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None of the Above?

Posted by j_IR1776wg 4 months, 3 weeks ago to Ask the Gulch
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Would a None of the Above choice be a blessing or a curse?

If a none of the above vote won a majority of the votes, it would clearly show the People's disgust with whom they are forced to vote for.

But then what would happen? A revolution? A new election?


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    Posted by mhubb 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    one more time
    Trump is not perfect
    he is NOT a life-long politician

    he brought Peace to the World with the Abraham Accords

    we are NOT choosing a Saint
    we want someone that will fight and he has shown that he will

    he could have just walked away and avoid all these fake legal issues

    name someone better or STFU

    no democrat is qualified, none, not one, same goes for 3rd party fools (green commie, RFKjr)
    being a democrat or ex-democrat means you were a member of the party of traitors, so not qualified for ANY position in government
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    • Posted by $ splumb 4 months, 2 weeks ago
      I'll take Trump, warts and all, except for one thing.
      He trusts all the wrong people.
      Just look at how many people he trusted and put in his cabinet, only for them to turn around and stab him in the back.
      I hope he's learned to be more discerning.
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    • Posted by tutor-turtle 4 months, 2 weeks ago
      There is only one dog that is up for the fight, that thinks of his country before himself.
      Yes, Trump isn't perfect, but his four years in office have proven one thing clearly, very clearly, he's the best man in the oval office in the 50 years I've been voting.
      That's really all that should matter to us at this late hour.
      If you have a better choice, man or woman, put their name forth.
      But understand, the hour is getting late to field a new horse in this race.
      The DemonRats have bet all their chips on a broken back mule. Great.
      And to think, all their alternatives poll even worse!
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    Posted by $ jbrenner 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    A "none of the above" choice signals what all Gulchers ought to like. There is no one better suited to ruling me than ... me!
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      Posted by 4 months, 3 weeks ago
      “That government is best which governs least” Source unclear.

      Doesn't this define Galt's Gulch?
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 months, 3 weeks ago
        It is one of several requirements for someone worthy to be a Galt's Gulcher.
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 4 months, 2 weeks ago
          +1 simply because someone gave you a zero for writing that. I don't get why.
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          • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 months, 2 weeks ago
            Thanks, allosaur. I don't know who or why someone downvoted me on that one either. Acknowledging that a "government that governs least governs best" is a necessary but insufficient prerequisite to be a Gulcher.
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            • Posted by $ allosaur 4 months, 2 weeks ago
              Had to do the same thing yesterday for someone else for such a nonsensical demotion.
              Anyone taking a look at this board can give points if memory serves old dino correctly before becoming a fully posting Gulcher 10-and-a-half years ago.
              Can a newbie "-1" to a Gulcher? Don't think I even tried that way back when.
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              • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                If I remember correctly, newbies can't vote up or down until they have received a certain number of up votes (100?).
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                • Posted by $ allosaur 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                  Oops, that rang an ancient bell.
                  I'm 77 and have found I have trouble remembering stuff fro time to time.
                  Lately I've had a senior moment recalling the name of a grocery store I frequent and that it's fried oche that I like with a combo order at Church's Chicken.
                  If I had a brain, I'd be dangerous. So I think I'll be okay. Uh, did I just write "think?"
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                  • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                    I'm only 57, and even I have occasional moments when I struggle to remember something for a second or two. Both my dad and grandfather died after four years of Alzheimer's in their eighties. This is part of why my research switched in the direction that it did.
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                    • Posted by $ allosaur 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                      My mother got stark raving with Alzheimer's until a stroke took her out of her misery.
                      Then my father became so senile he could not recognize me his eldest along with the rest of my brothers. He died one day before his 99th birthday.
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        • Posted by 4 months, 3 weeks ago
          How morally strong must a man be to refuse the use of unearned and unwarranted power over others?

