Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain

Posted by JeanPaulZodeaux 12 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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There has only been one President under the federalism of the United States who did not belong to a political party. That man was George Washington and in his Farewell Address he gave dire warnings to the evils of political parties. Few listened to him then and few are listening now. Indeed, John Adams, second President of the United States and a member of the Federalist Party not only did not heed Washington's Address, as President he pushed forth the odious Alien and Sedition Acts and two weeks before signing that legislation arrested Benjamin Franklin Bache (Ben Franklin's grandson) for making unflattering remarks about Adams calling him a bald toothless fool. Arrested for being mean. Imagine that! John Adams, a man who fought fiercely for liberty and wrote many essays in praise and defense of liberty showed no regard at all for the freedom of the press when it came to insults thrown his way and it looked as if his Federalist Party was vulnerable.

Vulnerable it was and the third President of the U.S. was Thomas Jefferson of the Democratic-Republican Party but at least Jefferson authored the Kentucky Resolutions in reaction to the Alien and Sedition Acts declaring unconstitutional legislation null and void. This was a few years before John Marshall would be appointed to the Supreme Court and ultimately find the power of judicial review for that Court. Ironically, Jefferson was incensed at what he thought was a power grab by the Supreme Court.

Every President since belonged or belongs to a political party. There is no Constitutional mandate for political parties. They may not necessarily be unconstitutional but the two-party system that has insinuated itself into the American political landscape, has used tactics that have deprived voters of choice. Recently the Kentucky Supreme Court has struck down a redistricting plan as unconstitutional and it is about time. However, when it comes to Presidential elections particularly, voting is increasingly becoming a useless distraction. A dog and pony show and akin to the bread and circuses Roman emperors would use to keep the population content and stay any possibility of uprising.

Too many people today believe their only option is to vote for the lesser of two evils ignoring the fact that choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. Worse, people are voting without regard for the rights of humanity.



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  • Posted by fivedollargold 11 years, 8 months ago
    I'm a Whig, but given the dearth of Whig candidates, I am stuck with either writing in the names of friends (thus far none has been elected) or choosing from the Demo-scat or Republican parties. I don't see it as the lesser of two evils, although I fully understand your point. Not crazy about either McCain or Romney, but both were far better choices than Ovomit. Imagine an American president who appoints Communists, Muslims, and racists to key positions in our government. One who gives us federal control over health care, women in combat, and throws money at useless green energy companies. And I won't even start on his cronyism and utter disregard for basic economic principles.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
    Re: Biff_Malibu's unreadable post:

    While the post is difficult to read, I was able to discern your absurd remarks about All Ready. It is beyond ridiculous that I should have to supply a link to define the damn phrase. One would think if you had doubt about what I stated you would have simply just done some research, but then again, I suppose if you were inclined to do any research I wouldn't have had to point to the Ninth Amendment either. Here is a link defining All Ready:

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/All+rea...

    Ignorance is nothing to be proud of.

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  • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
    It is worth pointing out that voting is a "civil right" and not an unalienable right. No person is born with the right to vote for government officials. This privilege is merely that. The sacred cow of voting in America is a push for the primacy of democracy - majority rule. There is an anti-Constitution sect, most notably Robert A. Dahl is one of the high priests of this sect, that find flaw in the Constitution because of its particular undemocratic doctrine.

    The Founders chose to establish a republic over a democracy in an attempt to prevent the majority from trampling over the rights of the minority. The republic of the United States - what remains of it today - was put in place to stop people from voting their rights away in favor of privilege.

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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 2 months ago
    I'm not voting for the one who's evil, I'm voting for the one who isn't. In turn, the evil one won't get reelected and my vote won't be wasted on a third party who doesn't have a chance. Let's not muck up the process of removing the evil one.
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    • Posted by BambiB 12 years, 2 months ago
      If you're voting for a candidate who isn't evil, you must be voting third party. Obamney and Rombama are the same.
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      • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 2 months ago
        If the 3rd party candidate had more than a snowball's chance, I would vote for him, but he doesn't.
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        • Posted by BambiB 12 years, 2 months ago
          How is a 3d party candidate supposed to win with reasoning like that? You're supposed to select the candidate you think would do the best job - not try to guess (and vote for) the one you think is going to win!
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        • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
          The electoral process is not a horse race and even in horse races long shots win and when they do the pay off is far better than voting on the horse most likely to win.

