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  • Posted by $ Commander 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Walter, a beautiful work.
    Yet, I did not learn these percepts or concepts from Western philosophicals. I learned these through 81 poems from approximately 2600 years past. Socrates, Plato and Aristotle seem to have an Eastern trinity in balance; Lao Tzu, Cuang Tzu and Confucius within China.
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    • Posted by 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Hello Commander. That is interesting indeed. You find in all these sources some version of the idea that all human beings are "equal" in the value of their fundamental nature, their potential moral worth, and their rights. SOME version? I first saw the idea in Thomas Sowell that the concept of universalism, "all men are created equal"--metaphysically, of course--originated in the West in the Age of Enlightenment. Chiefly John Locke.
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      • Posted by $ Commander 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        Forty six years ago, within a couple of months, I read Anthem and an interpretation of Tao .... synchronicity.

        Since, exploration into Western philosophical realm always leads me back to the simplicity of Tao. Universal maxims of mortality and values shall always rise and ebb regardless the source.

        I understand Rand had knowledge of Socratic constructs, that of Neitzsche and Kant, Locke and Bastiat as foundational.
        Perhaps a decade past I read The Objectivist's Ethics. It meshes cleanly with the Eastern. I tried to tear it apart and disprove ..... more fool me. I found more validity in both works. I only found two shortcomings with Rand; that of her lack of first hand experience whilst expressing things of "Nature" (I grew up field and stream - farming, foraging, forestry and fishing - first hand experience) and that The Objectivist's Ethics lacked the incorporation of the emotional context of "I Care" and it's necessary extension of empathy. If I do not care for self and have depth of that care resulting in empathy towards others I do not have the base for objective values and evaluation of my life.

        The following poems are an interpretation of Tao published in 1944 by Witter Bynner; The Way Of Life According To Lao Tzu. Bynner spent many years with a Chinese linguist laboring of the work. I had "ticked" off about ten towards response toward your posting, and then cool weather maifest and demanded I get to my garden and outside chores.

        Enjoy

        1
        Existence is beyond the power of words
        To define:
        Terms may be used
        But are none of them absolute.
        In the beginning of heaven and earth there were no words,
        Words came out of the womb of matter;
        And whether a man dispassionately
        Sees to the core of life
        Or passionately
        Sees the surface,
        The core and the surface
        Are essentially the same,
        Words making them seem different
        Only to express appearance.
        If name be needed, wonder names them both:
        From wonder into wonder
        Existence opens.

        2
        People through finding something beautiful
        Think something else unbeautiful,
        Through finding one man fit
        Judge another unfit.
        Life and death, though stemming from each other, seem to conflict as
        stages of change,
        Difficult and easy as phases of achievement,
        Long and short as measures of contrast,
        High and low as degrees of relation;
        But, since the varying of tones gives music to a voice
        And what is the was of what shall be,
        The sanest man
        Sets up no deed,
        Lays down no law,
        Takes everything that happens as it comes,
        As something to animate, not to appropriate,
        To earn, not to own,
        To accept naturally without self-importance:
        If you never assume importance
        You never lose it.

        3
        It is better not to make merit a matter of reward
        Lest people conspire and contend,
        Not to pile up rich belongings
        Lest they rob,
        Not to excite by display
        Lest they covet.
        A sound leader's aim
        Is to open people's hearts,
        Fill their stomachs,
        Calm their wills,
        Brace their bones
        And so to clarify their thoughts and cleanse their needs
        That no cunning meddler could touch them:
        Without being forced, without strain or constraint,
        Good government comes of itself.
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        • Posted by 2 months, 2 weeks ago
          Thanks, a very different and illuminating perspective. Not sure they have anything much to do with universalism, but perhaps I have blinders for the Western perspective. Thanks, again.
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          • Posted by $ Commander 2 months, 2 weeks ago
            Might this be that "Western" is more of focus on the "mechanics" than the thematic?
            This would be representative of discernment between the US Constitution and all the regulatory Statute development, as example.
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