required to treat the Chinese exporters fairly.
        High school education, as you say, took a college prep route. Even in the '70's, kids who went to Vocational School were looked down upon. Even before that, the government had outlawed most child labor, finally destroying the apprentice system which worked well for thousands of years, so now we have kids who can fre Willy and save the whales, but can't run a drill press.
        As far as Trump's tariffs, though, when many say they won't work, why are they working so well for all these other countries?
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      • Posted by mccannon01 11 hours, 29 minutes ago
        Good point, teri-amborn, but it began long before the '90s. The one and only letter I ever wrote a congressman was in the early '70s addressing the trade problems with Japan and their tariffs on our goods. The response was a so-what-I-didn't-even-read-your-note form letter and that was the end of that. The rest is history. Move up to 1986 and I was on a research project at a steel mill outside of Pittsburgh, Pa. in an effort to improve the quality of plated coil stock. One of the lunch meetings was held on one of the upper floors in a building overlooking the point where the Ohio, Allegheny, and Monongahela rivers converged. I was standing by the window taking in the sight when a steel mill VP came up next to me and pointed out two bridges crossing the rivers. The older bridge on the left was made with American steel and the newer one on the right was made with Japanese steel. He explained since the government had to go with the lowest bidder, how could scrap metal be shipped to Japan from say-Wisconsin, turned into bridge steel, and shipped back to Pittsburgh cheaper than an American mill virtually down the road? He warned me not to think "American unions" because that is a BS answer. He said the reason is Japan currently subsidizes the hell out of their mills and while America taxes the hell out of its mills. He also said Japanese tariffs and regulations against American steel and steel products are such that US Steel couldn't sell a rivet in Tokyo. There were no such barriers against Japanese steel coming to America. Yeah, this crap has been going on a long time.

        Side story to the big story: In 1986 I was installing research equipment on a plating line in a steel mill not far from Pittsburgh and always got chatty with the folks doing the work. I was told one of the operators (let's call him Charlie) that retired a few years back had a legendary encounter. The management of the mill was bringing a delegation of Japanese steel manufacturers through on a tour (industrial spy mission, actually) and when they got to Charlie's station on the plating line he was asked to explain what he was doing and how the line worked. Charlie just huffed and turned his back rather rudely so the manager in charge asked him why he was being rude. Charlie, red faced and furrowed brow, answered in hearing range of the Japanese, "I didn't tell those yellow bastards anything on Bhutan and I'm not telling them anything now!". They quickly moved on.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 2 days, 9 hours ago
    Isn’t this just a Malthusian Catastrophe applied to economics? Malthus opined that for non-human mammals’ population increases exponentially while resources increase only linearly. Hence the population collapses and the population/resources balance is restored and the population’s survival is insured.

    If we apply this to the Federal debt, then when the increase in debt reaches exponential levels and the resources to service this debt grow linearly, then economic collapse is guaranteed.

    The day of reckoning can be delayed by the massive injection of counterfeit (fiat) currency (Wiemar Republic style) but in the end to no avail.

    I wonder how many humans will have to die before a balance is restored?
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  • Posted by Lucky 2 days, 11 hours ago
    The deficit, the debt ..
    Did I miss it, or is it not there - any mention in the article of US gov debt?
    What is it at this moment? A few dozen trillions?

    What Trump is doing is raising money to slow the rise in debt. This is in parallel with reducing gov expenditure -see DOGE - tariffs seem, so far, to be immune to Obama Judge interference.

    Tariffs will increase prices, yes, but I'd argue there is voluntary element to paying a higher price in that a customer can decline to purchase, unlike tax on income.

    Any policy creates friends and foes. Trump's two-prong attempt to save the economy and the currency by tariffs could work.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 1 day, 10 hours ago
      At least Trump has the sheer guts too few career politicians have to do something different about sliding down the deadly slippery slope Deep State greedy fools and kickback crooks have created. Hell awaits at the bottom of that deep pit.
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    • Posted by Rex_Little 1 day, 10 hours ago
      tariffs seem, so far, to be immune to Obama Judge interference.

      I'm more than a little surprised by this. The President can't raise or lower income tax rates, or change income tax rules, without going through Congress, and I've always assumed it was the same with tariffs.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 6 hours, 46 minutes ago
    Trump FA'd during his first term. He found out, and yet he survived. Paybacks are going to be hell for those thought they could FA with him. Rather than politically and judicially pursue their enemies like Obama and Biden, Trump exposes his enemies to the harsh economic realities of exposure to what is normally behind the political curtain.
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  • Posted by amhunt 1 day, 3 hours ago
    "It is only as retaliation that force may be used and only against the man who starts its use. No, I do not share his evil or sink to his concept of morality: I merely grant him his choice, destruction, the only destruction he had the right to choose: his own."
    Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, Part III, Ch. 7.
    It seems to me that President Trump is retaliating. One may argue that he could possibly do a better job but at least (as I see it) he is struggling to get there. I haven't seen his like since Ronald Regan.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 12 hours ago
    The mathematical method used to calculate a country's so called tariff value in the administration's chart may be questioned, but all it points out is the final value is called by the wrong name. Perhaps instead of calling it a tariff value, plunder value may be a bit more accurate because it includes other barriers and currency manipulation in the mix and if Trump needs to impose a tariff to offset another country's plunder value, then so be it. On a case by case basis it may be found the plunder value is a bit high or not high enough, but that's what negotiations and deals are made of. You have to start somewhere.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
      Sounds like there should be a tariff against everything the EPA does to harm American businesses.
      The EPA is arguably a worse enemy than any foreign power.
      But speaking of plundering honest people, the banking/WallSt cartel is even worse.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 15 hours, 1 minute ago
    The key to making big decisions is to think things through thoroughly.

    See your actions and words through the lens of the other person and then decide whether or not to act.

    I hope that President Trump can put aside his agenda and see his moves more globally.

    It's never a good idea to create enemies, if avoidable.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 5 hours, 57 minutes ago
      IMHO he IS seeing globally as in America is getting screwed on a worldwide basis. Trade barriers on American goods, NATO, and the UN just to name a few. How did America get stuck dealing with the Houthies (sp?) rather than the EU? Taiwan and Japan want our carrier groups off their shores, but make it damn hard to sell a Ford in Taipei or Tokyo. China wants to sell anything in the US, but try to buy a Harley in Beijing for a reasonable price. It's about time America got leadership with enough moxie to extend a middle finger salute to the world.
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      • Posted by teri-amborn 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
        America is "getting screwed" because we are the prostitute.

        Henry Kissinger was correct when he stated that the overall inconsistent foreign policy of the United States would be our demise.

        We are sometimes the peacemakers and sometimes the creators of wars (depending upon who is in charge and what that particular President decides is important).

        I love this country but the politicians since WWII have been spreading this country's "legs" mighty wide.

        If I were other nations, I would certainly take a "wait-and-see" attitude toward this new administration.

        Hopefully, these "tarriff wars" will end in many thoughtful free-trade agreements.

        For now, I'll take a "wait-and-see" attitude.
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