Does lockdown reduce deaths from CCP19?
Does lockdown reduce deaths from CCP19?
This thread adds to freedomforall's series asking for analysis of data.
Analysis of the relationship between excess mortality and lockdown severity in the United States (June 2020) Joel Smalley.
. .population-wide social distancing combined with home isolation of cases and school and university closure ought to have a very substantial impact on COVID-19 mortality.
However . . [there is] a statistically significant INCREASE in mortality associated with HIGHER degrees of counter-measure severity.
https://principia-scientific.org/stud...
Author Smalley says, the data shows what would be expected in the performance across collectivist thinking states and those where individuals are responsible for their own well being. Smalley's study is on US data, the story elsewhere is much the same.
My view- some poor evidence that lockdowns lead to more death, no evidence that lockdowns reduce deaths.
Be cautious about the use of 'cases' and 'infections', changes in these numbers depend on testing- how much is done and the accuracy of the instruments. (Erratic, and erratic)
One of the comments said- the death stats can be explained by differences in the way old people were treated. Many were thrown out of hospitals and sent to unprepared care homes (NY, UK).
This thread adds to freedomforall's series asking for analysis of data.
Analysis of the relationship between excess mortality and lockdown severity in the United States (June 2020) Joel Smalley.
. .population-wide social distancing combined with home isolation of cases and school and university closure ought to have a very substantial impact on COVID-19 mortality.
However . . [there is] a statistically significant INCREASE in mortality associated with HIGHER degrees of counter-measure severity.
https://principia-scientific.org/stud...
Author Smalley says, the data shows what would be expected in the performance across collectivist thinking states and those where individuals are responsible for their own well being. Smalley's study is on US data, the story elsewhere is much the same.
My view- some poor evidence that lockdowns lead to more death, no evidence that lockdowns reduce deaths.
Be cautious about the use of 'cases' and 'infections', changes in these numbers depend on testing- how much is done and the accuracy of the instruments. (Erratic, and erratic)
One of the comments said- the death stats can be explained by differences in the way old people were treated. Many were thrown out of hospitals and sent to unprepared care homes (NY, UK).
Not to mention, not being able to go to the hospital or your doctor to get treatment for anything other than covid-19.
EPIC FAIL.
Second, lockdowns of healthy people have zero upside and plenty of downside. Not only do you destroy the economy, but the rates of domestic abuse, rape, incest, and suicide have spiked - and no one is talking about that. And then there is the ridiculous notion that COVID-19 is going to overwhelm the healthcare system where most hospitals were furloughing doctors and nurses because there was nothing for them to do.
One of my good friends runs the cardiac care unit for the largest hospital in the area. They converted his entire wing into a COVID treatment area. They averaged one patient a day - tops - only 5% of their capacity. And in the recent "spike" of cases in my area - all in 20-somethings - not a single hospitalization, yet the governor took us back to stage 3 and is threatening going back even further.
Were all the experts wrong- -no, only the ones who wanted and got governments to act strong, decisive, blahblah.
The politicians claim as usual to follow The Science, but what they do is select the scientist who supports the power the politicians want.
There is a question- suppose the situation and evidence show that in a particular current case it would work, should it be brought in?
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/489710-socia...
https://townhall.com/columnists/larry...
two major field hospitals - one in Detroit and one in Novi Both dust collectors. Commonality of deaths from Covid in Ann Arbor - obesity and diabetes. Viruses do what viruses do - they cull the herd of the weak. It sucks to get Covid and die but the bottom line is that the strong survive. Take home message: take care of yourself, eat healthy and stay fit. No worries.
https://www.aier.org/article/again-wh...
The results do not prove that staying open necessarily caused the good outcomes, but should certainly lead us to question the notion that “lockdowns are necessary or else we all are going to die.”
Governors of no-lockdown states did not instruct nursing homes to accept active COVID-patients
Big media claim that to oppose lockdowns is to push freedom and wealth over safety and health - But the lockdowns were not medically effective.
https://youtu.be/kZqGSnVt8c8
1) The only thing that stops a virus is being stopped in its tracks by antibody cells within a sufficient number of infected persons . or widespread antibody immunity through a vaccine. If the virus meets up with antibody cells in an infected person before it can get "out" and infect another person, the pandemic is essentially over.
If a few old and weak people hide under their beds until herd immunity is reached with the masses, YES deaths of those old, weak people will be less.
But if you make large numbers of people hide under the beds, we prevent herd immunity from being reached, and the virus simply hangs around until those masses get tired out and come out anyway, and then infections rise. Thats whats happening now.
2) The virus will try to infect ALL unprotected victims as soon as it can get a shot at those victims- whether now or later.
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