Expecting anything but statist rubbish from NPR is not rational.
NPR has been censoring free speech for 40 years.
NPR at best had weak leftists pretending to represent free markets or individual liberty.
They are nothing but communist propagandists stealing our money to destroy the things we treasure.

Here is the link to the original show.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/...
There is a reference to Ayn Rand shortly after 11:00. I wish they had gone into more detail.
Marantz talks about the government restricting hate speech to prevent oppression and violence, but I think oppression and violence need to be stopped through other areas, not through limiting speech. Marantz says we can’t guarantee free speech moves us toward the result we want, but the problem is who are are we defining what we want. People need to be left to be free to say and think unpopular thing. The protection against oppression needs to come from constitutional limitations. I know that a piece of paper really doesn’t have the power to make people follow a system, but I think gov’t force doesn’t really have the power to limit speech and thought, unless it’s like the gov’t in 1984 that monitored people all the time and was willing to use all forms of violence to make people truly believe what it wanted them to believe.