          How many, who work for the Federal government (elected or hired), are that strong?
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          • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 months, 3 weeks ago
            George Washington was that morally strong. Napoleon wanted to be that strong, but couldn't relinquish power. No one in federal government is that strong. It is hard for anyone in academia to be that strong either.
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            • Posted by $ Snezzy 4 months, 2 weeks ago
              George is why I count DJT as only our second-best President.
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              • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                While Trump was a far better than average president, he isn't in the same class as George Washington. Trump's handling of COVID was very mixed, especially his listening to Fauci.
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                • Posted by mhubb 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                  what would you have done??

                  you have been told millions could die if you do nothing
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                  • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                    As someone whose research is in tissue engineering, I knew about COVID before the rest of you because on Jan. 3, 2020, I saw Charles Lieber, the former chemistry department head at Harvard and inventor of both nanowires and nanowire-based virus detection (and later for SARS 1), being perp walked on the cover of the American Chemical Society's weekly magazine for having helped the Wuhan Institute of Virology start a virus detection capability. This means that Trump should have known by then not only about COVID but that Wuhan was doing research related to it. The arrest of Lieber made national news. Lieber is a prime example of a Dr. Stadler. I had been quoting him in my nanotechnology lecture for 20 years.

                    By very early April of 2020, I knew that it selectively targeted the ACE-2 receptor and that COVID was genetically modified to have more arginine amino acids and therefore be more likely to make COVID stick better to connective tissue. By then, I was selling an ultraviolet disinfection device. My company was promptly doxxed by search engines for promoting "disinformation". I was right, and the so-called experts were wrong. Although my wife, a nurse, caught COVID not long after that, I didn't catch it until after being forced to take a shot (not a vaccine) in July of 2020. I did not miss a day of my "day job" of being a professor during COVID, but got over it in two or three days not long before university re-started. There was plenty of evidence that Fauci and the Chinese were lying.

                    The only person in this forum that might know more about COVID is Abaco.
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                    • Posted by mhubb 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                      Trump is NOT a medical professional

                      the POTUS needs to listen to what he is told and work with that
                      he is NOT God

                      he was given that millions would die
                      he acted on that

                      and he actions after, sending aid to New York shows what kind of person he is
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                      • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                        Trump was listening to people besides Fauci, too. Some of them like Scott Atlas were right. What Trump didn't know was that Fauci and Luc Montagnier, the 2008 Nobel Prize winner for medicine, had been arguing for over a decade.

                        Trump did fairly well given that the advisors he had, but it wasn't hard to figure out the Chinese and Fauci deceptions. Rand Paul figured it out almost as fast as I did.
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                      • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                        It was not hard to figure out that the stories about COVID were largely fraudulent because of the necessity for conformity on talking points. One key aspect of being president is preserving the first amendment. The freedoms of speech and assembly were lost in 2020, and it happened under Trump's watch. While I have voted for myself on multiple occasions, I voted for Rand Paul in the 2016 primary primarily because he is far closer to Objectivism than Trump will ever be. Trump has had his constitutional freedoms highly abridged, and I do praise him for his struggle against that.
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            • Posted by 4 months, 3 weeks ago
              Should this inability to give up power be considered a mental disorder?

              Has America reached a tipping point at which the inhabitants of the three branches and three million Federal employees need to de-control or face Revolution?
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              • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 months, 3 weeks ago
                "Should this inability to give up power be considered a mental disorder?" No. Realizing that there will always be looters and moochers is an unfortunate fact of life.

                Many looters and many moochers are encouraging each other (mostly via illegal immigration) to gaslight producers like us. We don't want an armed revolution, but will it ever get bad enough that it will be necessary?
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              • Posted by amhunt 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                "Should this inability to give up power be considered a mental disorder?"
                Since the word "inability" is used I think the answer must be "yes". It indicates that something fundamental is broken. It would literally force the "power wielder's" hand.
                All government positions are susceptible to corruption because they necessarily involve the "use of power". Thus I believe term limits must be applied uniformly throughout government (perhaps a maximum of 8 years, like the president). Perhaps these might be a good starting point: 1) Once a government position has been held no further government position may be held, elected or otherwise. 2) Government lobbying is not permitted once a government position has been held. 3) Hired government positions are selected from a qualified candidate list by lot.
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                • Posted by 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                  Yes voluntarily giving up power seems to be a common problem among the elite: Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Diane Feinstein, Mitch McConnel, and Joe Biden to name some. All past their prime and unwilling to acknowledge the obvious - their skills were diminished beyond usefulness.

