Preparing for the next National Emergency: the Gun Crisis?
Posted by Zero 5 years, 9 months ago to Ask the Gulch
A question to Trump supporters:
If he is successful in his bid for emergency powers, are you not worried that a future president would likewise bypass congress, issuing emergency executive orders to confront the "gun crisis?"
Or do you believe Pelosi was making an empty threat?
If he is successful in his bid for emergency powers, are you not worried that a future president would likewise bypass congress, issuing emergency executive orders to confront the "gun crisis?"
Or do you believe Pelosi was making an empty threat?
Does this fall within the scope of that act? I guess we'll find out in the ensuing court battles.
And what he's doing is moving money around, not removing a constitutional right -- which would probably instantly fail in the courts. Although FDR did get away with imprisoning a race of citizens, but then the Court let FDR do pretty much anything he wanted, it was a New Deal after all, not that old constitution.
Are you not afraid of what will happen next, when it's not your guy?
See Hussein National Emergencies Vs Trump
https://www.google.com/search?q=obama....
For the first time we have someone who is fighting for we the people from being totally enslaved by a criminal Cabal of RINO’S and D’s. I support and Trust Trump. It is an emergency open your eyes.
Not only nonsense, but dangerous nonsense.
We have long left the state of a country in which the fundamental principle of government for protection of the rights of the individual is widely accepted, with political policy and elections debated only as the best way to implement that. Our basic rights were not supposed to be on the ballot, let alone every ballot.
Almost every major controversy is now over individualism versus a drive for collectivism that was never supposed to be open for consideration in politics, and with both political sides progressively representing more of a collectivist, statist false alternative. It's becoming increasingly nasty and harder to pick who to ally with for a moral purpose even on specific issues, let alone elections.
With more statism on the ballot in every election, with neither candidate representing a proper alternative, all elections are morally dubious. Yet if we were to write them off wholesale in terms of "ends don't justify the means" as an out of context frozen abstraction, we would have to concede every election in advance.
Think contextually when applying principles, remembering that morality deals only with choices available in reality, and that there are political battles that must be fought for our own survival. Remember the role of morality in "causality versus duty".
Will name the politicians and others with his payoffs. Good bye corrupt leaders your days are numbered.
Under Trump the daily list of pages totaled 61,308 in 2017 and 68,082 this year.
Former President Barack Obama’s high was 95,894 in 2016, as he was rushing through new rules before Trump took office. However, both both former Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton had lower pages published in some years than Trump.
In what Crews has dubbed the “Unconstitutionality Index,” Trump has has also slashed the percentage of new rules to new laws passed by Congress and signed by Trump, he wrote in a second report issued Monday.
Trump’s 2018 index was 12: 3,367 new rules compared to 291 new laws.
The Index reached 29 under Obama.
“The point, though, is that the unelected personnel of agencies do the bulk of lawmaking in America, not Congress — no matter the party in power,”
It started with Hussein in recent years.
Remember his "I have a phone and a pen" mantra?
There was no other president in recent memory who "governed" by executive orders bypassing Congress.
Are you not afraid of what the next liberal president will do with this newly expanded power?
And I imply 'Wouldn't it be better not to take this opportunity to expand this particular presidential power?'
Not at all.
The left will use anything to expand their power, even illegal means. There are plenty of examples.
That's one reason you're so dissatisfied with the Republican Party, right?
They are not true small-government advocates but will assume powers un-given as readily as any other politician, right? So, of course, this seems a clear case of the right doing things they were not intended to do, no?
And seriously, if you are not afraid of power mad politicians hell-bent on making you do what they say... well...
I'll just be polite and let it hang.
(We are too rude in this new age of instant outrage.)
For example: Harry Read did not bring any bill up for vote during Hussein's rein. Can you show an equally egregious abuse of power on the right?
As far as emergency powers: Hussein used them a dozen times. Did you worry at that time how it'll affect future president's power?
As far as "power mad" politicians, I suggest you look for them in the Dem party. You'll be surprise how many of them you will be able to identify.
My BS detector is on high gain at all times and turns a full 360 degrees.
Just to drive home the point:
We all love the Constituion here, right? And everyone knows the Founding Fathers gave the power of the purse to Congress - the voice of the people.
And we all know this was on purpose - the single most powerful check-and-balance against abuse by the Executive branch.
And the congress that denied funds for the wall did, in fact, express the will of the people.
(All Dems oppose the wall as do a great many Republicans - myself included. Therefore, polls-be-damned, more than half of Americans oppose the wall.)
360 degrees, dude.
The Constitution gave the power of initiating spending bills to the House, with Senate approval required and all of it subject to presidential veto. That is what he did with the shutdown. Congress has also allowed some shifting of funds under the law, retaining the power to override it, also subject to veto.
Those processes should not be equated with an acquiescence to the notion of a standard that our current Congress represents the good and no one should use the law to oppose what it does. The entire process is used by both sides in a fight.
No, it doesn't..
No idea what polls you are looking at but you are wrong.
Dude.
The fact is our country is split almost exactly down the middle - half liberal/ half conservative. Every election is 51/49 these days. A 55% victory margin is considered a "mandate."
From that one easily deduces that half the country is liberal and opposed to the wall.
From the other half a fair number of Republicans are still Never Trumpers - myself included but I am far from alone.
Hence, by simple deduction, more than half of the population is not in favor of the wall.
BTW - what polls did you see that showed the opposite? The polls I saw showed numbers skewed heavily against the wall.
But I don't trust polls so I didn't reference them,
(I didn't say "polls be damned" because they were against my position - I said it because they are damn-able - constantly manipulated to get the desired result. I should have been clearer. That's my bad.)
