Galt's Gulch

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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 2 years, 5 months ago
    From time to time, we all use 'figures of speech'. Like 'Drop Dead!' 'KMB', etc. We take these things with a grain of salt. I once told my darling son, "I brought you into this world, I can take you out of it!' He knew I was really stressed.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 2 years, 5 months ago
    Strictly speaking probably not, but such is part of the culture.

    For example, in the movie "Patton" Karl Malden played General Omar Bradley who was in command of an offensive and there is a scene where the Americans are taking a shelling by the Germans and Bradley takes cover with a private and the private says, "Who the hell is in charge here, anyway?". Bradley responds, "I don't know, but they ought to hang him!"

    OTOH, execution is still on the books for treason.
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    • Posted by $ 25n56il4 2 years, 5 months ago
      Georgie Patton was my hero! If Eisenhower hadn't gotten in his way, we wouldn't be having problems with the Russians today.
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      • Posted by mccannon01 2 years, 5 months ago
        Ain't that the truth! I recently watched a documentary on Patton and his desire to end Stalin's communist empire from spreading into the rest of Eastern Europe was well covered. There are theories he was actually killed to prevent him from telling the truth about Stalin.
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    • Posted by CMBurton 2 years, 5 months ago
      Yes, but Rand was against violence except in self-defense. She says it over and over again.

      “When men abandon reason, physical force becomes their only means of dealing with one another and of settling disagreements.”

      “The precondition of a civilized society is the barring of physical force from social relationships—thus establishing the principle that if men wish to deal with one another, they may do so only by means of reason: by discussion, persuasion and voluntary, uncoerced agreement.“

      “One does not and cannot “negotiate” with brutality, nor give it the benefit of the doubt. The moral absolute should be: if and when, in any dispute, one side initiates the use of physical force, that side is wrong—and no consideration or discussion of the issues is necessary or appropriate.“

      It seems that some do not actually adhere to any of her principles. So why are they here?

      I think suggestions that anyone should be killed except in self-defense should not be permitted. It goes against Rand’s philosophy and what Galt’s Gulch and Atlas Shrugged was all about. When society set out to destroy the producers, they withdrew from society and started their own society.

      It seems to me that some on here don’t truly understand what Rand’s philosophy was or are trying to turn it into something it wasn’t. I don’t think she would approve.
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      • Posted by mccannon01 2 years, 5 months ago
        I'm not trying to argue with you, CMBurton, as you can see by reading my first four words above. I go on to offer a possible explanation of what you are seeing. Re-reading your question and your response to my post it looks like you really want to argue with someone over this topic. Maybe you would have been better off to ask your question and then be the first to post by explaining your position so others would have a better understanding of why you are posing such a question in the first place. My bad for getting sucked into your game, I guess.
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        • Posted by CMBurton 2 years, 5 months ago
          No, I’m really not wanting to argue. I’m trying to understand what is acceptable and what isn’t and why. It’s disturbing to see people advocating killing people in a place I thought was supposed to be based on reason. I don’t understand why it’s allowed.
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          • Posted by mccannon01 2 years, 5 months ago
            There's a lot of leeway allowed here because of a thing called "Freedom of Speech". If the censoring of speech such as "hang the treasonous bastards" even if stated as sarcasm begins, then where does it end? It wouldn't be worth logging in here. You may as well spend your time on Twitter and Facebook. May I suggest when you encounter a phrase you take umbrage with you take a moment and compose a polite note challenging the phrase and state clearly why it bothers you? We all might learn something in the process, including you from the responses you get and the dialog that may follow. Good luck.
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