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Elon Musk = Hank Reardon?

Posted by $ Abaco 2 years, 7 months ago to News
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Your thoughts? This time it's not steel. It's freedom of speech. The steel equivalent, IMO, was Big Pharma and, for the most part, the Science Institute won that one. "When their fat little comforts are threatened you can be sure that science is the first thing men will abandon." That was about 15 years ago, starting with Simpsonwood and continuing on today. Watch how the establishment goes after Musk, now... Already similar, IMO.


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    Posted by VetteGuy 2 years, 7 months ago
    Definitely some similarities between HR and EM.

    To me, one of the more interesting parts of all the publicity around Musk/Twitter, is the arguments put forth against him. It really pulls the mask off their agenda to control thought.
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      Posted by $ 2 years, 7 months ago
      Yeah VetteGuy! I call it "uncloaking". To hear an actual human sit there are argue against free speech if f'ing amazing to me!!! That's where we're at. These marxist progs actually claim that liberty and freedom is fascist. Anybody with an IQ over 80 has to see this for what it is. Insanity.

      Reminds me of a theory I heard about a year or two ago: America will eventually split along these lines with some states going for Liberty and some going against. What very few realize is that the Great California Exodus is just that! I was part of it, as are a lot of my friends. We're all choosing sides and voting with our feet. And...the media is now silent. They occasionally say it's "the high cost of housing", while failing to point out that most of California is as cheap or cheaper than all those states people are fleeing to. I spent double here than I ever spent in California. It was worth it...
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      • Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 7 months ago
        Given Commifornia's taxes, there are very few states that are as expensive to live in, and that doesn't even consider the restrictions on your liberty.
        If you are not a producer, Commifornia is less expensive, but still tyrannical. Even Eloot left there.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 2 years, 7 months ago
      I'm thinking similar thoughts, VetteGuy. The protagonists (anti free speech fools) in this episode seem to have no idea how Orwellian they sound. I can almost imagine Thomas Jefferson et al slapping them along side the head screaming "Wake Up!".
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 2 years, 7 months ago
    I should add that I don’t know if ELONgated MUSKrat is a good guy or a bad guy, yet.
    But, if he’s making the guys who I KNOW are the BAD guys have heart palpitations that’s a GOOD thing.
    What I want the most is for The People to see this whole paradigm for what it is. And you have to be a special kind of stupid not to see this for what it is. Some never will. And that’s okay.
    Useful idiots are part of the equation too.
    These Elites are kind of all Jackals fighting over a piece of road kill anyway. The best solution is to get off the damn road.
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 2 years, 7 months ago
    The beautiful thing about Musk’s Twitter strategy is either way he wins. If the board accepts his offer (which they won’t) he gets a turn key social media company with huge market penetration.
    When they reject his offer, it will become clear to everyone that the purpose of Twitter is not to make money for it’s shareholders. It’s actual purpose is to propagandize the electorate.
    The cherry on top is that the other shareholders will most likely sue the board for rejecting an above market offer. Destroying what WE all know is a Deep State propaganda outlet from within.
    The other possibility.....Schwab gives Musk a seat at the table.

    Much like Trump did with media bias, Musk will drag the demons out into the light, where everyone with eyes can see.
    Doesn’t mean it’s fixed. But, now we know.
    And knowing is half the battle. (Couldn’t resist)
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 2 years, 7 months ago
    While I respect Musk going his own way, there are things he's doing which can't help make me wonder if he's not just a fresh face to implement the elitist plan from a different slant. I kinda feel the same way about Trump and a few of the actions he's taken, and the lack of actions taken following the last fraudulent election.

    Musk: fully autonomous cars compete with auto shut-off switches (pending legislation?) and GPS built right in, further the potential ability to remotely auto control a vehicle. The rollout of a global satellite communications network. The vacuous doge-coin (digital currency) spikes he likes to prompt.
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    • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 2 years, 7 months ago
      In my deepest darkest conspiracy theory, Trump was supposed to try to stay in the White House prompting an all out Civil War. But he didn’t take the bait. So we got President Potato instead. But that’s all kinds of multi level chess.
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 2 years, 7 months ago
        Or Trump did as he was supposed to by inflating the debt and removing the obstacles and safeguards put in place to prevent harmful/deadly corporate concoctions from being mass released into the public? In hindsight Warp Speed is damning as his continued insistence, knowing what we do now, to promote the jabb. Why?
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      • Posted by Owlsrayne 2 years, 7 months ago
        What we actually got was the Wizard of OZ. There are those in the WH that are behind the curtain operating everything. It was very evident at the Easter Egg Roll. It took the Easter Bunny (WH staffer) to pull JB away from the cordon-off crowds.
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    • Posted by jamesjohn63 2 years, 7 months ago
      Makes you wonder? Where are the facts? Is this the deteriorated Objectivist these days?
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 2 years, 7 months ago
        Who are you asking? Me?
        The national debt rose by nearly $7.8 trillion during Trump’s time in office.
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjon...

