I might get tossed from the Gulch, but I've got two questions
I know I’m potentially setting myself up to get blown out of the Gulch, but I’ve got two questions I have to get off my chest. If this post costs me my Gulch membership, so be it. These questions are not—I repeat, NOT—directed at any one person. But I am putting them out because I want to hear what others think. I simply have no answer to either of them.
And with these two questions, I grab both third rails: Abortion, and the T part of the letter group.
My first question: If you are a practitioner of any modern Christian religion, it’s likely that your faith believes that life begins at conception. In this position, how in the Hell can you vote for a Democrat? Yes, this is a huge generality, and I know there are exceptions, but as a group, Democrats pretty much support abortion, in some cases damn near up until the time of birth. How can you possibly vote for a candidate who will do his/her best to enact laws not only allowing abortion, but actually encouraging it, and thereby violating one of the basics of your faith?
My second question: If you’re female, how in the hell can you vote for candidates who want to, quite literally, take away the things you’ve worked so hard to obtain? Again, yes, it’s a generality, but as a whole, Democrats are doing everything they can to erase all of the benefits you’ve rightfully finally obtained with Title IX by allowing biological males to compete against—and more often than not, defeat—biological females. How many scholarships, Olympic opportunities, etc., and the resulting downstream opportunities, have been lost because of this Democrat-driven trans-mania we are being forced to endure? How can you vote for someone who, for all practical purposes, won’t even acknowledge your existence?
I’m sorry, but I honestly do not understand how a Christian person or a woman could possibly vote Democrat, since so damn many of their policies run counter to your beliefs, your tenets, even your biology.
Fire away, Gulchers.
And with these two questions, I grab both third rails: Abortion, and the T part of the letter group.
My first question: If you are a practitioner of any modern Christian religion, it’s likely that your faith believes that life begins at conception. In this position, how in the Hell can you vote for a Democrat? Yes, this is a huge generality, and I know there are exceptions, but as a group, Democrats pretty much support abortion, in some cases damn near up until the time of birth. How can you possibly vote for a candidate who will do his/her best to enact laws not only allowing abortion, but actually encouraging it, and thereby violating one of the basics of your faith?
My second question: If you’re female, how in the hell can you vote for candidates who want to, quite literally, take away the things you’ve worked so hard to obtain? Again, yes, it’s a generality, but as a whole, Democrats are doing everything they can to erase all of the benefits you’ve rightfully finally obtained with Title IX by allowing biological males to compete against—and more often than not, defeat—biological females. How many scholarships, Olympic opportunities, etc., and the resulting downstream opportunities, have been lost because of this Democrat-driven trans-mania we are being forced to endure? How can you vote for someone who, for all practical purposes, won’t even acknowledge your existence?
I’m sorry, but I honestly do not understand how a Christian person or a woman could possibly vote Democrat, since so damn many of their policies run counter to your beliefs, your tenets, even your biology.
Fire away, Gulchers.
Pregnancy: The state of a female who has within her ovary or womb a fecundated germ, which gradually becomes developed in the latter receptacle. (Black's law)
Fecundated: As to human beings, the fecundation of the female ovum by the male spermatozoon resulting in human life capable of survival and maturation under normal conditions (Black's law)
1. Abortion is not a normal condition. 2. Rape is not a normal condition of conception. 3. A mother's mortality in jeopardy during pregnancy is not a normal condition. 4. A sever malformation of the fetus is not a normal condition. 5. Miscarriage is not a normal condition.
1. Hedonism is a normal condition of conception (extraordinarily popular). 2. Ignorance is a normal condition of conception (rare).
All one need do is find the lawful argument in Federal or State law regarding preservation of Life. I'm not making the argument one way or other. If someone can add objective normalcy or non, let's begin the consensus process.
Remember this: The folks calling out "My body my choice" are the ones demanding others participate in unwanted medical practices on far too regular basis. They also use Life and mortality by which their "standard" is upheld.
Beautifully said.
I observe, I think, I feel, I reason. I try to condense to objective maxims, based upon what I learned from The Objectivist's Ethics.
Every time I hear both sides argue about it, I get very frustrated. Neither side is looking at it correctly.
I have arrived at a logical resolution to the abortion question that is final and simple to understand. It is based on two concepts:
1. One's body is their property
2. One is under no obligation to save another life.
If a woman's body is her property and she is under no obligation to save her child's life then she must be allowed to remove anything growing in her body (including the fetus). However, all attempts must be made by the doctor to preserve the life of the fetus. Unfortunately, unless the fetus is nearly fully developed, it cannot survive outside of the womb. Maybe the doctor can transplant it into a willing participant, if that is medically possible. However, under no circumstances should the woman be forced to carry the fetus to term if she is not willing to do so because that would be a violation of her property rights. The woman is not a slave of the fetus or anybody else, she doesn't have to keep the fetus alive inside of her if she doesn't want to.
