"If Gavin gets on the ballot he wins."

No he doesn't.

"A March Rasmussen Reports survey of 912 likely voters found that former President Trump would lead by 17 points (51 percent to 34) if Newsom were the 2024 Democratic nominee."
--Newsweek, June 28

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...

Well, like the Bee says, "U.S. — Despite a significant majority of the nation now believing President Biden mentally unfit for office, the Democratic Party has decided to stay with Biden as its nominee as it would be a huge pain to reprint the tens of thousands of ballots they already filled out."

Has anyone noticed that the Bee is more of a true media source, no longer actually satire?

Well my son in law called and reminded me so I watched the debacle. Biden would start to talk about something and end with another topic. I liked it when Trump swore the temperature in the room was l01 degrees and asked who had charge of this. I call that sabotage! n.

I only watched the first 10 minutes, but that's all I needed. I'm reminded of an old Woody Allen film where the Leader was only shown as a silhouette in a wheel chair because he got blown up and the only part that was saved was his nose, which the DS was desperately trying to clone into a new leader. Meanwhile the shadow of the guy in the chair with a dubbed in voice was all the citizenry got to see and hear. Our shadow is Xiden.

Y'all are reading way too much into this shit! The only way any Democrat can possibly win after these last 3.5 years is if they can do another cheat! Oh, BTW, that is highly possible with the feckless idiots we elected into the Republican folds. We must remember that another Trump presidency is just as bad for the corrupt Republicans as it will be for the Democrats. Both parties, short of a very few, are in this game for themselves. Trump stands in their way and we are stupid if we can't see that reality.

First, getting rid of Joe is harder than it looks. For starters, several of the swing states have already passed the deadline for ballot entries, so any replacement in those states would have to be a write in. Second, getting him to drop out before the convention puts everything in Kamala's hands, and no one, especially the DNC, wants that, even if Trump would have no problem. Third, having him announce he's not going to run at the convention would create chaos, with Democrat voters swept aside for the party pick, even if it's Michelle Obama. Fourth, going the 25th amendment route is in Kamala's hands, as only the VP can initiate that, and she's pissed that her name doesn't get a mention as Joe's replacement.

People keep mentioning Gavin Newsom's name as a replacement, but his California record makes him DOA. Pritzker may be the convention state's governor, but he's an unknown outside of that state, and he's a fat white guy. Gretchen Whitmer would be more likely, fitting one of the party's identities as a female, and they could team her with AOC as a female POC, for an all-female ticket.

The other reason Whitmer might be the choice is that she has a contingent of Muslim voters in her state the party has been playing to, and they'd like to quiet the pro-Palestinian/Hamas protestors. AOC has been saying things sympathetic to that group and would be the kind of VP they would like to see.

Then there's Hillary, with fans who would like a 2016 rematch. Her age and health issues might make that a hard sell.

Finally, there's Michelle Obama, who has no love of getting back in the political ring again, but if she could be persuaded to at least run, even if she quit after winning, that might pick up Democrats' spirits. One thing that's been noticed is that there are no rules that say a former President can't be elected VP, so she could name Barack as her running mate, and if she bailed out after winning, he could actually get his third term. That's a nightmarish scenario.

Roatan appeals to me. I have friends there too. I've been offered a house. I'm considering the move. n

Uruguay is good, with a winter side order of Thailand. ;^)

At first I thought that Joe was just standing there slack jawed while Trump spoke. I have since seen pictures as well as live I saw kiddie sniffer playing with his right ear that appears to have a hidden speaker inside. I remember thinking it a possibility when I saw it live and I have seen pictures, that if legit, prove it.
I realized he was just concentrating on what they were pumping in his ear which is why he just stands there looking like a zombie.
9 days prep, almost certainly had the questions fed to him, probably cheated with earpiece and that is still the best performance he could turn in.

Run Joe, run.
Nothing short of taking Joe out by force will work.
He's adamant about staying in.
Great.
Nothing short of another election steal will work for old Joe.
This time, it ain't in the cards.
Swamp the vote.

Serious question: Would someone please explain to me how it is that all these Democrats are SURPRISED by Joe's incompetence, senility, and general unfitness for office? Did anyone here see anything they weren't expecting in the debate (whether you watched it live or recorded?) I am a not-extremely-well-informed old lady, and I definitely knew what to look for (and was anticipating it). How can it be that I (and presumably most of the rest of us here) know what so much of the general public doesn't? I honestly don't believe I'm in any way "special" in my knowledge of current events.