        Warp Speed - bypassing time honored safeguards to protect public health and eventually slowly murdering millions world wide.
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamc...
        https://www.npr.org/sections/health-s...

        Incidentally, I never, in a decade, claimed to be an Objectivist. I also claimed from eh beginning that we should be wary about Trump and refuse the jabbs and the masks.

        Some interesting posts I presented a while back that no one here, Objectivists, bothered to watch. If you refuse to believe their own words...
        https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

        https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

        I live in a border state and have for more than a few decades. There's been many wolves in sheep's clothing who reveal themselves as two faced one they have their seat at the table. Surely some have been worse and more egregious than others but they are did the same, absolutely nothing, when it came to illegal aliens and the damage they are doing to my state, me and mine. I doubt the locality of such duplicity is localized.

        Why Trump? O left the county anemic and in bad shape, the cow was barely producing milk ($$$). Trump can restore the flow while still meeting key objectives (see above) to begin their next phase. Musk, like Trump, is palatable unlike any d so he can get more accomplished with less fury and more zealot-like support.

        My 2 bit.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 2 years, 7 months ago
    I wasn't a big fan of Musk, TBH. He got his money mostly from government handouts. But I fully support his plans to buy Twitter and expose all of the corruption going on there.
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    • Posted by jamesjohn63 2 years, 7 months ago
      Musk used 160 million of his own $$$ at to start tesla and Space X. I am a big fan. Government handouts? He bid on contracts for rockets. So what. As for tax breaks to buy electric, so what. He does not write laws. He pursued tesla and succeeded. When was the last time and auto start up succeeded?
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      • Posted by $ blarman 2 years, 7 months ago
        I'll congratulate him on gaming the system the way it was designed to be gamed. I'll stand up and cheer if he actually forces Twitter to expose the fact that they've been shutting down speech. But Musk wasn't a self-made man. He didn't invent something new. He just managed to be a better salesman who got other rich people to pay him to develop it - one of those being the US government.
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        • Posted by mccannon01 2 years, 7 months ago
          "He just managed to be a better salesman who got other rich people to pay him to develop it - one of those being the US government." Almost as if he read Lee Iaccoca's book!
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        • Posted by jamesjohn63 2 years, 7 months ago
          What you call gaming is a unearned slam. He took advantage of the laws as they are written. Period.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 2 years, 7 months ago
            An "unearned" slam? Not sure what you're talking about, but I think I do mention that the system was built to be taken advantage of. If there is a "slam" there, it is on the politicians who "graciously" [/s] allowed people like Musk to get millions of dollars of taxpayer money so they could go "save the planet."

            My problem with it is that THAT'S MY MONEY he's used to get rich! Do I get a dividend for it? Any compensation? No. Government appropriated that money from my pocket at the point of a gun, then went on to give it to people like Musk. Solar panel manufacturers. Traders in "green energy credits." And many, many more. All profiting from MY tax dollars.

            Just because a "law" is written does not make that law moral. Just because Musk isn't going to get prosecuted for his actions doesn't mean I have to condone them.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 years, 7 months ago
    I am very refreshed to hear free speech arguments!

    They predate Twitter. Elon said the same things about Russia and the Ukraine, and used his satellites to that end.

    Regardless of his motives, it is exposing a wealth of lefty Orwellian totalitarians with ridiculous statements about the NEED for censorship!!!!!!! Are you kidding kids? Listen to this!! This should be part of the RIMO platform in November.

