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Justifying Their Employment

Posted by $ rainman0720 1 day, 6 hours ago to Government
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There are articles all over the internet about what Musk and DOGE are doing in regards to Federal workers having to prove that they're actually earning their salaries.

First, I worked almost 45 years as a programmer writing application code before I retired. I can honestly say that other than the initial training on a new job, there wasn't one single day of my entire career where I didn't have to account for my day. Put another way, I had to list what I got done every single day of my working life. So these whining little twerps are getting absolutely no sympathy from me.

Second, all Musk is doing is asking them to justify their position. And to that, I say this: If they can't justify why they have a job, then they shouldn't have that job. If they can't prove that they're actually earning what they're getting paid, then screw 'em. Let them find work in the private sector. If they think that simply listing what you get done each day is too much to ask, they're going to be in for a big surprise once they get a job with someone other than the government.

OK, I'll get off my soapbox now.


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  • Posted by $ Commander 16 hours, 27 minutes ago
    Here's another idea regarding "justifying employment". What if there are ghost accounts. A non-response prompts investigation. If there are disbursements, stop them, then investigate the recipient trail for fraud.
    This works for SS, Medicare, Medicaid and a host of other departmental employees/activities.

    Makes me wonder about my County/City/school systems. Already found Act Blue fraud in my area.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 20 hours, 2 minutes ago
    I had a good run with a state government. Here's the deal. The Pareto Principal is alive in well in state government. Take the square root of the number of people in the staff and understand that that many of them are doing 90% of the work. Once you establish yourself in that you're one of the workers, you work! You are expected to work. You're held to a higher standard. Those in the worker class should be able to easily keep their jobs. The rest are squabbling about it. Screw em... When I left my post the top chief (who I get along with great) asked me for one piece of advice. I said, "Close the office in the southern half of the state." They were unsupervised and a constant source of problems. He already knew it...
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 1 day, 1 hour ago
    I spend about one day per year justifying my shrug job. What is the big deal?
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    • Posted by $ 49 minutes ago
      I sqy this out of total ignorance; I don't know if what I'm saying is true, or total bull. But I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of jobs that people do fall into one of three categories (and maybe some overlap into more than one).

      First, you're given a checklist of things you need to get done, and you're judged by whether or not you got them done. For example, my wife is a retired dietitian. Each day, she had a list of people in the hospital that she needed to see. She had to get through that list, or explain why she couldn't get through it.

      Second, one or people see (or everyone sees) it when you don't get done what you're supposed to get done on any given day. The first example would be a surgeon; you screw something up, a whole bunch of people see it. Or, if you're a pilot and crash a plane, then everyone sees it. Either way, you're judged by whether or not you get them done.

      Third, people like programmers, who have to report what we got done each day. We all had assignments to get done, and a good chunk of what my company billed for my time and efforts was based on those status reports.

      Now to the point: If you had a job where you didn't have to account for what you did, I strongly suspect that you are in a small minority, And please don't get mad or think I'm judging in any way; it's merely a feeling that, based on my experience, places you in that small minority,
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  • Posted by diessos 1 day, 3 hours ago
    I agree rainman0720. I also spend 40+ years in IT and was always held accountable for anything I did. I've also been watching their reaction to being let laid off. I know it's not easy to deal with, but I was downsized TWICE in my career and had to start all over again. My only advice to them is.... IT HAPPENS...THATS LIFE.. DEAL WITH IT AND MOVE ON.

    Also, maybe all the fired government workers will move out of northern Virginia and Maryland and turn those states red.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 1 day, 5 hours ago
    I couldn't have worded it better, rainman0720. Same profession and I had to account for every hour charged while working for corporate America. When I started contracting, it was all merit based - that is, if you didn't do a good job no customer would call you back or refer you to others. Produce or go hungry.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
    I had to fill out weekly activity reports for the first two years I worked for the State of Washington. It kept me solidly on task and my managers knew it.

    The USFS personnel, a mile away, were required to literally reapply for their own jobs, every year.

    These actions were nerve wracking only to those who knew they couldn't justify their employment.
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    • Posted by $ 57 minutes ago
      Your last point is an excellent one, and one I hadn't considered. Those that are contributing members of their particular departments won't have a problem documenting what they do, and I'll just about guarantee they aren't the ones whining about it. I've noticed that about the lefties: The louder they kick and scream at something I say, the closer I know I am to the truth. Sounds exactly like what we're hearing now.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
    You are right ... so right!

    They are acting like this is an assertion they don't contribute. This is an opportunity to show how much. Almost everyone in private employment has to do this. Why should those being PAID by people in private employment do it?

    Overhead jobs should ALWAYS be the most tenuous. The government is 100% overhead!
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  • Posted by $ gharkness 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
    CPA here. I had to account for every work hour in 15-minute increments. So...absolutely no concern or sympathy for these coddled federal workers. ETA: and for all the ridiculous sob-stories about how they "need" the job and "oh what ever will I do?" Cry me a river. My engineer husband worked contract for years, on and off with mixed-in regular job stints. I never knew when he was going to get sent home unexpectedly - contracts were cancelled, things (like 9/11) happened, and I saved money accordingly.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 13 hours, 20 minutes ago
    Never thought about it until just now, I never worked in the dark, My efforts, production, contributions were center stage. No where to hide and I never resented it, in fact, I reveled in the experience. Never had to call attention to it, it was a given.
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    • Posted by $ 6 hours, 35 minutes ago
      I never thought about it either, but it was the same for me. I walked point for production support for probably 39 of my 45 years in the business. Any time any program did anything other than what it was supposed to do, I had to figure out a) what went wrong and b) how to fix it. Meanwhile, all or part of the entire production floor was waiting on me to fix it.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 39 minutes ago
    In all honesty. There have already been numerous cases where one person acquired multiple jobs and remotely managed them, collecting full time salaries and doing very little work.

    In the government you could probably have 10 different jobs as already mentioned.

    For me, this is a proof of life type question.

    Also, I am 100% okay with not asking FBI Agents, and CIA, NSA, etc. To do this. Because they could accidentally leak information (Item 2: Worked with CIA on making Trump look bad)

    There is no issue in the ASK.
    But I think if you are in the protected Agency, you SHOULD provide a Proof of Life email to your boss.

    Now, I am not sure how to handle Under Cover people.

    But 99% of our government should not be in those groups.

    Besides Kash and Bongino will clean house in the FBI soo enough...
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