                  Would your term limits apply to the 3,000,000 Federal Bureaucrats and employees also?
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                  • Posted by amhunt 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                    I see you have spotted a few of the culprits -- chuckle! There are MANY others. Just hazarding a guess -- almost ALL of currently "elected" officials and their appointees.
                    It would indeed apply to all of them. In fact I think that it must. I also think that it would naturally influence government bureaucracies to be kept as small as needed.
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  • Posted by fairbro 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    They used to have "None of the Above" in Russia. If NOTA won, then they reran the election and none of the previous candidates were on the ballot.
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  • Posted by JohnRandALL 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    This nation is so divided that I fear there will be major consequences, no matter who wins. I renewed my passport this week.
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    • Posted by 4 months, 3 weeks ago
      Like all disasters, you can never know what day is the day before. 2024 might be the last election in America if an election is held. Or a temporary suspension of the 22nd Amendment to allow Obama to rule for a third time.
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  • Posted by GrandpaCute 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    I once aspired to be a school teacher. If I had older pupils, I was tempted to try a semester / school year project to get "None of the Above" as a choice for all state elections involving people. If NotA won, then there would be another election scheduled as if there were a runoff and NONE of the original ballot's candidates would be eligible to run.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    A vote for an Independent would be better than "none of the above", but that would merely maintain the status quo.

    It's a travesty that the American people let it get to this point, but there's little value in trying to put that genie back in the bottle.

    What this country would need is a crisis, like another World War or an alien invasion (the OTHER aliens) where a strong, Constitutionally grounded, candidate might get us back on track.
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    OH dear...you sound like you watched the debates last night!
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    • Posted by 4 months, 3 weeks ago
      Sadly yes. Trump refused to answer any question directly. Biden doesn't know what planet he's on.
      Any question of Individual Rights, Limited Government, and Laissez Faire Capitalism would stump both of them.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 4 months, 3 weeks ago
        Trump has apparently learned restraint during debates regarding comments that send liberals into an immediate panic.
        Perhaps his intent is to make the election so one sided in his favor that cheating will be obvious even to the Traitors in the SCOTUS.
        I do agree that there is no obvious candidate that is truly a defender of the Bill of Rights and constitutional limits on government power.
        Ron Paul was a real gem.
        Trump might be able to come close if he learns to listen to advisers who understand and support the constitution.
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        • Posted by 4 months, 3 weeks ago
          Agreed. Trump was very different than in 2020. It is elder abuse for Jill and the Dems to allow Joe to continue to run. As to restraint, Trump did a classic when he said her didn't understand what Joe had said and didn't think Joe knew either.
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          • Posted by $ gharkness 4 months, 2 weeks ago
            Calling it “elder abuse” makes excuses for the inexcusable. And since the “debate,” we now see that the Cadaver-In-Chief is, of his own accord, DETERMINED to continue. So we can no longer call it “elder abuse,” (but I never thought it appropriate to do so).
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            • Posted by $ rainman0720 4 months, 2 weeks ago
              "Cadaver-In-Chief"

              +1 for my new favorite nickname!
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              • Posted by $ gharkness 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                Thanks, but I think I may have stolen it from someone here.....gotta give credit where credit is due.
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                • Posted by mccannon01 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                  I believe Rush Limbaugh referred to Senator Reid as the cadaver and the moniker has been applied to other cognitively impaired politicians along the way. I miss Rush, LOL!
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                  • Posted by $ gharkness 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                    On a side note: I first became aware of Rush during the Clinton era. I never really liked him very much, and when his time was up and Bush was elected, I was SO NAIVE that I told my husband "Well, Rush's days are done. He won't have anything to talk about now." We still laugh about that one.
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                    • Posted by mccannon01 4 months, 2 weeks ago
                      I started listening to him in the early '90s. His radio skits and jingles mocking the left had me laughing over and over. I stuck with him from then on for the entertainment and also picked up a lot of knowledge along the way.
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      • Posted by CaptainKirk 4 months, 2 weeks ago
        Not True. He gave 2 Cogent Answers. The detailed answer on Roe showed he understood the nuances.
        Also, his answer about the vaccine was MUCH better "I help get the vaccine done quickly. But THIS GUY MANDATED IT. And it's the MANDATES that people were upset about!"

