Declining and Falling, by Robert Gore

Posted by straightlinelogic 6 years, 6 months ago to Government
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The swamp’s most noxious denizens lurk in the empire’s military-industrial-intelligence backwater, swimming in their own excrement. Russiagate reveals the depths of their toxic and terminal corruption. The question is whether or not they’ll finish pulling the rest of the country into the sewage. Can America reject the filth and change course? The answer determines if America ever lives up to its founding promise, or if the present day is merely a middle chapter in The Decline and Fall of the American Empire.

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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 6 years, 6 months ago
    And to think that I once confused him with the other
    Gore (this was before I took a good look).
    I wish we could cut the government down to its proper functions (protecting man [includes woman and child] from force [includes fraud] and violence, and punishing same), and keeping our military strong in protecting us. And getting rid of the welfare state. And my getting a job and being able to do without Social Security (which I never wanted to be on in the first place).
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 years, 6 months ago
    A career in government "service" immerses people into a corrupt culture. I saw it even in the military R&D circles. There was a distinct disconnect about ownership of the money used in procurement. I found myself admonishing both subordinates and superiors that we were spending money extracted from hardworking taxpayers, not some magical money tree, and that we had a responsibility for accountability.

    My program manager put out a demand for any excess cash to his subordinate element managers, so that he could help another program manager whose program was seriously over budget. When I sent his thieves packing and refused his order, I of course was asked to come see the colonel. When he asked me why I chose to disobey his order, I asked him if he would keep lending money to a relative who never showed responsible management of the money, he said "Of course not," and then "Oh, I get your point." He had the good sense to stop supporting other PMs who whined about their overruns. My point here is that it's often wilful thoughtlessness and a desire to be part of the group that leads people down the wrong path, not so much an eagerness to do evil.

    One of the worst offenders is the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). I was aghast when sitting through a project launch briefing and heard the agency chief say that he was proud of the fact that over 95% of their projects fail, because it showed that they were on the bleeding edge of technology. The sad reality is that DARPA project leaders consider themselves engineers superior to any other, constantly ignoring the laws of physics in their demands. Contractors that are honest and tell them to stop looking for magic solutions don't often get into the game. My team of contractors took on the idea of a rapid response launch platform for small military satellites, proposing a modification of the F-14 Thunderbird to carry an upper stage. We conclusively showed DARPA that the launch profile they demanded was impossible, we were kicked out of the competition, even though we showed them how the mission could be achieved. The winner team proceeded to burn through 150% of the budget without so much as a single prototype.

    Government senior executives constantly seek to achieve a budget of over a billion dollars as a measure of their importance. The Reagan Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) missile defense program quickly became a body market, with thousands of support contractor personnel, when in fact they really only needed a couple of hundred advisors (I was nearly fired for pointing that out, saved only by the military member I was supporting threatening to end the contract if he lost my technical skills).

    The swamp is indeed deep, and the culture badly needs a change. If we don't lose track, we may be able to restore a degree of responsibility. If we don't, then we are in for a rocky ride.
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    • Posted by LibertyBelle 6 years, 6 months ago
      By the way, do you think the Strategic Defense Initiative could really have worked? If it was physically impossible, then it was physically impossible. But I don't have that knowledge. I have wondered about it for a long time. It would have been such a great thing if it had worked and succeeded.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 years, 6 months ago
        Missile defense technology has worked during realistic tests, at least for mid-course and terminal intercepts. Hitting attacking ballistic missiles in boost phase is the most desirable, and the most difficult. The Navy SM-3 ABM has conducted numerous intercepts, and we've deployed big midcourse interceptors in Alaska and California, hoping to be able stop threats from North Korea. There were plans to station those missiles in New York to guard against an Iranian attack.

        Truthfully, the big uncertainty is what happens if the intercepted nukes explode, as that screws up the radar frequencies needed to enable shots at the next ballistic missile. I always favored laser weapons in orbit as the best method, since it had no problem with nukes.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 6 months ago
    Way back when I think me dino was in the 6th grade, I read a prediction about the USA that stated every great civilization lasts an average of 300 years.
    Don't know if that's really true but I just did the math~
    2018-1776 = 242.
    300-242 = 58.
    http://www.usdebtclock.org/
    I'm 71
    The average life expectancy of a retired corrections officer is 59 and I do know some dead coworkers, some younger than me.
    No way I can live for 58 more years. Yeah, I'm doing pretty well for myself.
    Too bad I have offspring, though.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 6 months ago
      Well the Roman empire stood for about 500 years.
      https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-juEXqBfswR...

      As seen in Sir John Glubb's image above, most of the world's great empires lasted no longer than 250 years. Glubb looks at the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire as two different empires, based upon their distinct forms of government.

      One of the reasons for decline of empire described by Glubb is the influx of masses of people from outside cultures, religions, and ethnic groups, who are different from the core populations making up the founders and conquering peoples who brought about the original empire.

