Transhumanism Vs. A Conservative Death Ethos
This piece by Edward Hudgins in the latest Atlas Society newsletter is a pre-review of a book by Zoltan Istvan
In this short piece, Hudgins briefly addresses the central argument in Istvan's book.
He also address the argument of Wesley Smith a conservative detractor of both Istvan's argument and of Transhumanism in general.
It is not clear whether Istvan is making a case that Transhumanism is a beneficial movement.
Smith makes the case that Transhumanism is not beneficial because it is inherently selfish.
Hudgins makes the case that Transhumanism is not only beneficial but compatible with Objectivism precisely because it is selfish.
I find Transhumanism disconcerting.
Aristotle speaks of form and function being integral to each other.
He also speaks of human ethics being integral to this form and function.
Ayn Rand resurrected Aristotle's approach to ethics: "man qua man".
As an Objectivist, I believe that Aristotle and Rand are correct in their approach to the question of human ethics.
Marxists consider men evil and imperfect because men are not and yet should be ants, bees, or some other collective hive-mind insect.
Smith considers the Transhumanist possibility of immortality to be selfish because men are and should be plants which must "go to seed".
Transhumanists consider "man" to be a phase which man is passing through.
None of these lines of thought address the Objectivist ethical tenet of "man qua man".
Transhumanism strikes me as inherently Nietzschean.
If the Transhumanist possibility of immortality succeeds, then we would no longer be longer "men".
It is not only humanism which will have been transformed, but according to Nietzsche and Aristotle our values as well.
What then would be our ethic?
My concern is not of a Luddite nature.
It is more "Popeye" - "I am what I am".
Your comments are welcome.
In this short piece, Hudgins briefly addresses the central argument in Istvan's book.
He also address the argument of Wesley Smith a conservative detractor of both Istvan's argument and of Transhumanism in general.
It is not clear whether Istvan is making a case that Transhumanism is a beneficial movement.
Smith makes the case that Transhumanism is not beneficial because it is inherently selfish.
Hudgins makes the case that Transhumanism is not only beneficial but compatible with Objectivism precisely because it is selfish.
I find Transhumanism disconcerting.
Aristotle speaks of form and function being integral to each other.
He also speaks of human ethics being integral to this form and function.
Ayn Rand resurrected Aristotle's approach to ethics: "man qua man".
As an Objectivist, I believe that Aristotle and Rand are correct in their approach to the question of human ethics.
Marxists consider men evil and imperfect because men are not and yet should be ants, bees, or some other collective hive-mind insect.
Smith considers the Transhumanist possibility of immortality to be selfish because men are and should be plants which must "go to seed".
Transhumanists consider "man" to be a phase which man is passing through.
None of these lines of thought address the Objectivist ethical tenet of "man qua man".
Transhumanism strikes me as inherently Nietzschean.
If the Transhumanist possibility of immortality succeeds, then we would no longer be longer "men".
It is not only humanism which will have been transformed, but according to Nietzsche and Aristotle our values as well.
What then would be our ethic?
My concern is not of a Luddite nature.
It is more "Popeye" - "I am what I am".
Your comments are welcome.
Nietzschean... now that notion, if taken to create superior beings likely to rule over others is proffered, I am a apprehensive.
On the other hand it is not dying that scares me... it is living under tyranny...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ4pO7Ih8...
Handguns let some people rule over others, but then, everyone could have one and they lost their advantage. Alternately - and more positively - advertising became a special study. People complained about being "manipulated." Now it is all common knowledge, and - more to the point - we all use the same tools, as for instance, this post began with "Like you..."
The point is that every technology spreads to those who want it; and as it is replicated, the costs of production and delivery go down. So, even more can afford whatever is new and better.
Sarcasm is difficult enough to pull off effectively in person when non-verbal communication channels are wide open. So many repeatedly fail to use effectively in the text-only medium of the intertubes, that there needs to be a physical penalty...
It is also likely that the 'dumb masses' of society would simply self-delete when faced with the powers that accompany a trans-human existence. Their limited minds would be incapable of handling the bandwidth, and ultimately all the permutations of fantasy football would all be explored -- then what would they do?
Jan
In short, what you are saying is that any attempt to preserve the past is inherently a betrayal of the future. That has ramifications for those who embrace the "original" U. S. Constitution.
Is the logical next step to begin working around the pace, randomness, and narrowness of natural evolution and control (expand) our own evolution? Were the Galileo's, DaVinci's, Newton's, Maxwell's, Einstein's, US Founders' of the last 1,000 years (less than an eye blink in the time frame of Nature) freaks or representatives of Nature's evolution? What is our role, for good or bad, in controlling our own evolution? Who or What is the determiner or controller of the race's destiny as we take this next grand step?
Replying to this over on Rebirth of Reason, I said that I had to look up Leon Kass. Leon Richard Kass was one of President George W. Bush's science advisors. "...best known as proponent of liberal education via the "Great Books," as an opponent of human cloning, life extension and euthanasia, as a critic of certain areas of technological progress and embryo research..." -- Wikipedia. His is an old argument; and one perhaps not easily ignored. Enduring power - political, cultural, philosophical, ... ethos, Zeitgeist... - conserves itself, making change more difficult.