Additionally, the fetus is life, but so is a chicken and a cow. I'm not seeing anybody complaining about them getting aborted way past their birth. The fact that the fetus has a human genome doesn't matter. Humans are not necessarily special in any way. The ONLY difference between a human and an animal that gives humans special status is that they can communicate and agree to give each other rights. Well, a fetus isn't developed yet to the point that it is able to understand or agree to any sort of social contract. Even if you allow the fetus to grow to adulthood, who knows, it might grow up to be a serial killer. So, unless there is an agreement between the doctor and the fetus that the fetus will grow up and be cooperative member of society, the doctor is actually under no obligation to preserve the fetus. However, just in case the fetus will be a good member of society, I would at least try to preserve its life. Unfortunately, currently there are no attempts made to do that, as far as I understand. In fact, sometimes they kill the fetus before they take it out. I would not support doing such things.
i pity you that view of Life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oXqQ...
Humans are not the center of the universe. It is arrogant to think that they are. If we are going to work things out logically then we need to drop such ridiculous notions. Logic doesn't care if you are human.
But, to your questions, yea, I wonder what the excuse is for either also.
However, I don't think you'll find too many demoncraps here in an Ayn Rand Community.
If I were you, I'd post these questions on fascist book and X, or all the other Social Media sites.
:-)
To see how completely disconnected from reality these folks are, there's a conservative gay drag queen (that alone makes you think) who goes by the name "Lady MAGA" who's been confronting the crowd of "Queers for Palestine" and asking them about their support for an organization that would kill them. None of the ones he questioned had a clue that being anything but straight in Islam is a death sentence, but it gets worse. Not one he questioned even knew that Israel wasn't an Islamic state, but Jewish, and all were astonished to learn that Israel recognizes Gay Pride month.
I agree, I do not understand how a thinking Christian can vote Democrat.
My question, however, is how have we allowed the governing machine to posit only two choices for political leadership on our ballots? Don't you think that maybejust maybe* they all work together to maintain their livelihoods? Perhaps there are entities at some level that steer and direct the population to two choices, both of whom can be steered "by hook or by crook" into decisions that benefit only the entities behind the whole affair?
I have voted Republican at times because I agreed with more of their stand than the Democrats, but I have yet to hear a platform that I can wholeheartedly stand behind.
The sheer fact that we can openly devalue human life through justifying and normalizing abortion is enough to demonstrate enmity between the Democratic party and
The God I know and serve.
Not very objectivist of me, but I am willing to risk being kicked out of clubs/town/church/the gulch for my views as well. It wouldn't be the first time. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oXqQ...
no sane person votes democrat
those that due are deluding themselves
the GOP is not much better, but right now we are stuck with 2 parties.
The essence of humor is the unexpected and that was a particular question I was not expecting at all.
I'm a Christian and I do not vote Demonerratic. Oops did I misspell that? I don't care.
When I first showed up, some Gulchers called admitted Christians mystics. I looked the word up and on this board I admitted that by that word's definition I am a mystic.
Think at one point I added "Oogaboogah!" Or maybe I just wanted to. That was way back. Whatever, I just did that now.
Democrats would lose without the FEMALE vote.
In fact, across the board, Men are far more conservative, and women are far more liberal (until they get married and have something to protect).
Let that guide PART of your answer.
Next, Rights vs. Freedoms.
I may not have a RIGHT to do something, but I often have the Freedom to do it. (Pissing behind a building, in a city, out of desperation).
The T thing is just mental illness, and needs to go back to being viewed/treated that way. Sorry. If you feel that strongly you are in the wrong body. Then it is far more likely your FEELINGS are WRONG than your body is wrong. (Even given a lack of Testosterone bathing your "male" brain could be the root of your extra feminine tendencies).
I am sorry you see the Democrats as the problem.
Fix your glasses. The DEEP STATE is the problem, and whatever they want, they get, with VETO PROOF bills when they need it.
The color of the Jersey doesn't matter to the Deep State. They are in control.
They will keep dividing us... Because if we EVER UNITE against the Deep State. And we start CHARGING/EXECUTING them. (NIFO as FFA would say).
Then we would wrest control from them.
They would RATHER SEE WWIII with a Nuclear Holocaust than lose that power.
I hold Biden personally responsible for every single Covid "vaccine" death. Why? Because ultimately, he mandated them for government workers. While my husband and I have not had severe repercussions (we took J&J and stopped while we were "ahead,") plenty of people did.
On to Title IX. I have ZERO interest in sports of any kind; yet this is really not a sports question. It's a question of people being what they are, and behaving like it.
IF NOTHING ELSE: A=A, and as far as I am concerned, that's the END of the trans conversation. Anyone who cannot comprehend that (I know WE all know what A=A means) is not fit to live in a civilized society, and they certainly should not be allowed to vote. This stance has cost me my relationship with my only daughter.
In further answer to your question, I can only say that it appears the Dim-wits I've talked to either cannot comprehend what has actually happened, or their political mentors have somehow successfully hid from them the repercussions of what they are doing. They actually think WE are the "dumb" ones.
Hell no, no hell.
which means you cannot go out and keep doing the same "sins"
If the 'sleeping dogs' would just lay there it would be one thing. But not only do they lie, they cheat and sometimes rape.
