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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 months ago
    I've always been very confused about the hatred toward Jews. Recently I did hear an interview where an expert pointed out that such hatred is driven by an odd Marxist desire to crush success, wealth, etc... That was the only explanation I've ever heard that stuck...
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    • Posted by mhubb 8 months ago
      it started long before marxism
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      • Posted by CaptainKirk 8 months ago
        Marx, et al were Jews.
        Clif_High pointed out that there are 2 groups.
        Kazarian (Mafia, fake jews) and Ashkenazi.
        And there is cross hatred.
        In fact, the Kazarians have always been trouble makers. Eventually kicked out of decent countries for Satanist activities, crimes against children (think pedo hollywood, deep state, Epstein, Weinstein).

        I cannot do the argument justice. But I had never heard this concept. Once you do, you start realizing that you cannot use the label Jew.

        brought to you by the people who need you to question what a woman is.

        The greatest work of Magic was the Devil convincing everyone he does not exist. Or rather, hiding himself amongst people in a way that you cannot pick him out.

        But just calling this difference out can be hard. The ADL doesn't care... In fact, they "Doth Protest too little" about any differences to the point of exposing what side they may be on.

        I have friends who are Jewish. They are not evil, I would trust them with my children. So it tells me where they might fall, without me knowing. And even this may be an oversimplification after many decades.
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    • Posted by tutor-turtle 8 months ago
      Being a non-practicing Ashkenazi Jew, I've followed the Israeli/Pali saga my whole life. The muslims (both Sunni and Shia) have had it out for the Jews (of whatever sect) from time immemorial.
      Over 100 years ago the Balfour Declaration was to settle this giving all the lands from (including) Syria to the sea. The hue and cry ran out for a "Separate Palestinian Homeland" That would be todays Syria.
      Not to say the Israeli government hasn't been heavy-handed with the Pali's (they have) but truth be told, they have a homeland, and Israel is not it.
      Where were all these Marxist "protestors" when Pol Pot was murdering 28 million Cambodians?
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      • Posted by mccannon01 8 months ago
        Right on, TT, except:

