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The Ominous Parallels - Tranche IX

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Chapter 4, Excerpt 3 of 3
The Ethics of Evil

During the Weimar years, there were opponents of Hitler eager to pit their version of ethics against his, men who demanded sacrifice for the sake of some other group. None of them challenged the basic premise of the German ethics: the duty of men to live for others, the right of those others to be lived for. From the outset, the opponents of Nazism were disarmed: since they equated selflessness with virtue, they could not avoid conceding that Nazism was a form of moral idealism.

Of the Weimar groups invoking morality, the Nazis were the most fervent. Writes historian Koppel Pinson, “National Socialism, with all its moral nihilism, also knew how to appeal to the idealistic impulse for sacrifice.” So, it did. One such expression of the altruist ethics is the elevation of the group to the position of moral lawgiver. Ethical ideas, like all others, are devoid of objectivity; there is no such thing as the truth. Altruism sets the end, and the rest gives a blank check to any means to that end.

The idealism validates the amoralism. The amoralism administers the idealism. In epistemology, the combination unites infallibility and flexibility. In ethics, it unites righteousness and nihilism. Eichmann told his judges he was a faithful Kantian. To liberate humanity from intelligence, Hitler counted on irrationalism. To rid men of conscience . . . the morality of altruism. To free the world of freedom . . . the idea of collectivism. Modern philosophy turned the Germans into a nation of killers.


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  • Posted by 1 year, 1 month ago
    In America today, the dominant philosophy of altruism (equating selflessness with virtue) is alive and well: public service, non-profits, protected groups, etc. Altruist ethics has elevated the state to moral law giver.

    The clients of the state (public servants and protected groups) are now immune from prosecution. Responsible parents and political adversaries are investigated and prosecuted by Democrats in the name of saving democracy.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 1 month ago
    Most nations on earth espouse the principle of duty to one's homeland. It has been present in the United States from the beginning as well, it just started out as a cry for States' Rights. Remember, during the Civil War, the individual armies were identified by and commanded by the States from which they originated. The US didn't really adopt a "national" army until we sent men to fight overseas in WW I.

    In truth, nationalism is just a form of association: it still implies a certain value set, etc. Nationalism isn't de facto immoral at all. One has to go into the credo of that nationalism to evaluate that. It wasn't "the Fatherland" of Nazi Germany that was the problem - it was the "Nazi" in Nazi Germany which was the problem. The same with "Mother Russia."

    And BTW - philosophy for thousands of years has been a search for true principles. This isn't limited to modern day. It's just that as society has progressed and people have had more leisure time - and are willing to pay people to sit on their butts all day - we actually have the time and means to take a closer look at the matter - see Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.

    "Modern philosophy turned the Germans into a nation of killers."

    BS. German philosophy also brought us Kant and Von Mises.
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      Posted by 1 year, 1 month ago
      Why does it matter what most nations espouse? That is why America is essential. To say that nationalism is merely a form of association is to disregard the concept of nationalism and of association. I guess higher abstractions are not your strong suit. In addition, Mises is an economist with philosophical principles. He had the admiration of and direct access to Ayn Rand. He blew it.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 1 month ago
        "Why does it matter what most nations espouse? That is why America is essential."

        Ummm... You're espousing nationalistic principles right there...

        "To say that nationalism is merely a form of association is to disregard the concept of nationalism and of association."

        Do you even know what you are talking about?

        "I guess higher abstractions are not your strong suit."

        Try reading Sartre. He took things to the point of "higher abstraction" insomuch that it became utter nonsense. I'll leave that to you and stick with the simple and straightforward.

        "Mises is an economist with philosophical principles."

        Do you think economics and philosophy are separate disciplines? Von Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" would certainly disagree, as would most of Sowell's works. Economics is merely where philosophy plays out in real life.
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        • Posted by 1 year, 1 month ago
          Wrong again. I espouse Americanism. America's founding principles. The primacy of the individual. Property rights. Ethical independence. Capitalism. The opposite of nationalism. If you rely on Sartre for cognitive guidance, that explains a lot.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 1 month ago
            The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. That's where its funny. Americanism today is a far cry from the values espoused by our Founding Fathers, thus Americanism then is very different than Americanism now, yet you conflate the two by referring to the Nation rather than the principle all the while decrying the very terms you yourself continue to use. You decry "nationalism" while using it in your own posts.

            I never said I relied on Sartre for philosophy. I pointed out the ridiculousness that is claiming "higher abstraction" to be a note of superior intellect and used Sartre as the example.

            If you want to be recognized as a superior intellect, all you have to do here is make cogent points. But you're not going to get far if all you have is contempt for others.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 1 month ago
    Government is the result of the organized desires of people to lord over other people. Something is wrong with this whole idea.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 1 month ago
      The alternative is anarchy. A representative republic dedicated and structured to defending rights is essential to a civilized culture. What is wrong is the plurality of people who refuse to understand that.
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      • Posted by term2 1 year, 1 month ago
        true. When the USA was first firming, they hardly had a plurality of people who agreed on anything BUT getting rid of the English. We don't have that now. And half of the people think WOKE is OK. I think that WWE wont get the plurality until shit really hits the fan with the problems that woke will bring on. Just like things were portrayed in AS. When things got bad enough, people started thinking again.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 1 month ago
        Agreed. Government in and of itself is amoral - neither good nor evil. The problem is that people who are given power tend to seek more of it, becoming tyrants. It is a rare person indeed - like George Washington - who just wants to go back to being a farmer.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 1 month ago
    "Eichmann told his judges he was a faithful Kantian." The killing of reason had reached its natural consequence: the killing of man's soul and the millions of innocents. Simply stated, Kant's purpose was to save faith and religion from the Enlightenment virtues and the glory of man.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 1 month ago
      And anyone who has actually read Kant would be quick to point out that Eichmann violated nearly every Kantian principle. Kant didn't espouse the barbarity that Eichmann wallowed in.
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        Posted by 1 year, 1 month ago
        No, and so what? Obviously, you have no interest i the ideas this book explains. If you did, you would realize that Dr. Peikoff had already addressed this.
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    • Posted by j_IR1776wg 1 year, 1 month ago
      "...The killing of reason had reached its natural consequence: the killing of man's soul and the millions of innocents..."

      Has Reason ever recovered? Was it given a chance to recover?

      The only chance Reason has lies in the number of small groups like the one you describe in another post. Plus the linking or networking of these small groups with other groups. Otherwise, it will be a return to the dark ages.
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      • Posted by 1 year, 1 month ago
        I think it helps and is important to understand that everyone needs reason to survive, and that everyone uses reason, at least subconsciously, in most of their activities. The SS was an extreme example of abandoning reason in their interactions with others. As long as there are markets and minds free to innovate and produce, reason is winning. In America, the Democratic party and their proxies are the worst.
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