    Repeal Section 230! if you censor, you obvious monitor, and you do not need section 230 protections. Either open your platform, or close it, and deal with the consequences of your First Amendment Rights.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 2 years, 7 months ago
    It's hard to figure Musk out...one moment he's all in on free speech and the next he's all in on the globalist financial reset, transhumanism and autonomous everything.
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    • Posted by jamesjohn63 2 years, 7 months ago
      Listen to me, Musk is trying to break the cabal. be objectivist, not unfounded theorist.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 7 months ago
        Welcome to the Gulch, jj63.
        As an objectivist, I examine evidence and apply rational thought for my conclusions.
        I agree that Musk used his talents in his youth to become wealthy, and he wisely grew that wealth.
        Unfortunately, like many successful people, Musk then pursued businesses that required
        government action to succeed and government 'favors' are effectively theft from the rest of us.
        Musk has been dependent on government handouts/contracts in his business for nearly
        20 years and that is still the case.
        Tesla has not earned any profit that wasn't stolen from other people by government action.
        That is still the case.
        Space X is wholly dependent on government contracts for its existence.
        Those contracts are funded by stealing from other people.
        What will Musk do if government acts to withdraw the favors that provide Musk profits?

        While I applaud action that supports free speech over censorship, it will take a lot of actions
        that support free markets and individual liberty by Musk to earn my support given his history
        of taking government favors.
        I hope you are correct, but I am not convinced by Musk's actions.
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        • Posted by jamesjohn63 2 years, 7 months ago
          I will quote Milton Friedman. "Do you take your medicare? Do you take Social Security? " His answer: it is a great mistake to be tarred in this manner" if it is the law of the land I take advantage as well as be disadvantaged". As for Space X he provided a solution that saves tax payers money. He was competing against other venders including Besos. I fail to understand the attempt to besmirch him this way. He used his own money to found Space x and succeeded.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 7 months ago
            I posted facts that I use to form my opinion of Musk. Musk's actions are a matter of record.
            His goals are unclear, imo. When I see enough evidence in his favor my opinion may change,
            just as my opinion of Trump changed based on his actions.
            On Musk, at present, we disagree.
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            • Posted by jamesjohn63 2 years, 7 months ago
              If you listened to his TED last week. His goals were made clear. Free speech. Have you read AR essay censorship, local and express?
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              • Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 7 months ago
                I watched it. His words are encouraging, but actions are more important to me.
                Public figures say lots of things that are encouraging but few act in a way that is consistent with their words.
                When Elon acts consistently to do what he said to enable free speech, I will be more impressed.
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                • Posted by jamesjohn63 2 years, 7 months ago
                  He is NOT a politician nor a "public figure" whatever that means. Is there a definition for that? He is a businessman who leveraged 160 million from PayPal to becoming the most successful wealthy man in the world (excluding oligarchs and other unearned wealth like prices in the Middle East.)
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  • Posted by chad 2 years, 7 months ago
    I see no similarities between Elon Musk and Hank Reardon. Elon subscribes to enriching himself by impoverishing others, not value for value trade. His invention of the Tesla car is interesting and non-functional in a free market. Without subsidies (money extorted from taxpayers) his vehicles would not work and would not sell. Electrical charging stations are subsidized, otherwise finding a place to 'refuel' would be difficult. Electrical vehicles do not have sufficient range to be efficient. Using air conditioning, heating, radio or other electrical needs severely impacts range. Mining of required rare earth metals is subsidized. His space program is subsidized. He invented solar panels for homes that are subsidized. I am not impressed with his work ethic or his willingness to harm others to succeed.
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    • Posted by j_IR1776wg 2 years, 7 months ago
      You are correct! A few years ago it came to light that Tesla was making hundreds of millions by selling carbon credits mostly to Ford Motors. He is a crony capitalist, nothing more. EM is not HR.
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  • Posted by jamesjohn63 2 years, 7 months ago
    Musk is the only person who can break the cabal. Separately and more important, Biden wants oil to drill on federal land now. The is Atlas Shrugged. With the premium tax they want they can't make anyone "Drill". Go try to make them.
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    • Posted by term2 2 years, 7 months ago
      Biden is just trying anything he can to save the democrats from defeat in 2020 and 2024. He will get us into war with russia if he can pull it off.
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  • Posted by andrewtroy 2 years, 7 months ago
    I don't know. I haven't followed his career closely, but Musk always struck me as more of a Francisco than a Hank. You know, "well if he invests in it, it MUST BE a good investment." He's just having it "nationalized" bit by bit along the way rather than in one big swoop at the end.
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  • Posted by Jeffro22 2 years, 7 months ago
    Lord knows we need all the HR's we can get, but we really need is a bunch of JG's to halt the Looters and Moochers from the worlds inevitable destruction at their hands!!!
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    • Posted by jamesjohn63 2 years, 7 months ago
      who are the looters and moochers? The foreign governments that get our money, the illegals that get our money, who/what else? The biden crime family, yes do you have more?
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  • Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 7 months ago
    Hank Reardon >>> Eloot Musk

