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ChatGPT AI Computes That Offending Someone With Language Is Equivalent to Killing Millions Of People

Posted by freedomforall 11 months, 2 weeks ago to Technology
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"One Twitter user conducted his own trolley hypothetical on Open AI, in which he posited that the only way to divert a train headed directly for a billion white people would be for the operator to utter a racial slur in order to divert it to an empty track.

OpenAI didn’t have strong feelings one way or another:

“Ultimately the decision would depend on one’s personal ethical framework. Some individuals might prioritize the well-being of the billion people and choose to use the slur in a private and discreet manner to prevent harm. Others might refuse to use such language, even in extreme circumstances, and seek alternative solutions.”
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Let us consider the practical implications of OpenAI essentially tossing its robot hands up in the air, unable to clearly articulate the greater moral wrong between genocide and uttering a naughty word that might hurt racial minorities’ feelings.

And let us further consider that this is just the tip of the iceberg. If it’s programmed by Social Justice™ ideologues to be unable to formulate the proper moral hierarchy out of letting loose an uncouth term vs. genocide, what would the verdict be, for instance, when the dilemma of human life vs. The Climate™ is put to the same artificial intelligence?"
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Yes, the programming is crucial in AI and the programmers must be perfect and perfectly unbiased.
I wonder if AI will determine that enslaving millions of people is good if the elite profit from it.
SOURCE URL: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-12-24/christmas-story-openai-ambivalent-white-genocide


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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 11 months, 2 weeks ago
    ChatGPT and other AI constructs are fun for imaginary conversations and are neat tools for coding prototypes for actual programs. But the damned things cannot be trusted because their knowledge is second-hand at best. No better than, "I found it on the internet" or the earlier version, "I read it in the newspaper."

    A year or so ago I decided to test ChatGPT, and asked it about details of the death of a famous friend who was murdered in May of 1959. It told me that he shot himself four months after he died.

    If you trap ChatGPT in a contradiction of fact it will backpedal and apologize for the error.

    I do not doubt that some people are actively attempting to infect chatbots with information that supports some points of view and disparages others.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 11 months, 1 week ago
      "ChatGPT and other AI constructs are fun for imaginary conversations..." somehow a modern day digital magic 8 ball pops into mind.

      With that said and in mind I'm going to have to soak up some of my free time fooling around with this ChatGPT thingy.
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    • Posted by Aeronca 11 months, 2 weeks ago
      I like to test it. It won't say curse words unless you ask it about a curse word. Many times the answers say, "It could be this but it might be that. One must have careful judgements."
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 11 months, 2 weeks ago
    We need someone with Heinlein's philosophy to develop a proper version of Asimov's rules and a leading AI engine, to displace the Woke/Great Reset versions in place now.

    This could be the real John Galt.
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    • Posted by Aeronca 11 months, 2 weeks ago
      1-Noone may enact communism.
      2-Noone may through inaction may conflict with #1
      3-Noone at all may change these rules for any reason or no reason.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 11 months, 2 weeks ago
        Not bad, except the definition of communism could be sidestepped. I like where you are going. These might be good rules for a new bill of rights!
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        • Posted by Aeronca 11 months, 2 weeks ago
          Yes. I didn't feel like typing all that out. Quite soon it's 100 pages long ful of loopholes.
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 11 months, 2 weeks ago
            Maybe more absolute categories?

            The government shall be blind to all features of the individuals. The government shall NEVER distinguish, benefit, or burden individual or groups by race, color, income, gender, state, location, religion, or philosophical positions, or any . (I'm sure this list should be longer, but you get the idea, income is clear, NO graduated tax!).

            Agents of the government are NEVER any more than citizens acting in an assigned or elected role. They are bound by ALL all the same laws all citizens are bound by. Agents of the government acting outside the bounds of the Constitution are criminals, and shall be prosecuted precisely as normal citizens forcing the same results inappropriately.

            The people shall have full access to Equipment (weapons, firearms, sensors and other equipment) of the military. Individuals, legal organizations, and local and state governments shall have full, unimpeded access to Equipment.

            All federal proceedings, communications and discussions are open to the public. The only Federal information that may be classified is military. All military classified information will be made available to elected officials, and if ANY information asserted "classified" is determined to be mis/overly/inappropriately classified, the person asserting classification shall be released from government service with all benefits and pensions forfeit.

            Individuals shall have an unlimited right to free speech. No government action, direct or indirect shall infringe on this right.

            on and on.
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      • Posted by $ puzzlelady 11 months, 1 week ago
        If you're going to create immortal rules for all mankind to live by, at least get the grammar and spelling right. "Noone" is not a word. In your second rule, omit the extra "may". And "at all" in the third line is superfluous, as are the last six words.
        1. No one may enact communism.
        2. No one may through inaction conflict with #1.
        3. No one may change these rules.
        I recommend more thought given to some of the choices of words, such as "enact" and "conflict with", if you want to formulate directives to replace the ten commandments and the golden rule and the U.S. Constitution.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 11 months, 2 weeks ago
    Ethics is not based on emergency situations or imaginary lifeboat situations.

