The God of the Machine - Tranche 23

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Chapter XI, Excerpt 2 of 3
The Meaning of the Magna Carta

It is an infallible sign that the political authority is already exercising too much power through the manipulation of finance, whether by exorbitant taxation, uncontrolled expenditure unlimited borrowing, or currency depreciation. The Charter contains a promise from the king that if any man died in debt to money lenders “and if that debt falls into our hands, we will not take anything except the chattel contained in the bond.”

With a wisdom in advance of the age, it did not propose penalization of “the Jews” or financiers, but restriction on the authority of the crown. The industrial-commercial group must have been strongly influential in framing the Magna Carta, though not named as formal parties. “All merchants shall have safety and security in coming into England . . . and in staying and traveling through England.” The kinetic energy was allowed to make the long circuit. England was on the way to world power.

Wrong with this scheme was in the strictly feudal order. Serfs and other workers on the land constituted the factor of mass, and the function of mass was asserted passively, by inertia, through the inherent limitation feudalism imposed on production. The defect was the absence of the mass inertia veto, as a national function, both in fact and in law. The whole land-title system would have had to be altered, to provide individual holdings. Such a thing cannot be done overnight.


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  • Posted by chad 1 year, 4 months ago
    As the state does not recognize the liberty or sovereignty of the individuals and recognizes only its authority over those it rules there is no way to change it, because it will kill whoever tries to change it to protect its own life.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 4 months ago
    "Such a thing cannot be done overnight."
    The 'royal family' should have had their unearned holdings 'divested' to the people at least a century ago.
    The banking cartel is also overdue to have their stolen loot seized to prevent more assassinations and wars.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
      I disagree - not divested to 'the people'. That is a collectivist idea and a false concept. Off the top of my head, a better idea would be an auction with the proceeds used to pay federal government debt and the balance distributed to municipal and state governments in exchange for a dollar-for-dollar reduction in property taxes.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 4 months ago
        While I understand your confused observation, selling stolen goods is yet another crime.
        Stolen goods should be returned to the victims of the crimes, not sold to others who may have used the corrupt system to amass wealth.
        The victims of the crimes do not have the wealth to buy the property that was stolen because it was stolen from them.
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        • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
          Spoken like a true Commie! Well done, Comrade! So exactly how do you propose to identify these crime victims? How do you propose to identify those who may have used "the corrupt system" to amass wealth? Did Ragnar deliver gold bars to "the people?" Was Ayn Rand corrupt for accessing her Social Security benefits? If you want to bar government employees from participating in this auction idea, great, but how do you prevent them from participating in partnerships or using proxies? Are you confused by the fact that there is no collective mind, there is no common good, there is no non profit? Are you confused by the fact that this series of posts is centered on a book titled The God of the Machine? Are you confused by the fact that this forum is titled from Part III of a novel titled Atlas Shrugged? Do you not understand that money demands the best and charity demands the worst?
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          • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 4 months ago
            Read the Creature From Jekyll Island and perhaps you will learn who the victims are.
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            • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
              Thanks, and I believe you've mentioned this book before. I've not read it; only read some commentary about it, and according to a couple of credible sources, its context is lacking objectivity, to say the least. Regardless, not only does its conclusions lack credibility, but it also doesn't seem relevant to anything I've said. To be sure, the Fed needs to be eliminated, or at least 80% of its authority. In addition, and as stated, my original reply to your comment was spontaneous, and after thinking about it, damn good.
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              • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 4 months ago
                Do you base your ideology on reports in the press? Do you base your support of Ayn Rand's Objectivism on reviews of Atlas Shrugged?
                No rational person without conflict of interest can read the Creature From Jekyll Island and still support the banking cartel's century of theft from virtually everyone else.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 4 months ago
      Here's my proposal - and if I were in a position of power I'd probably be killed for suggesting it.
      1) Mandate that the Federal Reserve assume all current US debt.
      2) Pass a law saying gold and silver were legal tender for all transactions (currently they are not).
      3) Audit the Fed and demonstrate they are culpable for the theft of untold wealth.
      4) Issue new banknotes backed by the gold in Fort Knox as replacements.
      5) Make the Federal Reserve eat all the existing notes and go bankrupt.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 4 months ago
        And all the member banks pay back to customers, former customers, descendants of customers, etc.
        all the interest they collected from customers on loans made above the banks actual cash available
        to loan. That would be interest on roughly 90% of all loans made since the fed res act was passed.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
    The separation of economy and state = the long energy circuit of a morally just society = decentralized knowledge and authority.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 4 months ago
      Unfortunately, that doesn't really exist. What you need is a form of government which supports and entrenches a free economy and rejects encroachments upon it. The US used to have such policies but these were gradually and incrementally worn down over time by the encroachment and empowerment of the bureaucratic state.
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      • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
        Yes, and I'm not well informed on the matter, but I believe the Commerce clause and the General Welfare clauses are the two primary flaws in the US Constitution that opened the floodgates for economic intrusion and today's federal protection racket.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 4 months ago
          As originally intended, neither is bad. The Commerce Clause was originally inserted to prevent the States from taxing each other's products and services by establishing Federal supremacy. (Remember that under the Articles of Confederation, each State was its own sovereign and their tax and tariff policies were a major source of friction between them.) It was never intended to be used to create a regulatory agency with the authority to set product standards.

