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Student Debt Cancellation Is Extremely Unfair. Here Are 10 Reasons Why.

Posted by freedomforall 7 months, 3 weeks ago to Politics
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It is unfair to those who sacrificed to pay off their student loans and it’s unfair to those who foot the bill.
It is an upward transfer of wealth. The plumber pays for someone else’s college education.
It encourages going to college when there might be better choices such as learning a trade. And It creates incentive to take on new student loans.
It is blatant election year bribe to college students and college graduates.
It creates creates a moral hazard for college administrators to sell useless degrees creating another overhang of new student debt.
It creates a moral hazard for students who might feel that their debt should be forgiven in the future
It subsidizes poor decision-making such as majoring in useless degrees including gender studies, anthropology, archeology, art history, music, culinary arts, fashion design, philosophy, etc.
The president has no power to forgive student loans. Doing so creates another precedent for presidential rule by decree. This is too big a financial decision not to involve Congress. The current student loan program was authorized by Congress and contains no such authority to the president.
Biden is openly flouting the Supreme court, another dangerous precedent.
Free money is highly inflationary.
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Addendum

I left out a key point. . As a Senator Biden sponsored a law that made it so student debt could not be discharged in bankruptcy.

Then he was buying donations from the big banks who run their credit card operations out of Delaware. Now he is buying votes."
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That's why I have called the lying sack of fertilzer Buydem since 2020.
Take him and all his administration staff to Gitmo for an interview. Then a military trial for treason and public execution of all the guilty, and a reversal of everything done by the tyrannical scum since 2000.
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  • Posted by $ BobCat 7 months, 3 weeks ago
    It's absolutely wrong for the reasons listed in the article. Plus I would like to add," it's morally wrong to relieve others of their responsibility by forcing responsible individuals to shoulder the burden. This is communism."
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    • Posted by mikeofallon 7 months, 3 weeks ago
      In addition to all above reasons, it's stupid politically, by pissing off more ppl than it "helps". And it doesn't even incl trade schools, tho much cheaper and have apprentice pgms. But politically, they could have thrown those NEEDED ppl a bone with direct payment assistance. (No, I'm not for that either).
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  • Posted by rbuckwalter 7 months, 3 weeks ago
    Of course, it's unfair. Just another attempt to fund the network of indoctrination centers masquerading as institutions of higher learning with taxpayer money. Oh, and then there's the obvious outright purchasing of votes.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 7 months, 2 weeks ago
    8 was the most significant reasoning.

    All of these "problems" stem from the fact that the Federal Government stuck its nose in where it didn't belong in the first place.

    Government has only a few REAL jobs.
    Everything else has been a slow acquisition and centralization of power over the last century-plus.

    Here's how they do it:

    1) They create the problem by inserting themselves into a situation that is readily solved quickly and efficiently by the private sector.

    2) They make it seem like there's a "real problem" that needs to be solved (and only government can solve it).

    3) They create rules and regulations that allegedly "solve the problem" (but, in fact, exacerbate it so that the problem grows worse).

    4) They shut down voices of those who point out that the solution to the dilemma (that they have created) is to remove government entirely from the situation.

    Much money and power can be extorted through chaos creation.
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 7 months, 3 weeks ago
    It's not the loan, it's the compound interest that is the fatal trap no one recognizes. Acquiring more education is waved as a lure for earning higher salaries with a degree, allegedly making it easier to pay off the loan. Such outcome is rare. Decades later, long after the loan itself is paid off, the unfortunate victim of this scam is still paying interest, and interest on the compound interest. The festering debt is more than the whole original loan. The only way out of it is to die. Borrowers don't need forgiveness of the loan; they need fairer terms of repayment, not usury.
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    • Posted by 7 months, 2 weeks ago
      ... and the banksters created the loan from nothing.
      Every single dollar they receive is profit because they contributed none of
      their own capital, (except to bribe con-gress to give them this windfall,
      now 111 years and still stealing.)
      Now the taxpayers must pay off the loan and the banksters get paid for
      doing nothing but cheating everyone else.
      Those are the absolute facts of the matter.
      Time for a revolution to execute all the traitors.
      No compromise, finally justice.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 7 months, 3 weeks ago
    OK, I am torn on this. I see and support your points; however, let me make a few counter points.

