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  • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago
    I generally agree with Thomas Sowell. He is a writer I rather enjoy. In this article he has a bunch of unrelated one paragraph statements, most of which are great.

    This one I do not agree with:

    If an American citizen went off to join Hitler's army during World War II, would there have been any question that this alone would make it legal to kill him? Why then is there an uproar about killing an American citizen who has joined terrorist organizations that are at war against the United States today?

    The problem is that in WWII the american went over, put on a uniform and fought in a recognizable nation with boarders and uniforms. It was rather obvious who the bad guys were.

    Today, one could claim that anyone wearing turban and professing undying loyalty to alla to be our enemy, but we have not done that. We also have no official declaration of war. Until we do those things we are in a different place, and anything done during peace time to a criminal could be done to any one of us the government decided was criminal. Even in war these people deserve a war time tribunal either before we assassinate them or after we capture them and then put them down. With no war declared by congress the only legal way to do things is to treat these terrorists as we would any other criminal, due process applies.
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    • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 10 months ago
      You brought a good point and I find it disturbing that to identify a time when the USA fought evil that we have to go back to WW II to do it. Doing this implies either a: we haven't had to fight evil since, or b: our "leaders" are incapable of identifying evil in fear of offending the bastards. My question to the idiots in charge is: which one is it?

      We were successful during WW II because we named who the enemy was. We also identified their ideology and formulated plans to kick their arses.

      We were successful in defeating the Soviet Union because we identified the enemy. And we identified and UNDERSTOOD their ideology. We (via Pres. Reagan) formulated a plan to kick their arses.

      Now onto today: who's the enemy? No one (via the Ovomit administration) is allowed to name it. What's the enemy's guiding ideology? Again, no one's allowed to mention that either. You can guess what will become of the efforts by our military who are completely overcome with PC (at both officer and enlisted ranks) by not being able to identify the enemy and their evil ideology. Can anyone here name a time in which a military force was able to completely defeat an enemy when they didn't know who they were fighting nor their ideology? I'd like to know. I'm not talking about a battle either, I'm talking about the overall war.
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      • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago
        If a battle was ever won without identifying whom your fighting I would be amazed.

        Can you imagine bunker hill with a commander and men saying, "You know they may not really want to kill us, they may be friendly and just coming to restore the order that we have disrupted, we may have been wrong, lets wait and see what they do?" How would have that ended?

        Thanks for your comments.
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        • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 10 months ago
          I started LOL as I read your Bunker Hill/Commander comment. =) THAT comment would only come from a squishy, feely, & overly emotional LIBERAL type. Obviously, not a REAL MAN. Got Patton?
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    • Posted by khalling 11 years, 10 months ago
      I agree we have not identified our enemy, and we have not declared a war. and the "enemy" has not clearly defined themselves. unfortunately, you're right that Sowell is not comparing like situations.
      I also didn't agree with his judges/police statement. maybe I have a distrust of both, but police in the US have huge over-reach because we accept the premise they will not abuse power. This is erroneous. People abuse power roughly in proportion to the amount of power they have. Same with judges. we used to be a nation of laws. we are now a nation of men. the more arbitrary the power, the more you attract people who want that power and are happy to be immoral.
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      • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago
        Take that a step further. The more arbitrary the power, the likely those in power are to increase the level of selective justice that is applied to the people, and the more corrupt the people themselves will be.

        How can we trust anyone in a society whose foundation is a system of stealing from peter to pay Paul, and then stealing from Paul to pay peter back, but only if peter is there friend.

        So long as the base method of collection and paying for things is that the majority will take the club to a minority of its choosing, force money out of them by blackmail and then provide the "Needs" of society to there friends how can we expect to be an honest society.

        When Bernard Madoff is guilty of a ponzi scheme, but when the government borrows money, sales that loan to the federal reserve as an asset that the federal reserve then prints money against is not a ponzi scheme (sure sounds like one to me) becuase its the government, how do you expect to have people who are not corrupt.

        Only societies where every effort is made to apply the rule of all to all entities equally, and to apply taxation to all entities equally based on a percentage can that society stay honorable.

        Is it any surprise that corrupt systems that put the government under one set of laws and us under another would result in a corrupt society? I think not.

        Any man or woman that is ok with the state of things in our government, or thinks we are going in the right direction is not trust worthy, or they simply fail to understand the corrupt nature of the current system. The latter will change when educated and the first is guilty of theft, blackmail and likely worse and should be treated as such by the law. Any other act is not just as it applied different laws to different groups.

        Yes you hit a nerve, sorry for the growling.
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        • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 10 months ago
          Growl on!
          "In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other." Benjamin Franklin
          Our government is as corrupt as Bernie Maddoff and much of the electorate too!
          There is plenty of reason to growl!
          O.A.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 10 months ago
    A delightful article... I too find fault though with the notion that we can kill indiscriminately without a trial or even a declared act of war. Even the traitors deserve to be shot while resisting arrest or a speedy trial with an even speedier execution!
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 10 months ago
    What passing scene is this random thought regarding?:
    "However emotionally similar envy and resentment may seem, their consequences are often very different. Envy may spur some people to efforts to lift themselves up, while resentment is more likely to spur efforts to tear others down."
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    • Posted by 11 years, 10 months ago
      My thoughts, People have long envied the rich, and there have been many cases where that envy has driven a person to succeed. Today most resent the rich for what they have simply want to remove there wealth from them, rather than achieve it for themselves.
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