          The General Welfare clause has been similarly perverted. Originally, it was meant to specify that bills passed by Congress couldn't be used to benefit individual States (or special interest groups) to the exclusion of others, ie. that laws had to apply generally.
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          • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
            Thank you, and I'm confident you're correct to say they are not inherently bad but maliciously misinterpreted and abused.
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  • Posted by illuci0 1 year, 4 months ago
    I live in Argentina, am an architect and city planner; and have a wide experience in what government should and should not do, for I worked for eleven years for the City of Chascomús as a Municipal Technical employee and later as a hired consultant.

    Public Workers and Political Administrators seldom know their limitations on the private individuals and businesses. Government should only limit itself to Public affairs, and when it comes to the private and public communion of enterprises, something that is inevitable; it should only act as a moderator and not a regulator of the market. Socialism tends to skim off the top with too many taxes, complicating private industry with sindicates and pressing laws on enterpreneurs.

    Anarchy sounds appealing, yet it couldn't last for someone has to act as a moderator, the laying of laws, the maintenance of public space, etc. Therefore there must be a fine line set between public and private enterprise, as well as a protector of national industry against international industry.

    'Nuff said
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    • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
      Thank you for the perspective. I think its essential to define Public Affairs. In a socioeconomic system grounded in personal liberty, property rights, and the trader principle, that is limited to the defense of those rights and the arbitration of contracts. For government to "protect" industry destroys all of that.
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 1 year, 4 months ago
    The stuff of dreams and dreamers....Biden has presided over the devaluation and lowering the commercial status of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA
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    • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
      It may be more accurate to say Obama. His tactics and legacy are everywhere in this White House, DOJ, DOD and DHS. The Fed accommodates both parties.
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      • Posted by Binkley 1 year, 4 months ago
        Obamma isn't that smart.
        (For instance, Obamma thinks the Magna Carta was a failure, not understanding its significance in terms of the evolution of a free society.)
        Obamma is not telling Joe what to do. Whoever was behind Obamma is behind Joe. But the big problem now is Joe has dementia: Alzheimers. But Leftist/Liberals are too dense to notice.
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        • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
          Great points, but he is very good as a pragmatic politician. I think helps to get a handle on how the criminal mind works. They can apply whatever intelligence they have to schemes involving the confidence of people who are even less intelligent. Their tool is force, not reason. Their reward is unearned wealth and recognition. Integrity and productiveness require true intelligence.
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          • Posted by Binkley 1 year, 4 months ago
            Obamma may be in a predicament of his own choosing. He can continue to pretend he is the smart one, that no one groomed him and selected him and "handled" him, that he did it all by himself, and thus save his ego; or he can come clean with his puppet masters, and thereby save his skin.
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            • Posted by 1 year, 4 months ago
              What predicament? The goal is destruction. It has happened and continues. They own every government agency, inflation is soaring, Biden and Kamahaha are performing as hoped, and DOJ is locked in. The problem may be a Ukraine disaster.
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              • Posted by Binkley 1 year, 4 months ago
                But my comments will have meaning for you, especially, as this 'war' is mainly a cover for the underlying conflict of "the collective vs. the individual". The conflict is what I have been calling the "vile entanglement of Leftism vs. Global Deep State". And Putin is not the Communist.
                Do you remember Ignacio Silone, an Italian formerly a communist, who said in the twenties or thirties that "The (figurative) Final Battle may very well be between a communist and an ex-communist"?
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              • Posted by Binkley 1 year, 4 months ago
                I was actually referring to Obamma's personal predicament, but got sidetracked.
                You don't think Putin will let the instigator of the Maidan revolutions in Ukraine and the subsequent coup that dislodged Yanukovich off the hook, do you? As well as those responsible for the so-called 'Arab Spring' across the Middle East and North Africa? Obamma was president then. We're looking for the head of the snake, so to speak.