        "The muslims (both Sunni and Shia) have had it out for the Jews (of whatever sect) from time immemorial." Actually, they've had it out for anyone not them. IMO, Islam is a giant Satanic, enslaving, death cult that thinks the world belongs to them and the rest of us are for killing, enslaving, or converting to the cult. Like any bully, it picks on the weakest opposition the most and the Jewish people are currently a prime target. Except, they're finding out Israel seems to be up to the task of kicking their asses - hence the world wide Pali whining because they're losing. When Christendom, or what's left of the free world, finally wakes up to the Islamic bully BS (again) things will change. It took almost 400 years of getting slapped around before Christendom kicked off the Crusades. Let's hope it doesn't take that long this time.
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        • Posted by tutor-turtle 8 months ago
          I do have concerns about Iranian and Turkish involvement. I think Israel can handle the Iranians, but if the Turks get involved... that's a horse a different color.
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          • Posted by mccannon01 8 months ago
            Agreed. Israel can be overwhelmed by pure numbers and a repeat of '67 may not end in Israeli favor. I must say I do believe Xiden is going to screw this up somehow. I just heard on the radio this morning (WMAL out of DC) he already has US military building a "port" in Gaza ($370 million tax dollars and 1000 personnel - targets/hostages ) and is getting ready to transport massive numbers of Gazan "refugees" to the US. God help us.
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            • Posted by tutor-turtle 8 months ago
              If they are coming from Gaza, they are terrorists.
              Presently, the greatest danger to our Republic is our own government.
              The amount of damage being done, done and planned, will be an overwhelming task for President Trump to undo.
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              • Posted by mccannon01 8 months ago
                "If they are coming from Gaza, they are terrorists." From the indoctrination I understand they have received from the day they were born and the fact that 75-80% of them voted for Hamas, no doubt you are correct. Xiden screws America again. This can't possibly end well.
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  • Posted by mhubb 8 months ago
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    This is not about LAND and it has never been about LAND. Israel occupies LESS that one sixth of 1% of the land that ARABS and MUSLIMS occupy. There has also never been a country or state called Palestine it therefore LOGICALLY follows that it cannot be OCCUPIED or INVADED and you cannot be a REFUGEE from it. The 'Palestinains' were INVENTED by the EGYPTIAN HOMOSEXUAL PAEDOPHILE Yasser Arafat in the 1960's before that they were known as what they STILL are the MUSLIM ARAB INVADERS of the Holy Land. ITS ALL ABOUT MUSLIMS KILLING JEWS.
    There is a myth hanging over all discussion of the Palestinian problem: the myth that this land was “Arab” land taken from its native inhabitants by invading Jews. Whatever may be the correct solution to the problems of the Middle East, let’s get a few things straight:
    As a strictly legal matter, the Jews didn’t take Palestine from the Arabs; they took it from the British, who exercised sovereign authority in Palestine under a League of Nations mandate for thirty years prior to Israel’s declaration of independence in 1948. And the British don’t want it back.
    If you consider the British illegitimate usurpers, fine. In that case, this territory is not Arab land but Turkish land, a province of the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years until the British wrested it from them during the Great War in 1917. And the Turks don’t want it back.
    If you look back earlier in history than the Ottoman Turks, who took over Palestine over in 1517, you find it under the sovereignty of the yet another empire not indigenous to Palestine: the Mamluks, who were Turkish and Circassian slave-soldiers headquartered in Egypt. And the Mamluks don’t even exist any more, so they can’t want it back.
    So, going back 800 years, there’s no particularly clear chain of title that makes Israel’s title to the land inferior to that of any of the previous owners. Who were, continuing backward:
    The Mamluks, already mentioned, who in 1250 took Palestine over from:
    The Ayyubi dynasty, the descendants of Saladin, the Kurdish Muslim leader who in 1187 took Jerusalem and most of Palestine from:
    The European Christian Crusaders, who in 1099 conquered Palestine from:
    The Seljuk Turks, who ruled Palestine in the name of:
    The Abbasid Caliphate of Baghdad, which in 750 took over the sovereignty of the entire Near East from:
    The Umayyad Caliphate of Damascus, which in 661 inherited control of the Islamic lands from:
    The Arabs of Arabia, who in the first flush of Islamic expansion conquered Palestine in 638 from:
    The Byzantines, who (nice people—perhaps it should go to them?) didn’t conquer the Levant, but, upon the division of the Roman Empire in 395, inherited Palestine from:
    The Romans, who in 63 B.C. took it over from:
    The last Jewish kingdom, which during the Maccabean rebellion from 168 to 140 B.C. won control of the land from:
    The Hellenistic Greeks, who under Alexander the Great in 333 B.C. conquered the Near East from:
    The Persian empire, which under Cyrus the Great in 639 B.C. freed Jerusalem and Judah from:
    The Babylonian empire, which under Nebuchadnezzar in 586 B.C. took Jerusalem and Judah from:
    The Jews, meaning the people of the Kingdom of Judah, who, in their earlier incarnation as the Israelites, seized the land in the 12th and 13th centuries B.C. from:
    The Canaanites, who had inhabited the land for thousands of years before they were dispossessed by the Israelites.
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    • Posted by mhubb 8 months ago
      As the foregoing suggests, any Arab claim to sovereignty based on inherited historical control will not stand up. Arabs are not native to Palestine, but are native to Arabia, which is called Arab-ia for the breathtakingly simple reason that it is the historic home of the Arabs. The territories comprising all other “Arab” states outside the Arabian peninsula—including Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia, and Algeria, as well as the entity now formally under the Palestinian Authority—were originally non-Arab nations that were conquered by the Muslim Arabs when they spread out from the Arabian peninsula in the first great wave of jihad in the 7th century, defeating, mass-murdering, enslaving, dispossessing, converting, or reducing to the lowly status of dhimmitude millions of Christians and Jews and destroying their ancient and flourishing civilizations. Prior to being Christian, of course, these lands had even more ancient histories. Pharaonic Egypt, for example, was not an Arab country through its 3,000 year history. The recent assertion by the Palestinian Arabs that they are descended from the ancient Canaanites whom the ancient Hebrews displaced is absurd in light of the archeological evidence.
      There is no record of the Canaanites surviving their destruction in ancient times. History records literally hundreds of ancient peoples that no longer exist. The Arab claim to be descended from Canaanites is an invention that came after the 1964 founding of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the same crew who today deny that there was ever a Jewish temple in Jerusalem. Prior to 1964 there was no “Palestinian” people and no “Palestinian” claim to Palestine; the Arab nations who sought to overrun and destroy Israel in 1948 planned to divide up the territory amongst themselves. Let us also remember that prior to the founding of the state of Israel in 1948, the name “Palestinian” referred to the Jews of Palestine.