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          • Posted by WesleyMooch 12 years, 2 months ago
            If my state had a write-in option, I'd choose "hippie of the Right" Ron Paul (as slavish adherence to *all* of Rand's views is not my idea of a worldview), which is a more principled choice than Johnson.
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            • Posted by BambiB 12 years, 2 months ago
              I'd vote for Ron Paul too. But write-in votes aren't even counted in most states. Votes for the Libertarian Candidate at least improve chances of better ballot access.
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            • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 2 months ago
              If he had a chance I'd write him in too.
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              • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
                This attitude perfectly demonstrates the insanity of the two party system. Sure people would vote their conscience if only that candidate had a chance of winning. So instead they choose the lesser of two evils and let's make no mistakes about this, Romney is every bit as evil as Obama is and neither one give a good goddamn about the oath of office they would take as a condition of office. Neither one give a good goddamn about your unalienable rights and have all kinds of reasons why you need to be regulated.
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  • Posted by Biff_Malibu 12 years, 2 months ago
    What are the rights of humanity? Don't recall seeing those documented (cf. US Constitution).
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    • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
      That is probably because you've never truly read the Constitution for the United States of America. Within that Constitution there is a Bill of Rights and within that Bill of Rights there is a Ninth Amendment. That Amendment is express in its language and it doesn't take a "Constitutional expert" to understand its meaning.

      The Bill of Rights uses the word People. People are a part of humanity.

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      • Posted by Biff_Malibu 12 years, 2 months ago
        But does the US Constitution apply to humanity, or just to US citizens?
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        • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
          The Bill of Rights is not a grant of rights and has nothing to do with "citizens" and makes no mention of "citizens". The Bill of Rights is an express prohibition on government in denying or disparaging the rights of the people and any person within the United States, citizen or not have the same rights in regards to any U.S. government trampling those rights unlawfully. As for the rest of the world, unalienable rights are, by definition, rights that cannot be alienated. They are inherent rights and regardless of any political doctrine, all people everywhere have the exact same rights.
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          • Posted by Biff_Malibu 12 years, 2 months ago
            But the Constitution itself is solely for the People of the United States. I would argue that it does not apply to "humanity". I am concerned by your phrase "rights of humanity", it smacks of a world-encompassing body of law, which does not exist.

            Your discussion of "unalienable rights" references the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. These rights (e.g. life, liberty, pursuit of happiness) are not the same as those mentioned in the Bill of Rights.
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            • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
              Unalienable rights have nothing at all to do with the Constitution for the United State of America and there were Founders, particularly the Anti-Federalists who were vehemently against the notion of a Bill of Rights and were against it because they presciently predicted the attitude you now advocate. This is why Madison authored the Ninth Amendment to assuage the valid concerns that enumerating rights would then encourage people - such as yourself - to dismiss the unalienable rights of people and this is precisely what you are doing. The right to worship, enumerated in the First Amendment is not a "civil right" it is an unalienable right and it is demonstrably so that people were worshiping prior to the creation of the Constitution. The right to speech is an unalienable right and it is self evident that people were speaking prior to the creation of the Constitution. The right to publish is an unalienable right and it is demonstrably so that people were publishing prior to the creation of the First Amendment . The right to peaceably assemble is an unalienable right and it is demonstrably so that people were doing so prior to the creation of the First Amendment. The right to keep and bear arms is an unalienable right and it is demonstrably so that people were exercising this right prior to the creation of the Second Amendment. This is why the Ninth Amendment exists and its express language means that the federal government does not have any lawful authority to determine what is a right or what is a right and who has these rights. Your argument facilitates the odious assertion by Obama that the President has the authority to kill people without any due process of law. Due process of law is an unalienable right and all people, foreign or domestic have an unalienable right to due process of law. Eric Holder, in a speech given at Northwestern University Law School defended the Presidents "authority" to kill people without due process of law and when he was done the entire audience applauded. These people applauded the notion that any President has the "authority" to kill them without due process of law. This is who we've become as a nation. Insane fools applauding dictatorial power. Your arguments only adds to that insanity.
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              • Posted by Biff_Malibu 12 years, 2 months ago
                You sadden me, my friend. I invite you to find any mention in my posts of advocacy of any point. Nor have I dismissed any unalienable rights. In fact, I don't believe I've even advanced an argument. Your umbrage is misplaced.