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              • Posted by Binkley 1 year, 4 months ago
                Ah, I won't quarrel. Except to say that this war over in the "old country" is not just about Putin and Zelensky. There's more at stake than that relationship. This war may be said to be a 'proxy' war, but not East vs. West. It does involve Left vs Right, Global Deep State allied with Leftism in all its myriad forms, and nationalism vs. internationalism. Or better put, a greater and more even distribution of power over the globe. America's government was hijacked by...those we can't exactly refer to as Americans.
                I am researching possible parallels between the riots in America in the sixties and the riots in St. Petersburg in July 1914. I'm reading the memoirs of the French ambassador to Tsarist Russia, but was arrested when Paleologue (the ambassador) reported at that time that there were German spies involved in the riots. In trying to verify that I came across a Leftist ideology known as 'syndicalism' which I have never heard before. Bing, whom I refer to as Tony (from Asimov's SF short story "Satisfaction Guaranteed" gave me a source that states syndicalism was discovered again in the UK, the US and Germany, at the end of the turbulent sixties.
                Would you or anyone else here know anything about syndicalism?
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                • Posted by Dobrien 1 year, 4 months ago
                  This is an irregular war we are in it has been declared in fact. See Ghosts in the machine. Irregular warfare consist of many facets it is run by Special Forces it includes information warfare, psyops, Kinetic Warfare
                  ( Ukraine) special Forces (thinQ Qasem Soleimani) or (Khashoggi) , bioweapons , Lawfare , political. You are seeing it all play out. Both sides are active. If you are looking for just 1 indicator of success …ask your self how often you are hearing about the threat of Islamic terrorism. Trump with Kushner, MBS and Putin ended Isis and has rendered most of Hezbolla impotent. The Abrams accord is historic but the head of the snake needed to be removed. The coke stories reality is secondary to the narrative. This is an arrow fired by the good guys. Ask a liberal to explain Coke in the White House. The form of enslavement that the MotherWEFers want is a technocracy , non elected Experts mandate directives and Quotas for the Villagers. ThinQ tyrannical fascist genocidal degenerate masters/Slave society.
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                  • Posted by Binkley 1 year, 4 months ago
                    Dobrien, let me explain that I was a member of Obamma's admin in the early months---until I realized he was unfit to wield power. I know he, and at the instigation of his puppet masters, initiated the Maidan color revolution in the Ukraine in the fall of 2013. I know that he, at the instigation of his puppet masters, was responsiblie for what was referred to as the 'Arab Spring', a 'spontaneous'---they say---uprising of the discontented across the Middle East and North Africa. This is what the "war" is about: bringing the global actors to justice. We just have to find out who they are, exactly.
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          • Posted by Binkley 1 year, 4 months ago
            Yes, I agree. But even then, Obamma is a special case. He could sway crowds. In fact, he was chosen by his Marxist professors at Occidental College in 1982, when they watched the first speech he ever gave. He reports this first speech in one of his memoirs, The Audacity of Hope, (or Dreams from my Father) and said that he "felt important" when he was well received by the students. At the end of the term he was whisked off to Columbia University, the home of the Frankfurt School, whose denizens were the progeny of wealthy German-Jewish businessmen, who founded The Institute for Social Research at Goethe University in Frankfurt. These youngsters came to America in 1934, where they were welcomed at the University, probably because of their fathers' wealth. Even Richard Feynman could not get into Columbia.
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            • Posted by Dobrien 1 year, 4 months ago
              Acting. The worst of the worst are good actors ,they lie and manipulate . Barry Soetoro was Groomed first by Frank Davis and later after becoming a Sauna boy, he was under Bill Ayers thumb. Handled by Valerie Jarrett.
              You mention denizens of Columbia. They would be Prussians, the invisible enemy . Infiltration from with in.
              https://substack.com/@prussiagate?utm...
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              • Posted by Binkley 1 year, 4 months ago
                If you are referring to "The Frankfurt School" as "Prussians", maybe you're right. I guess I'll have to read the link you provided.
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              • Posted by Binkley 1 year, 4 months ago
                Yes, his relationship with Bill Ayers is much more than he admits, as he will only tell others that "Ayers was just some guy in the neighborhood." I believe Obamma's 'memoirs': Dreams From My Father, and The Audacity of Hope, are ghost-written, and the ghost writer is Bill Ayers.
                In fact, when I first knew Obamma, his relationship with that domestic terrorist was one of the things he did not want me to know about.
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