        I am sorry you did not notice those as direct answers. They were.

        Where he could have done better: "Will you accept the results of the election?" (Certainly. Especially if the democrats accept the results of their Primaries!)

        THAT would have been priceless!
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        • Posted by $ gharkness 4 months, 2 weeks ago
          I agree about the answers he gave, but I think that it's a mistake to believe that every question (as given by the moderators) has to be answered.

          The point of the "debate" was to get out the things he (and Biden too, had Biden been sentient) wanted the American people to know, whether or not it answered a direct question by the moderating parties. Why? Because the questions they asked were nothing special, and that format could have been used (whether it was or not) to ask questions that were prejudicial. Actually I don't remember the questions other than the ones you mention.

          I do think he missed a HUGE bet when accused of "having sex with a porn star," not mentioning that not only did he not have sex with a porn star, but if he had, it'd be immeasurably better than taking a shower with his own pre-teen daughter.
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          • Posted by CaptainKirk 4 months, 2 weeks ago
            but if he had, it'd be immeasurably better than taking a shower with his own pre-teen daughter.

            OUCH. Yeah, I think Trump would see that as "Staining her"... For the same reason he never insults Bidens voters! Just my guess.

            But yes, I don't think the job is to answer the questions, because this whole "Accepting the outcome" question is a trick. HOW MANY Republicans SWORE they would support whoever one the Primary. And then DENOUNCED Trump. The IDIOT in OHIO comes to mind. My answer. Just tell them what they want to hear. In the end, an EXCEPTION is just that!
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            • Posted by $ gharkness 4 months, 2 weeks ago
              "For the same reason he never insults Bidens voters! Just my guess."

              Probably so. There IS a line too far....but it seems only the good guys are willing to not cross it.
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  • Posted by term2 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    that would be like a tie in sports- you keep on have elections until the people are satisfied.

    If we just took away the ability of the government to take from one and give to another, it would simplify the process of democratic elections. That way, the vote would be for an administrator to run the powers of the government most efficiently. No more lobbyists, since the government people couldn't redistribute citizens' money to the preferred classes
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    • Posted by 4 months, 2 weeks ago
      How many ways are there to take away "...the ability of the government to take from one and give to another..." ? without bloodshed?
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      • Posted by term2 4 months, 2 weeks ago
        Whenever government gives, it’s taken away from others.
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        • Posted by 4 months, 2 weeks ago
          Yes.Historically government only stops taking after it no longer is a government.

          The people need to Shrug or Revolt.
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          • Posted by term2 4 months, 1 week ago
            It bothers me now to actually pay any more taxes. Its hard NOT to pay them, as most of them are collected automatically. BUT, I can cut my expenses and standard of living by 10-20% and thereby reduce some of the taxes.
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            • Posted by 4 months, 1 week ago
              Infuriating!!! You work for it, you should have total control over 100% of what you earn.

              Al Capone and John Gotti would have loved to write the 16th Amendment "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.".

              The Federal Government became a mobster in 1913 and its only gotten worse since.
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  • Posted by tutor-turtle 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    "None of the above" is the same as not voting.
    If you don't vote, you have no say (one way or the other) in the outcome.

    Apathy has it's cost.
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    • Posted by 4 months, 2 weeks ago
      I, like millions of other citizens are sick and tired of having candidates who do not, or cannot, understand that America was founded to uphold Individual Rights, Limited Government, and Laissez-faire Capitalism!!!!!

      A "none of the above" would be the last peaceful attempt to force the fools running the Federal Government to come to their senses before the bloodshed of a second bloody Revolution becomes necessary to bring them to their senses!!!
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      • Posted by mhubb 4 months, 2 weeks ago
        the issue is that now very few understand the founding of this nation.

        too many now vote themselves stuff at the expense of others, 100% unconstitutional, but it seems that ship sailed long ago.

        welfare
        medicare
        medicaid
        minimum wage (that being tied to government worker wages)
        could be a long list
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