      Sounds familiar. And that has been done on purpose by the federal government for the past 30+ years.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 6 months ago
        Aw, who needs a stinking national identity? Just as Germany, France, Britain, Sweden and any other open border country just as responsible for the erasing of Europe as we know it.
        New thought: Wonder if an American citizen can say that in London without being arrested for not adhering to Draconian standards of political correctness.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 6 months ago
    Thanks Robert,
    I picked the same paragraph as you to highlight.

    First time in my life we have a President who is like a Honey Badger going after the Hive.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wH...
    Trump don't give a $h!p . The slime never thought she (the EVIL hag) would lose for many reasons including election fraud. They are panicking with every Trump success.
    RR in the kill box. {RM. JC.JC,AM,PS,LP,LL,BC-HRC,BHO,VJ, DWS and Prune faced Muslim Brotherhood JB}
    I know I missed a few but they will go down before America does.
    Respectfully,
    DOB

    Go Grassley go Nunes go Huber ? who (you will know soon enough) go Patriots
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  • Posted by chad 6 years, 6 months ago
    America's ideal of a Republic that would represent and protect the rights of man slipped with the first president and has followed suit with every one since. The process has been a matter of degree with each one and those who have been lionized the most usually have done the most harm to the ideals and laws protecting individuals in their rights to not be slaves and subject to coercion and extortion by the state. While some presidents after leaving office pointed out abuses 'while' they were in power none did anything about it while they were in office. I do not think America is in the middle chapter of decline, it is in the final phase which unfortunately can last for generations more while the greater populace think they live in the best country with the best hope. America long ago became an empire driving wars and destruction while pretending to be the bringers of peace. This pretending is not just for those whom are conquered or had their leaders trained in the art of keeping the populace enslaved, it is for those at home so they will continue to financially support, offer their sons and daughters to be sacrificed while praising those who destroy them and others.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 6 months ago
    Unfortunately, this article is right on. Unfortunately also, Russia and China are all too willing to take over the world by force and make the rest of us do their bidding
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 6 months ago
    This should be required reading for all high school students.

    As is common with these articles, I completely agree with the first part but not the ending.

    "swamp’s most noxious denizens "
    There's no swamp and noxious denizens. We became a decadent empire for the same reasons it happened to past societies. There's no bad guy. President Trump is upsetting the apple cart of being decadent empire the same way he gets attention for saying/doing other outrageous attention-seeking things. This behavior will not solve the problem. It will support the problem and point out the problem, the same way alcohol provokes and unprovokes basic human activities.

    " if the present day is merely a middle chapter in The Decline and Fall of the American Empire."
    I'm generally optimistic, but I think the president day is a middle chapter in the story of empire. Historians will point out some even that was "crossing the Rubicon". People living at the time won't see it. Maybe it already happened. But the future isn't written. History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.

    ewv says it's all about philosophy. I'm starting to see it that way. If we the people don't believe in liberty and self-reliance, then no amazingly well designed government structures can make up for it.

    So I think you're almost 100% right. But the talk of dark forces, though, reminds me of a documentary I saw that explains how evil companies forced wonderful things like Taco Bell and Xanax on us.
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    • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago
      Washington is a $4 trillion dollar a year honeypot. That kind of money most assuredly creates a swamp that attracts noxious denizens, bad guys and gals. I think if you could go line by line through the federal budget, you'd find all sorts of theft. Thiefs are bad people. The premise behind the entire endeavor--coercion applied by government to take funds from some people to give to others--is, as Rand demonstrated, immoral.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 6 months ago
        If "noxious denizens" = the fact that gov't is a large fraction of the economy, then I agree completely. But I don't think the cause is thieves or evil forces of any sort. This is a simplification and personification of the problem.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 6 months ago
    Robert, another discussion in the Gulch prompts me to ask your thoughts on recent actions. Is this tariff even about trade at all? Could it be about power instead? Is it one move of many to derail or delay China as the next world power? Is the meeting with Kim another such move? What other pawns are being positioned? I'm no Machiavelli (nor Bobby Fischer) , but I'd like to hear from one. ;^)
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    • Posted by 6 years, 6 months ago
      Funny you should ask, because I'm talking about it in my next article. I believe that Trump realizes US unipolarity is unsustainable, if for no other reason than the US national debt. We can't afford our confederated empire as constituted. He is willing to concede both Russia and China their spheres of influence in Eurasia. He sees the US, Russia, and China as the dominant world powers for decades to come. The competition will shift from military might and empire building to trade, natural resources, and commercially advantageous relationships. If that's the way the world is to be, Trump wants to tilt the playing field to the US as much as he can. Thus, he's upending trade relationships with China, Europe, Canada, and Mexico, who run trade surpluses with the US and who Trump believes have been the beneficiaries of lopsided rules in their favor. He is not necessarily wrong, although there is a tension between the US running trade surpluses and having the world's reserve currency (see Triffin's Paradox in Wikipedia). Not all of the US's trade deficits stem from unfair arrangements, although he'll use that argument as he imposes trade sanctions to get better terms of trade for the US. China is already a world power, a fact Trump concedes, but he's not going to allow them what he perceives as unfair trade at American expense. I believe he realizes that the US cannot reverse China's ascension as a world power, it's already happened. The article I mentioned will be out tomorrow.
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