    Hank had integrity and ethics. Eloot is a type of inexpensive sandal.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-fl...
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    • Posted by $ jbrenner 2 years, 7 months ago
      While I agree that Hank Rearden is greater than Elon Musk, Elon has moved away from his looter ways in recent years, and I can see that like with Hank, the tumblers are starting to click into place. Elon Musk does still have some contradictions, but like many of us, he is still learning.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 7 months ago
        When he uses all the loot he has taken from the People and creates the Gulch, I'll start thinking Eloot is reformed.
        The Gulch would be the best investment he could ever make, assuming the investment includes a method to defend it from looters.
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        • Posted by $ jbrenner 2 years, 7 months ago
          He is hoping that he doesn't have to shrug. By buying up Twitter, Elon Musk hopes to preserve a remnant worth keeping before the entire world goes into an abyss. We'll see if he succeeds. Elon making a hostile takeover bid for Twitter reminds me of what people like Dagny and Hank do to prevent the end from happening. While John Galt had a promising future, Dagny and Hank had a lot worth preserving. It was frankly easier for Galt to "go Galt" than it was for some of the other titans.

          As a business starter now, I am really fighting this battle.

          In Atlas Shrugged, the end appeared inevitable to most of us, but when you put yourself in their situation, it doesn't seem quite so inevitable, primarily because you think that you can insulate yourself from the effects of others around you.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 7 months ago
            I have always thought of Reardon as the most heroic character in AS, not JG.
            Any comparison of EM to HR is premature. EM has a lot to prove given his past,
            just as Trump did before he was elected.
            Unlike HR, EM has not succeeded on his own and has taken loot at every opportunity.
            I'd love to see EM as a hero of individual liberty, but so far its just hopium, imo.

            I wish you every success in your own efforts, JB.
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            • Posted by $ jbrenner 2 years, 7 months ago
              Thanks, but wishing but won't make it so, regarding my efforts.

              As for Elon Musk, he has success at multiple companies already, granted with some government help. Now that he doesn't need the government help, it appears that he has weaned himself off of such help, and I am sure that the taxes that he has paid or will pay will way more than offset what amounts now to a government loan.
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            • Posted by $ jbrenner 2 years, 7 months ago
              Rearden is an heroic character, but his flaw is that he thinks he can succeed despite a government openly attacking him.
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              • Posted by term2 2 years, 7 months ago
                I have accepted that the government is more powerful than I am, and will take from me whatever it can get away with. I no longer want to make money when the government is poised to take most of what I make.
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            • Posted by term2 2 years, 7 months ago
              If we establish a line wherein true statism is on the left end, and individualism is on the right end Elon is certainly closer to the right end. Turning Twitter into a way for people to just interact with each other without censorship would certainly move the country away from total statism, at least for awhile.
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          • Posted by term2 2 years, 7 months ago
            You cant win against a majority of statists who enlist government to make themselves more powerful. You do the work, and they eat. I only want to make what I can spend at this point. I dont want to feed government any more.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 2 years, 7 months ago
    I'm skeptical of Musk. He does not simply want free speech, or he'd just join Gab. And he is a graduate of WEF's Young Global Leaders program, which is a major red flag for anyone concerned about the Great Reset.

    Agree about the science. The key to judging the reliability of alleged experts is to follow the money. Fauci owns big shares of both the Pfizer and Moderna patents and stands to make billions if everyone is forced to take the shot.
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 7 months ago
    I love to see what plan B is. He is never going to actually get Twitter, but he might start up a competitor and put them out of business.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 2 years, 7 months ago
      Plan B is that he is seeking institutional investors to buy Twitter shares on his behalf using his money while not putting the shares in his name, thus not triggering the poison pill. This may or may not be considered fraud, but so can the pill itself (it is the directors, who own little or no stock in the company, protecting their own personal control agenda at the expense of the company).
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      • Posted by term2 2 years, 7 months ago
        I wonder if that would actually result in lawsuits and SEC problems if it was found out. Right now, he could probably threaten to cause a drop in the stock if he sold, or he could slowly sell off shares and actually make a profit on his past purchase of his shares.

        One thing thats certain- Elon isnt just going to roll over, Twitter makes no profits so its not a very viable business. People like the idea of "tweeting" (you can be whoever you want
        to be), but I cant see that twitter is that difficult to duplicate.
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