    I am a US ARMY vet and have worked in education since 2002. The PSLF (Public Student Loan Forgiveness) program was started in October 2007. I graduated with my MS in December of 2007 and have been enrolled in the PSLF program since January 2008. I have been continuously employed in Public Service positions since August 2002. Therefore, I should have been earning months towards my forgiveness this entire time or 197 months not counting the current month of June 2024. The PSLF program promises forgiveness after 120 months, so I should have been "forgiven" long ago. Yet, they keep shifting my loans from one servicer to another always promising to get it straightened out 6 or 9 months from now. Moreover they also only have my month count at 99 months. Though the most recent story is that they are going to have it all adjusted by July of 24 and that they will be adding 36 months to everyone's count.

    Oh BTW, I got fed up with the entire educational system and decided that since I have met the minimums for retirement, that I will retire. So now any months going forward do not count towards PSLF. So I met the expectation and did the time with Public Service but there is no end in sight.

    I see all these headlines about Student Loan forgiveness but from where I am it seems to be all smoke and mirrors with no substance. Just to be clear my degrees are all in computers with my final degree being an MS in Management Information Systems.
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    • Posted by mhubb 7 months, 3 weeks ago
      someone that Served is a different case

      the pay is low compared to other careers
      so some perks are fine
      if someone wants to go into the Military and after be able to go to school, that is perfectly fine


      and this is done for National Defense

      there is no provision in the US Constitution for student loans (unless done for Defense issues)

      same with all welfare, medicare, medicaid
      unless done for Defense, all such programs are 100% unconstitutional. to make it Constitutional, you'd have to have a program that is for all, pay people to become doctors, nurses, med techs, allow all to be treated to provide training for the medical staff, this would provide the nation is more trained medical staff for use in war or disaster
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      • Posted by 7 months, 2 weeks ago
        But that would violate the corrupt goals of the medical profession
        (the AMA and government agencies who profit):
        to maximize the cash flow to doctors and corporations
        like Big Pharma and corporate owned hospitals.
        Mustn't do that. Doctors must be properly taught to treat
        symptoms with drugs, and not to avoid cure of anything.
        Do no harm is far down the list and profit is at the top.
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        • Posted by Eyecu2 7 months, 2 weeks ago
          This is why I am torn on this subject. From a purely ideological perspective, people should be responsible for their actions and the debts that they create, end of story. From a personal perspective the programs are there and to not take advantage of them is to wrong myself on principal. From a systems perspective the system is broken and even though I have followed the guidelines I keep getting screwed over.

          No matter how I look at it, I regret that I ever went to college and entered into the debt for the education that has so encumbered myself and my family over the last 20 years. If I had it to do over again I would have stopped after my AA degree when my GI Bill ran out.
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 months, 3 weeks ago
      I have no idea what this means.
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      • Posted by Eyecu2 7 months, 3 weeks ago
        There have been Student loan forgiveness programs in effect for almost 17 years now and those (or at least me) that try to take advantage of them have not actually received forgiveness. These programs are good press for the party pushing them and nothing more than a carrot for the ones chasing them. I will likely die before my loans are paid off or forgiven. The payments and interest are high enough that I have a higher debt now than when I graduated. Originally 88k now over 152k. Yet having worked Public Service for 22 years and being promised for over 16 of them forgiveness, I am only worse off than when I started. I am trapped on a treadmill of the Government's design that I was foolish enough to get on.
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        • Posted by mccannon01 7 months, 2 weeks ago
          If you've been making regular payments towards the principle this doesn't make sense. Something is terribly wrong here as if you bought a house whose price (principle) keeps going up while you make the agreed mortgage payments. If you've skipped or deferred payments or only made small payments on the interest, then I can understand it because the loan will grow from not chipping away at the principle.

          If it's the former I would advocate legislation that would end your debt not by shifting it to the taxpayers, but by telling the banksters to piss off.
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          • Posted by Eyecu2 7 months, 2 weeks ago
            In order to be in the PSLF program, one of the many requirements is to be on an IDR (income driven repayment) plan. The IDR sets your payment amount based on your income and it is very low. In fact my IDR for over 10 of those years was 0.00 per month. Yes, I understand why the amount has grown but they set the amount and as I have been a Public Servant to have paid above the amount that they set it at would have removed me from the program. The program which premises total forgiveness after the 120 months.

            The whole thing makes no sense but when you make 30k a year and the normal payment is 1.
            5k a month. You grab any lifeline that is offered.
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