Surveillance Cameras
Posted by richrobinson 6 years, 8 months ago to The Gulch: General
A few days ago a local news story had a local Police Chief bragging about how quickly a convenience store robber was captured. He showed the reporter one of the borough security cameras and bragged about how they had been placed all over the borough. He said there was no public place in the borough you could go without law enforcement being able to watch you. This should have caused outrage. Big Brother is here. The reporter clearly felt it was a positive story.What's happening???
Me dino has been known to make faces at surveillance cameras though.
Been there done that with semi-retired jobs.
Of course, I'm always hoping I am making faces at a tight wad pinhead for a security guard because me dino is mean.
Maybe that with air that smells really bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkWaT...
Yet that law also dampened ANTIFA's attempt to act out as really bad punks at Auburn University.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...
On the one side, the public cameras do significantly assist in catching lawbreakers, but does it place an unConstitutional burden on the common citizen? In my opinion, yes. Government initiated surveillance is only permitted based on a warrant. It should be as simple as that. Do individual businesses have the right to place and maintain cameras covering their individual premises - including the public walkways leading to them? I think that yes they do - provided they notify their customers of that.
Would seem to me that a camera, wherever, would be a violation of the "to be secure in their persons" clause.
I don't think that observing people in public is what they had in mind when writing the fourth amendment.
The same laws and logic apply to CIA/NSA eavesdropping on email and digital communications, because the communications lines are designated as public view as anyone can watch a router's traffic. If you view constant video surveillance of public streets to be an infringement on the Fourth Amendment, then so must also the CIA/NSA eavesdropping fall in the same boat.
One last point of significance, however: the Fourth Amendment does not apply to anyone other than government. It becomes a civil suit when one person takes a picture - still or motion - of another. The way it usually works is that if you are in a common space, you have no expectation of privacy and can be surveilled or photographed without your permission. If you are on private property, you must first obtain the permission of the property owner.
In a small town, there is no expectation of privacy. A few years ago, I revisited that small town and walked down the alley to get a view of the back of the house I grew up in. I noticed that I was being watched by three people in separate yards. I was definitely under surveillance.
As to the warrant, if a policeman walking down the street observes someone steel a woman's purse does he need to have a warrant to act on this surveillance?
That's a different circumstance entirely. In order to get a warrant, law enforcement must show probable cause that a law was broken by a given person and that warrant enables law enforcement to legally search for evidence among the property in the warrant. A law enforcement officer observing a crime being committed is not seeking evidence (the purpose of the warrant) and is authorized to intervene.
Blanketed the city with government snooping.
Disgusting.
Of course they say that. It justifies their existence, gives them a false feeling of accomplishment, and increases their funding. Our best way to fight back is to strike; stop the funding.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
George Orwell...
Regards,
OA
properly trained to think this is what is
necessary for their safety.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
15 years ago I was working on a video conferencing system for Microsoft. One requirement was the camera had to have a mechanical shutter. Even though it was much more expensive than an indicator, they said people will be creeped out by a camera on them all the time, regardless of the indicator. Now most people have a camera on their computer aimed at them all day.
20 years ago on some message board, possibly on FidoNET or something, someone said something like, "I know how to stop crime. Just put cameras on every traffic light; that'll stop it cold." I ignored it assuming it was an absurd suggestion aimed at trolling civil libertarians or it was someone sarcastically pointing out how bad the slippery slope can be. Now we do have cameras at every stop-and-go light.
I remember a controversy around the same time about facial recognition software. Now everyone can use it to find photos of themselves on FB.
I don't think the technology itself is horrible, but it does open a risk. The East German secret police had half the country spying on the other half. But there was no way to manage all that data. Now, in a time when DDR stands for Double Data Rate memory, there is. So we need rules and procedures to prevent abuse. We can't make the technology disappear. We need to keep it from being abused as much as possible.
The frightening implications of the growth of universal surveillance were dramatically played out in the TV series "Person of Interest." The idea that there could be an artificial intelligence enabling unending tracking of any person from myriad sources may not be that far off. In fact, some of the things I knew from my work with the intelligence agencies led me to believe that concept might already exist.
On the positive side, we're able to track down criminals faster. The Austin bomber should have realized that that he was likely to be caught on camera when he dropped off his package bombs at the FedEx shop. His real bonehead error was to park his truck right in front, where the license number could clearly be seen. Up to that moment, the police had no idea who the bomber was.
Use of tracking technologies is only going to grow, and it will be abused, on occasion. We have to do our best to elect good people who will prevent such abuses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SivK7...
And get on a plane and go through customs!
https://www.flyertalk.com/articles/bi...
I expect new laws will be coming soon concerning drones. A few years ago a friend of mine told me he has a pretty nice drone with a good camera and he paid about $2500.00. He was amazed at what his could do for a modest price. Government has almost unlimited funds and we wondered what theirs could do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6kBb...