The main focus was the wall.
95% approval from R’s
80% approval from the I’s
30% approval from the D’s
Btw we are not a democracy we are a Republic
What is the difference? I’ll give a hint one uses mob rule!
Second . the mainstream media is corrupt and a mouthpiece for the deep state.
https://youtu.be/G2qIXXafxCQ
Just to be clear here, an irrefutable argument is one which is irrefutably true.
To deny the truth - when shown/known to be so - is an intellectual betrayal of the gravest extreme.
You can call yourself whatever you want, but Objectivists wouldn't usually do that.
I understand the reasoning, but I hope (am not sure) people are a little more sophisticated. We've been building barriers at locations where there are high illegal crossings for decades. It worked. Illegal crossings are down 82%. President Trump making a big deal out of the issue is just a dog whistle for his deplorables, not a real issue. Democrats play right along, opposing it, even though they supported it in the past and it worked.
Back in high school, people said you had to be tripping out on acid to understand The Wall, and it's even more true today.
The politics reminds me of the most disgusting behavior I've seen at work. The job is 82% done and instead of carrying on with the job a few jerks instead try to get people angry and exploit that for dishonest gain. .
I am very concerned about every growing executive power. Many people can tell who to blame for it, but no one has a solution to stop it.
I'm curious about this. Are people intentionally delaying completion in order to cause "cost overruns"? Is this happening in private industry or government?
I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's going on, but it's not what I'm saying. I'm saying Congress has been spending money building border barriers, which have been effective at reducing illegal crossings. We should keep doing more of the same where we see significant illegal crossings. But President Trump hyped it as a bold new idea, and Democrats go along with the hype but say they're against it.
I believe President Trump's main ability is getting attention. He's effectively turned something that we have been doing for decades successfully into a debate over an imaginary issue.
When someone can convince enough people to wake up and stop giving their consent and their money to the feds, then there will be a chance for the unconstitutional overreach to stop.
Until that happens Americans will follow the new savior of the moment. Trump may be the least harmful and the best chance for a return to constitutional government, but only if he resists the temptation of great power and can gather enough allies and support to defeat a very powerful deep state enemy that has been manipulating people for centuries. The risk that any leader will be willing to give up the power once vested is a great danger to liberty.
If Americans give up their firearms there is nothing to prevent dictatorship.
I have no peaceful solution to this quandary, Zero.
FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.........
He had enough of us to get himself elected.
But, now the demon dems are trying to bring in more voters across the border. And YES of course they will vote.
Wouldn't that include this moment right now?
Isn't this a direct call-out to stop giving your consent?
Most people just consent in ignorance and/or fear.
What will be the propaganda event that takes the place of Lexington and Concord? Will it be the evidence of treason by the previous administration and the most recent Dem candidate for POTUS?
Any president who tried to declare gun ownership a national emergency would be triggering a revolt. It's not unimaginable that a Democrat with visions of the grandeur of a police state might make the attempt, but it would fail catastrophically.
The least harmful ending to such a declaration would be the SCOTUS ruling it unconstitutional, violating the 2nd amendment. Beyond that is an invitation to violence, with most uniformed military siding with the citizen gun owners.
1) Where was this when Obama gave Amnesty/work papers to illegals?
2) He is doing it, WITHIN the guidelines of the laws. We have a RIGHT to have our borders secured.
3) If you point this at confiscating guns... BUT LIMIT it to ILLEGALS... I am okay with that!
4) If you think declaring an national emergency of Freedom of Speech or the Second Amendment is NOT a clear violation of our rights (vs. securing the border, which is part of the presidents job)... Then I think you are making the liberal argument.
Finally, we may well be past the point of no return. If Trump cant get this fixed up, it wont matter, they will come for our Freedom of Speech (closing conservative platforms... Oh, already started), and limiting gun purchases to those 21 and older (oh, done that), and then they will make magazines holding more than ONE bullet illegal (it's probably coming), and then, and then...
We are sliding down the slippery slope at a rapid pace.
But it isn't, as a matter of law, open-ended. It doesn't legally allow violating the Constitution. They increasingly do that politically, in accordance with ideas popularly accepted, not because of the emergency act, which is only one tool and rationalization along the way.
All of Trump's maneuvers, whether or not the goals are justified, are done without regard to proper principles or public appeals to proper principles of the rights of the individual. That is a big problem with his tenure as president, not the emergency declaration in particular. He's not setting a precedent so much as continuing the already established precedents. His sanctioning and promoting them is a false alternative to the left, serving to brand anyone radically opposed to the left as part of the same false premises. That is the precedent he's furthering.
Everybody's dying.
Pelosi is a witness hag using scare tactics to try to influence what she has no business influencing. In fact I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out she and her cronies helped manufacture incidents over the years to advance their "gun violence" anti-gun agenda.
The particular example of their "gun crisis" is meaningless for the National Emergencies Act because no legislation can authorize anything that is unconstitutional, such as violating the Bill of Rights. Democrats do it all the time but it isn't legal.
The real question comes in the enforcement, however, because without that, Orders are effectively meaningless. What is the standard enforcement measure of the Executive Branch? The military. Good luck getting those guys to go around with weapons drawn confiscating others' weapons. I know too many good men and women in the armed forces and there is no way they would go along with such an order.
Give me a break!
Nancy should be made aware that Term Limits is really a national emergency.
I hope courts disallow it and it turns out just to be a political ploy. If the executive branch making up a fake national emergency actually works, I predict another fake emergency will be coming soon, and it will involve "the children".
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