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GG&S, I'll check it out. (Lot's to read, eh?)

ONLY 17? Bwaaaaa ha ha!

Can take your breath away grrrrffffrrrrnggggg!!!

very funny, all too true for many times ,,

Oh. I still think it's a guy thing.

You can't picture yourself howling, hopping around and screeching intelligibly in what might seem like 17 different languages?
You have yet to change my mind that this ends up funny, (once the pain goes away or the remembrance of it)

Before I go to bed tonight, I'm going to post the link to the movie, it is Italian, produced 1942, went to the Venice Film Festival, then was banned and ordered destroyed by Il Duce, Mussolini.

About 22:23 or 23 minutes in, there is a great speech in the 'Student Cooperative'. Quotes like "Science is a weapon of the class struggle" and "We've outgrown the bourgeois egoism of personal careers".

I thought the people who would get the most out of this movie, are the budding Communists! (If any are watching.)

https://ok.ru/video/1546292366002

Okay, carl, you got me. I have no idea what this is all about.

Are you sure that's the right meme to go with the sentences?

My thoughts exactly! And frankly, in the 21st century, apart from a few select thinkers, like Sir Roger Penrose, we don't have the same caliber thinkers.

For instance, Neil Degrasse-Tyson.

I had a conversation with a black professor of physics once, about maybe eight years or so ago, who told me Galileo wasn't important because he wasn't the first. That's all he could get out of Galileo---Copernicus and Kepler had the idea of a helio-centric world system before Galileo.

The truth is, Copernicus and Kepler were NOT the first; ancient Greek astronomers broached the idea, but some clung to a stable earth.

Two, Galileo never claimed to be the first. He built his telescope after someone in I think the Netherlands or somewhere had built one. But what he DID do, and what got him into trouble with the pope, (and the Inquisition) Urban VIII I think, was that he had proved it, and said he had proved it. He used his telescope, and his observations of the moons of Jupiter, and of sun spots. And he never gave in, until he was accused of atheism, even though he was quite religious, and that hurt.

So back to the point, this black professor of physics couldn't understand that Galileo's great contribution to science, greater than any other, was his realization that it is man's individual mind that determines truth and reality, not the pope, not other scientists. And that realization released the pent-up frustrations of the Europeans, so they could advance science beyond any degree beforehand.

Have you ever read Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel"? He raises the question, why was it the Europeans who took off and became the originators of modern science and technology?

And that's a completely separate issue.

Which languages would you have started out with and out of all the noises you'd make, what made you think they were actually part of a particular language?

I found it! From 1942, an Italian movie, dubbed. It was lost, then found and restored.

But what's interesting, is that in Italy, after a few months, the movie was banned and ordered destroyed, by the FASCIST Mussolini! It was the top grossing film in Italy in 1942, and appeared at the Venice Film Festival.

And this is from the website https://wethelivingmovie.com/

The fascists banned the movie. But Trump, they say, is a fascist! What's going on here?

👍 Quotes very applicable to the 21st century priests of politics.

Galileo had trouble with the cycloid, but for the times he was a great thinker.

There is a book written and translated by Stillman Drake, published 1957, called "The Discoveries and Opinions of Galileo". Drake goes into the conflict of Galileo and other scientists and with the primary source of 'reality', the Church. Here's some quotes, and I'll add more later:

"...I seem to discern the firm belief that in philosophizing one must support oneself upon the opinion of some celebrated author, as if our minds ought to remain completely sterile and barren unless wedded to the reasoning of some other person."

"But I must not neglect to show, for his benefit and in their defense, how implausible is his deduction that their science was poor from their having had few followers."

"The crowd of fools who know nothing, Sarsi, is infinite. Those who know very little of philosophy are numerous. Few indeed are they who really know some part of it, and only One knows all."

"Hence I consider it not very sound to judge a man's philosophical opinions by the number of his followers."

But today, it seems that consensus is taken as proof.

Nope not a lot to sift through. 8 yrs ago , even 4 years ago most people were blind to the uniparty corruption. I was told to put on my tinfoil hat over and over again back then on this board. Today many who denied the reality are saying exactly what they called me a kook for. The Great Awakening required that the people be shown not told. I tried to do the telling and mostly fell on deaf ears, but now the majority has seen it. You have to know the problem to fix it. People know now. When Trump is inaugurated no one will remember what I have said. This whole op has been the most unsatisfying “I told you so” in history.
Many choose the path of least resistance.
For many you cannot tell them the truth.
You must show them.
Only at the PRECIPICE will people find the will [strength] to change and break the system of control [be free].
Q

I'll look up the Sacred Cow.

Crichton, in his book, had footnotes for every statement he quoted from 'alter' scientists. But what really impressed me was his realization that in trying to keep something from happening that humans have thought was happening, men have made it worse.

Yes, I read State of Fear a long time ago.
You might enjoy James Hogan's Kicking the Sacred Cow, too.
Hogan and Crichton both died too young.
Both had views that were critical of 'acceptable' science 'facts'.
For Crichton it was global warming that was a fraud.
Hogan challenged a number of generally accepted theories in Kicking the Sacred Cow.

Thanks for both. I liked Crichton as well, did you ever read "State of Fear"?

In the same issue with the first installment of The High Crusade, there is a short story called: The Brotherhood of Keepers, by Dean McLaughlin. I liked that one too.

The Astounding/Analog site has downloads of many of the pulp issues with many first printings of the best sci-fi:
http://luminist.org/archives/SF/AST.htm
hundreds of issues to download

Thirty or forty years ago, the only homeless people in America were the winos.

But now, it's different. I have seen them, I have lived with them.

'We' must fight back!!

Hey, your links worked!!

Thanks, freedom. But when I try to access it, it says print disabled only. I'll try your links though. I have the paperback, but these old eyes...

I might do that. The heroine's name was Kira, which is my name in Russian. Coincidence? I think not. No, just kidding!

There is an old movie version of WE THE LIVING as well, look up and watch.

Internet Archive is still not working well; I bought the Amazon Kindle version.