If the gov would rescind the illogical changes and stay out of it, that would be fine. I have not seen any sign that they are going to do that.
I have always thought, if you can terminate your child, why stop at birth. You know how pesky teenagers can get (yes, that's sarcasm).
In all seriousness, you know when you're pregnant, waiting until the child is viable, is Infanticide. Plenty of people want children and can't have them. Chose adoption.
Any serious study of Margret Sanger and planned parenthood know it's founding is based on Eugenics.
This is the real reason why minorities and the poor represent the vast majority of Infanticide.
Riddle me this Batman:
How many women pretend to be men so they can compete in men's sports?
Right? Case closed.
God made you who you are.
Was he wrong? Did he make a mistake?
When you fight Gods will, the price is very high.
It might take a while to realize it. People with gender confusion are, statistically, at much higher risk of suicide and self mutilation.
How much of this madness (and it is a form of mental illness, prove me wrong) is media driven?
Right? Case closed."
I thought of three follow-up questions in regard to men competing against women, especially when the so-called "experts" claim there is no difference.
If that's true, if there really isn't a difference, then:
1. Why do men play 5-set tennis matches, when women only play 3-set matches?
2. Why is the women's basketball 4/10 of an inch smaller in diameter than the men's basketball ?
3. Why is the word record 100m dash for men almost one second faster than the women's world record? (9.58 vs 10.49)?
With that said I am pro life and don't need a religion to take that stance. The topic has been well beaten in the Gulch with various viewpoints represented. Nobody got thrown out.
Regarding males competing in female sports, IMHO NO WAY even if they are pretending to be female! Back in high school wrestling was part of the physical education curricula and we had to step on a scale to separate weight classes to make the matches more "matched". Males and females are essentially different classes determined at the scale of birth and allowing direct competition is a mismatch from the get go, which is one of the main reasons for Title IX in the first place. You can paint stripes on a cow and call it a zebra, but it is still a cow.
I'm no female, but I have a daughter. I think this whole tranny sports thing is a farce. It's anti-women. The left is anti-women.
I don't get all your hand wringing over "tossed from the Gulch", etc. We're grownups here. Your questions seem legit.
On the topic of the Democommies, let us grab the third of the third rails for completeness. Why would any person of Jewish persuasion ever vote Democommie? Yet this community has always been a trusted portion of the Democommie voting block when all of the Democommie practices are decidedly anti-Jewish. I really do not understand this situation and certainly do not wish any Jewish person ill.
A: They didn't believe reality. They accepted brainwashing propaganda.
(No, they didn't deserve that treatment either.)
Often folks vote "feelings and talking points" rather than "thoughts". They will confer with their "tribe" and then vote in lock-step.
A slow awakening is happening because of the efforts of the THINKING CLASS. Alternative media is leading the way.
This seeming balance was to prevent constant bloodshed between the groups. Give people the illusion of having some powers and rights kept civil wars to a minimum. Subdividing the two groups into more would splinter the interest groups into unmanageable minorities. Whether the two major groups are called Torys or Whigs, or Republicans and Democrats, or elite vs. commoners, the division of property and power between the upper and lower classes prevailed. Everyone needs to eat, but what and how much, at what cost, defines the social structures. Dividing into more and more subsidiary groups is a formula for civil war.
From these premises, abortion can become desirable to reduce population growth. And increase in gender deviation is another trick of nature to reduce population growth. Then it’s just a question as to whose population is to shrink, by whose manipulation.
As for intermingling of genders in sports, that goes against the original assignment of gender divisions. If third and fourth categories are to join in the competitions, let them be their own categories, not mixed into the standard male and female sections. By all means let individuals be what they wish to declare themselves to be--in their own designated divisions, not secreted into the historical definitions. There...fairness to all.
so we are left with two that protect each other
Can’t agree with you more on the second though. Mentally deficient trans 0.001% of men (somehow it just never happens in women-T’s) have NO BUSINESS competing in women’s sports. My solution is either 1) you compete with the gender you were born as (period), or 2) we eliminate gendered sports , and just have sports. Everyone in the same group.
And I would never support silencing you from the Gulch for asking such a benign question! Going insane, illogical and inflammatory in your responses to differing opinions, like mine? Maybe.
Abortion should be between you and your God. The government should have little say. Elected officials can do nothing to effect it one way of the other. Crime is the same thing, either you're for it or against it. The laws only give us a common ground. Break them we break you. As far as the gender thing, I predict it will go away, or at least fizzle out. The laws, if there are any, will be abolished as soon as we get a leader with a human brain. Are you aware that my State, I'm embarrassed to say, still has some ridiculous laws on the books. No buying meat on Sundays, no simultaneous dancing and drinking, no pretending your parents are wealthy, no biting off another's leg, no harassing bigfoot, no X-Ray Specs. Look up your own State, you'll find all kinds of weird stuff our politicians put in and never took out. Maybe we could use a few of them to jail our politicians, like catching them buying meat on Sunday and prosecuting them under the law.
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