      The only nations that have perfect continuity between their earliest known human inhabitants and their populations of the present day are Iceland, parts of China, and a few Pacific islands. The Chinese case is complicated by the fact that the great antiquity of Chinese civilization has largely erased the traces of whatever societies preceded it, making it difficult to reconstruct to what extent the expanding proto-Chinese displaced (or absorbed) the prehistoric peoples of that region. History is very sketchy in regard to the genealogies of ancient peoples. The upshot is that “aboriginalism”—the proposition that the closest descendants of the original inhabitants of a territory are the rightful owners—is not tenable in the real world. It is not clear that it would be a desirable idea even if it were tenable. Would human civilization really be better off if there had been no China, no Japan, no Greece, no Rome, no France, no England, no Ireland, no United States?
      Back to the Arabs: I have no problem recognizing the legitimacy of the Arabs’ tenure in Palestine when they had it, from 638 to 1099, a period of 461 years out of a history lasting 5,000 years. They took Palestine by military conquest, and they lost it by conquest, to the Christian Crusaders in 1099. Of course, military occupation by itself does not determine which party rightly has sovereignty in a given territory. Can it not be said that the Arabs have sovereign rights, if not to all of Israel, then at least to the West Bank, by virtue of their majority residency in that region from the early Middle Ages to the present?
      To answer that question, let’s look again at the historical record. Prior to 1947, as we’ve discussed, Palestine was administered by the British under the Palestine Mandate, the ultimate purpose of which, according to the Balfour Declaration, was the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. In 1924 the British divided the Palestine Mandate into an Arabs-only territory east of the Jordan, which became the Kingdom of Trans-Jordan, and a greatly reduced Palestine Mandate territory west of the Jordan, which was inhabited by both Arabs and Jews. Given the fact that the Jews and Arabs were unable to coexist in one state, there had to be two states. At the same time, there were no natural borders separating the two peoples, in the way that, for example, the Brenner Pass has historically marked the division between Latin and Germanic Europe. Since the Jewish population was concentrated near the coast, the Jewish state had to start at the coast and go some distance inland. Exactly where it should have stopped, and where the Arab state should have begun, was a practical question that could have been settled in any number of peaceful ways, almost all of which the Jews would have accepted.
      The Jews’ willingness to compromise on territory was demonstrated not only by their acquiescence in the UN’s 1947 partition plan, which gave them a state with squiggly, indefensible borders, but even by their earlier acceptance of the 1937 Peel Commission partition plan, which gave them nothing more than a part of the Galilee and a tiny strip along the coast. Yet the Arab nations, refusing to accept any Jewish sovereignty in Palestine even if it was the size of a postage stamp, unanimously rejected the 1937 Peel plan, and nine years later they violently rejected the UN’s partition plan as well. When the Arabs resorted to arms in order to wipe out the Jews and destroy the Jewish state, they accepted the verdict of arms. They lost that verdict in 1948, and they lost it again in 1967, when Jordan, which had annexed the West Bank in 1948 (without any objections from Palestinian Arabs that their sovereign nationhood was being violated), attacked Israel from the West Bank during the Six Day War despite Israel’s urgent pleas that it stay out of the conflict. Israel in self-defense then captured the West Bank. The Arabs thus have no grounds to complain either about Israel’s existence (achieved in ’48) or about its expanded sovereignty from the river to the sea (achieved in ’67).
      The Arabs have roiled the world for decades with their furious protest that their land has been “stolen” from them. One might take seriously such a statement if it came from a pacifist people such as the Tibetans, who had quietly inhabited their land for ages before it was seized by the Communist Chinese in 1950. The claim is laughable coming from the Arabs, who in the early Middle Ages conquered and reduced to slavery and penury ancient peoples and civilizations stretching from the borders of Persia to the Atlantic; who in 1947 rejected an Arab state in Palestine alongside a Jewish state and sought to obliterate the nascent Jewish state; who never called for a distinct Palestinian Arab state until the creation of the terrorist PLO in 1964—sixteen years after the founding of the state of Israel; and who to this moment continue to seek Israel’s destruction, an object that would be enormously advanced by the creation of the Arab state they demand. The Arab claim to sovereign rights west of the Jordan is only humored today because of a fatal combination of world need for Arab oil, leftist Political Correctness that has cast the Israelis as “oppressors,” and, of course, good old Jew-hatred.
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    • Posted by tutor-turtle 8 months ago
      The Cliff Notes version goes something like this:
      For the last 2,000 years, this tiny scrap of unproductive desert wasteland has been fought over, (primarily for strategic purposes) by every outside influence that could march an effective fighting army to the area.
      The land that was repeatedly captured and lost was primarily occupied by wandering Jews and nomadic desert bedouins.
      Other than it's strategic value, it held little economic value, unless you count captured slaves.
      That fact that anyone would want this desolate sand pit, much less fight over it, is astounding.
      It does seem the main purpose of this military action is the elimination of the Jewish peoples.
      They are fighting for their very existence.
      Let Russia take Ukraine, we don't have a dog in that fight. The Deep Swamp can find another country to launder their ill-gotten-booty. (*and their child-sex-slaves)
      Like-wise China, let then have Taiwan, all the major players know it's legally Chinese territory. Not our fight.
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  • Posted by LarryHeart 8 months ago
    Anti- Semitists, Nazis, Leftists, Marxists, Zealots, Democrats, Hamas and other Islamic Jihadists , Iran, hootzie tootzies, Hezbolah etc. all have one thing in common, they are all pawns of systems of thought and action implanted by propaganda into trusting minds by a corrupt ruler or ruling class for their own enrichment.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 months ago
    What the Nazis temporarily succeeded at wherever they spread was stealing everyone's freedom and enforcing obedience to their group think.
    Their my way or the highway led to firing squads and hanging "dissidents" from trees and telephone poles.
    That also was the modus operandi of the Soviets, top mass murderer Mao and still is for "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" places like Iran. You know, what Hamas wants.
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 8 months ago
    As a young man my father was in the Merchant Marine and went to German prior to WW2. He was accosted on the streets in an attempt to enlist him because he was such a beautiful 'Arian'. Actually he was a half breed American Indian. He thanked them for the offer but denied them. He come home and told mother a crazy guy named Hitler was going to start a war. Mother said 'No we just fought that war.' Daddy said, 'Get set we are gonna do it again.'This was in 1935.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 8 months ago
    I've had Jewish friends throughout my life. All good folks. Yeah, I know of bad Jewish individuals just like any other people, but I don't understand antisemitism as a broad brush.
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