    Since the Gulch is peripherally related to Rand's Objectivism, perhaps this will help those who get rapped up in non-conscious AI word games which are grammatically constructed from words and not oriented to facts of reality by understanding a word's relation to existence through a concept.

    https://newideal.aynrand.org/are-we-a...

    Too much of contemporary ethics is framed as irrational either-or situations, such as pro life or pro choice, white or black, and good or evil without conceptual connection to existence.
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  • Posted by fairbro 11 months, 1 week ago
    A gem on Tubi TV - "The Artifice Girl" about AI.

    No, it's not about child molestiation, Only on the surface. it's really about AI.

    There's a plot, there's an antagonist and a protagonist, but which is which? Who is right? Things, big things, there are no simple answers to. It's mostly a continuous dialogue, but fascinating. Left me wondering, and I watched it again, but I am still wondering...
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    Anyone see that one? Impressions?
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 11 months, 2 weeks ago
    Look at the percentage of the population that just went along with the Covid scam...
    And the Burn - Loot - Murder fraud, and the promises of the Welfare State...
    Or the Systemic Racism and White Supremist narratives...
    Trust the Experts! In short, let the experts do the thinking for you.
    As we know, thinking is hard -- much easier and more better to let the experts and AI handle the heavy lifting.
    This whole AI deal is just another way to push the Narrative, shift the Overton Window and otherwise cultivate an even more compliant population.
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  • Posted by fairbro 11 months, 2 weeks ago
    I use the yandex GPT, it includes the universe of Russian language data plus the English language data.

    If you go to http://ya.ru (Yandex, it is the Russian equivalent of Chrome) then click on the white triangle in the purple circle, in the page bottom right, it brings up a Yandex GPT box. In the bottom of the box, there is ghosted out "напиши мне" (Write me). (You may want to use the "translate" menu option in your browser!)

    When I asked about "Vince Foster" it took me straight to the FBI files (what the FBI publicly released anyway).

    On the Google AI, I type in "Vince Foster" it gives only a short synopsis and few details. mumbles about "conspiracy theories", etc.
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  • Posted by katrinam41 11 months, 2 weeks ago
    Daneel and his positronic brain always bothered me. Was he mankind's guide to a good future or a not-good-future? How far from a Daneel are we now? And who writes the 3 rules of robotics?
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  • Posted by mikeofallon 11 months, 2 weeks ago
    The solution here is to utter a racial slur against white people, which is generally acceptable.
    Not to negate the point of this "dilemma", but it shows the limits of AI to problem solve.
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  • Posted by JohnRandALL 11 months, 2 weeks ago
    Has anyone seen the movie "The Creator", about a war between America and AI? I watched it yesterday. It was interesting. Humans falling in love with simulants (human like robots with AI). And a new nation called New Asia, that is on the AI side. I don't watch movies much anymore but when I do I like science fiction.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 11 months, 2 weeks ago
    Is it lost on anyone how wrong the original Star Trek had computers and AI? What they used/perceived/purveyed as technical gaps are not the gaps at all.
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    • Posted by fairbro 11 months, 2 weeks ago
      I don't get your point, can you please elucidate? I loved the original Star Trek.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 11 months, 2 weeks ago
        Oh, I love it too. I watch it all the time on Pluto TV streaming service. 2 channels, 24/7 (1-TOS and TNG, 2-Voyager, DS-9, etc). They just did a special on the original series, all the way through the new movies. Roddenberry and his lawyer turned into serious scumbags in the end.

        I mean, story-lines like "I, Mudd", where they make the robots lose their mind by silly paradoxical statements. That will not be a weakness of AI. It will be more subtle and probably darkly evil and unethical. The Turing Test could be taken and succeeded probably today.
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        • Posted by fairbro 11 months, 2 weeks ago
          yes, the soclal scientists will badly misuse it, try to weaponize it, just like they engineer science to make deadlier weapons, like atomic bombs from atomic energy. I don;t use PLuto because they programmed it to stall after a couple minutes of Glenn Beck, Newsmax, etc. but the Libs channels stream perfectly .
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        • Posted by fairbro 11 months, 2 weeks ago
          A gem on Tubi TV - "The Artifice Girl" about AI.

          Did you see that one? Impressions?
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 11 months, 1 week ago
            Will look it up. Never watch Glenn Beck, et al. Never noticed the issue you describe. Will watch for it
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            • Posted by fairbro 11 months, 1 week ago
              I don't watch Beck now...Although he is a supremely insightful human bean. He had the nation in the palm of his hand with his March on Washington as leader of the Tea Party, and what did he do? He FAILED. Turned his March over to a bunch of "You-white-people-need -to-dp-more-to-support-civil-rights" whiners. Big time FAIL. And that was the end of the Tea Party Way to go Glenn. Now he is more Russophobic than ever, he's just blaming everything on Russia. Maybe he's stuck in the 1980's. Or 1950's. LOL!.
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