In this case, in particular, not only did the government not fund the research, which is fine, but they made human cloning illegal. How would legal controls on the Internet affect the "Internt of things" when some of those "things" are parts of your body or adjuncts to your brain?
3D printing makes body parts, from joints to tissues. Doctors and hospitals are regulated, but can the government prevent you from making these and installing them yourself? We have had robot surgery for about 30 years. Give yourself an anesthetic and run the program...
As for the Einsteins, that is a result of our population explosion. People like that came along once every lifetime (maybe). Now the 25% smartest people in China are more people than are in the United States. But they need freedom to make the best use of that intelligence. That is why we know more of these people in the 15th century than in the previous 10 or 15 centuries.
What might we base "values" upon if we have unlimited life, barring accident. My mind's eye envisions "Gort"....The Day the Earth Stood Still.
I do like the mental masturbation though! lol!
What if power is derived from morality - not independently from it? Then morality in and of itself becomes the pathway to power - not to mention the ultimate guide on how it is used. Food for thought.
is really: "Does God have the same morals he (might) expect us to have?"
I studied Rand in High School. Extracurricularly, of course. My friends all leaned liberal.
Anyway, perhaps you can give me a review. By the way, The question "Why should God be moral" relates to Objectivist Ethics how?
Rand's code of ethics--as actions--were expressed as moral pragmatism. What does that mean to you, exactly?
Where do I go to vomit???
How are you close enough to his inner circle for him to ask what your opinion is?
He asked me, in 2009, to espouse on morals, which I never do, by the way, so I read a few paragraphs from "For the New Intellectual".
See where he went with that?
(I had to reply to your comment on the general "Add Comment", by the way, we're running out of room here.
Rand's ethics are not based on "moral pragmatism. " As she wrote pragmatism can be amorphous not grounded in reason, yet hides behind it. This is a logical positivist argument and undermines the foundations for morality. You are perhaps confusing her with Hegel.
Again, I refer you to "The Objectivist Ethics" in _The Virtue of Selfishness_.
Nor do I make Objectivism into a cult or Rand into a Saint. For one thing, she was not an economist.
MM posted this same article yesterday, which is what prompted my looking into it
I make my opinion on what I understand to be the common view of Transhumanism in general: that "man" is a phase which man is passing through.
Technology has done more to feed people and eradicate disease than any well-intentioned charity program. If it is not crushed by political limitations, it will continue to do this: we are fully capable of feeding the billions, of providing electricity and education to everyone in the world. It is politics and people who think that they have the right to control others who are standing in the way of this - right now, and in the future.
There is no compromise on my right to mine own body, longevity (if I can achieve it), or potential reproduction. If you feel that you have the right to do these things, then I have only one thing to say to you: Get out of my way.
Jan
Jan
There are several paths this self-evolution might take: genetic engineering, with life extension only one of many options (enhanced sensory or physical capabilities as a possibility); bioengineering, with the ability to replace failed body components with superior organic components; cyborg enhancement, by the merging of human and robotic elements; possibly other paths that are outside the scope of my imagination.
The social implications of any of these futures will be challenging, since some will resist such changes as unnatural. How does a society handle the situation where some are truly superior, yet still cling to the notion of equal rights?
the youth of America is stagnating physically by choice. while my parents generation has increased life expectancy as is mine, I am 72, the generations following mine will see a lowing of life expectancy. as for replacing body parts we will need skilled doctors and obamacare is making that impossible. read "return of the primitive" by none other than AR. that is the direction we are going in.
I am a fan of public transportation, so I see the lower strata every day. I mean, looking out the window, I saw three guys I would call homeless in a ravine behind a strip mall tapping into someone's WiFi with a laptop. Elite? I doubt it...
I could see performance enhancing medical procedures for military purposes, but I suspect that robotics will make that unnecessary. Advanced prosthetics or limb replacement (regrowth?) will be available to all to restore function, and genetic screening and in utero treatment for fetal disorders as well, but the fancier procedures will take a very long time to "trickle down", if at all. I still think the issue of life extension is a social bombshell.
Nietzsche no.
Then, think of something obvious and common like speaking foreign languages. Only a few thousand years ago, most people had a hard time speaking one. Every language you learn increases your range and depth of thinking.
The Two Strkie Policy broom is a -comin'.
I'm thinking that now is a good time for me to let the newbies know of the Two Strike Policy on my threads.
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/6d...
My white space got stripped in the post.
Europeans need to stop beating themselves up and work on trying to figure out just why what happened, happened. Wallowing in guilt isn't going to get you anywhere. And I'm pretty sure it is guilt in being human that is the motivation for transhumanism. I see a lot of good in people-not always at every point in time and space, of course.
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Replace "Marxists" with "Christians" and you'd be correct.
Christians do not think humans should be ants, bees or some other collective hive-mind.
Marxists do.
— Proverbs 6:6