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  • Posted by MattFranke 11 years, 4 months ago
    In Alaska, if you can own it, you can carry it, open or concealed, permit free. That's the way it should be. It's not at all unusual to see someone carrying a gun at the store. It's not the wild west up here, either. I'd say you're just about as likely to be shot by the troopers, as some random "guy with a gun".
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    • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 4 months ago
      You in Anchorage? I once lived there ~ 3+ years. Nice place. Loved it the whole time. I saw places in AK that most people didn't see if they stayed on the highways in their cars. =)

      Do they still allow everyone to carry 1 ounce of weed or less legally? They did when I was there. We got sick of getting the P test by the military because of it.
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      • Posted by MattFranke 11 years, 4 months ago
        The Matanuska Valley. A plane is the only way to really see the state for sure. I think with a medical card you can carry some on your person, however it is only legal in the privacy of your home for anyone else.
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        • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 4 months ago
          Nice. The Chugash mountain range is awesomely beautiful. Superb snowboarding up there. You ever had an Alaskan Snakebite?

          Mix Yukon Jack with some grenadine, 7-up, a bit of lime juice and some freshly fallen snow in your favorite water bottle. Shake a bit & enjoy. You may be sober at the bottom of the lift at Alyeska, but you'll be feeling a bit sloshed by the time you reach the top. Not that I would know! Cheers!
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago
    yeah, how are they getting all those unConstitutional gun ordinances passed? Because people really don't know the Constitution.

    I *wish* I could find some powerful rights organization like the ACLU that I could get to sue the State of Oklahoma for infringing on my 2nd Amendment rights.

    In order to "open carry", I have to get a "concealed carry" permit. In order to get that, I have to take a gun course at a local range. By the time I can carry in compliance with this ordinance, I've spent $200 or more. I can't spare $200 for a course; that's more than I paid for my pistol. So I can't exercise my 2nd Amendment right, effectively. And the State gets away with it.
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    • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago
      Well technically, the second amendment doesn't prohibit regulation of firearms, it just prohibits banning them entirely.
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      • Posted by MattFranke 11 years, 4 months ago
        Better check your premise. If "regulation" isn't "infringement", I don't know what is.
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        • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago
          If regulation qualifies as infringement, then why does the Second Amendment specifically state that a well regulated militia is necessary?
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          • Posted by MattFranke 11 years, 4 months ago
            The 2nd A only talks of regulating the militia, not the people's right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms (guns, knives clubs, pitchforks, swords, etc.), which shall not be infringed.
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          • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 4 months ago
            A "well regulated militia" obviously demands a militia with a chain of command...as opposed to a unregulated militia (read: an armed mob).

            "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

            This separate reference to the citizens would be redundant, if the first reference to a militia covered every citizen, as you are suggesting.
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      • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago
        Apparently you missed the words "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" in the 2nd Amendment.

        Try looking up the definition of "infringed" sometime.
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      • Posted by LionelHutz 11 years, 4 months ago
        I will also add for consideration the matter of the naval Privateer during the time of our Revolutionary War, the war of 1812, and the Civil War. These privately owned ships were issued Letters of Marque, authorizing them to engage enemies of the USA to disrupt trade and engage in naval battle. How were they able to do this? These privately owned ships had cannon arrays. Civilians owned CANNONS on mobile seagoing platforms and the Founders were fine with that and at times said "hey - if you want a little extra work, we'll pay you to fire those things at certain targets."
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      • Posted by LionelHutz 11 years, 4 months ago
        I'd debate that. The verb the founders chose for that amendment is "shall not be infringed". When you go to dictionary.com to get a sense of that word, you learn that the Latin meaning is to "break or WEAKEN", and suggested synonyms are "encroach or trespass". In my reading, this means even government REGULATION of the people's firearms ought to be viewed with great suspicion, and likely in violation of the amendment.
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        • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago
          The Second Amendment reads as follows:

          "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

          As you can see, the very first thing it says is that a WELL REGULATED militia is necessary for the security of a free state. Therefore, regulation cannot be considered infringement.
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          • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago
            The 2nd Amendment doesn't say "A well-regulationated militia".

            "Well-regulated" back then and in the context of the Constitution meant "well trained and supplied." "made regular".
            In fact, the famous ride of Paul Revere, it wasn't "the British are coming!" but "the regulars are coming!" that was cried.
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          • Posted by LionelHutz 11 years, 4 months ago
            This is a good point. I subscribe to the viewpoint that the meaning of regulate here is "to keep in good running order". The founders aren't saying "not only do we need to lay down regulations, we need to lay down a LOT of them" (WELL regulated). Rather, they are saying that since the security of the free state is under consideration here, the Militia (the collective group of citizens owning weapons) need to have their weapons in good running order, and have them be numerously spread about, and the way this is best accomplished is for the government not to infringe on the right for the people to keep (own) them, or bear (display/carry) them.
            See dictionary.com again, meaning 4.
            http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/r...
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