                I am curious about your "demonstrations" of unalienable rights: various activities occurred prior to the Bill of Rights, so they are unalienable rights. This is a fragile argument; people had the right to own slaves (even after the Bill of Rights was enacted!), is this an unalienable right?
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                • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
                  People never "had the right to own slaves" people simply denied and disparaged the rights of others for their own personal gain. You spoke to the Declaration of Independence and cited the "right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" as being unalienable rights and now you turn around and dismiss liberty for those unfortunate enough to be slaves. The fragile argument is wholly yours and your house of cards is crumbling still. Backpedal all you want, but while backpedaling a quick spurt forward to claim their is a "right" to own slaves only reveals your lack of regard for unalienable rights.

                  "What is the basic, the essential, the crucial principle that differentiates freedom from slavery? It is the principle of voluntary action versus physical coercion or compulsion."

                  "Freedom, in a political context, has only one meaning: the absence of physical coercion."

                  "The issue is not slavery for a “good” cause versus slavery for a “bad” cause; the issue is not dictatorship by a “good” gang versus dictatorship by a “bad” gang. The issue is freedom versus dictatorship."

                  "If one upholds freedom, one must uphold man’s individual rights; if one upholds man’s individual rights, one must uphold his right to his own life, to his own liberty, to the pursuit of his own happiness—which means: one must uphold a political system that guarantees and protects these rights—which means: the politico-economic system of capitalism."

                  ~Capitalism the Unknown Ideal~

                  "A “right” is a moral principle defining and sanctioning a man’s freedom of action in a social context."

                  ~The Virtue of Selfishness~

                  "Within the sphere of your own rights, your freedom is absolute."

                  ~Textbook of Americanism~

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                  • Posted by Biff_Malibu 12 years, 2 months ago
                    I have not dismissed liberty for anyone. I have not backpedalled, nor have I built a house of cards. I have merely asked questions to build my understanding of your thesis. You have not supported it, merely engaged in accusations regarding my questions, accusations which assign arguments that I have not made.

                    I had thought that you might be a worthy interlocutor, but I have been disappointed. I wish you well.
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                    • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
                      In your last post, you had the audacity to declare that "people had the right to own slaves"! If that is not a dismissal of liberty then what the hell is it?

                      If you are for freedom then be for freedom. Don't hide behind disingenuous questions and pretend you are only attempting to determine what another is saying. Pay attention to what you are saying first. Why would you claim "people had the right to own slaves"? Just what the hell do you think a right is?

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                      • Posted by Biff_Malibu 12 years, 2 months ago
                        Answer me this: did the People have the right to own slaves in the United States at the time that the Constitution was put in place? I do not argue whether it was right or wrong. My point was (as you may recall) to show that your support for the rights mentioned in the Bill of Rights was based on the existence of activities PRIOR to the Bill of Rights. I maintain that your supporting statements were fragile, and offered up the practice of slavery as an example. There was no advocacy.

                        You are obviously a passionate person. I am merely trying to understand what you are saying. Perhaps our interaction would be enhanced if you would consider that I have rarely disagreed with what you have said, merely asked for clarification.
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                        • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
                          Pay attention! I all ready answered your question. I made the express statement that people have never had the "right" to own slaves and were merely denying and disparaging the rights of certain people.

                          Your straw man arguments and logical fallacies don't serve anyone and they certainly don't serve you. I never stated that the Bill of Rights was "based on the existence of activities PRIOR to the Bill of Rights" what I did do was refute your argument that the only unalienable rights were the ones Jefferson cited in the Declaration of Independence and pointed out that the enumerated rights in the Bill of Rights are unalienable rights and demonstrably so. The point was not that if an action is done that action demonstrates a right. My point was that people were all ready exercising their rights enumerated by the Bill of Rights PRIOR to the creation of those Amendments. You are misrepresenting what I've stated just to convince yourself of your correctness but you are doing this unreasonably and without an rational thought behind it.

                          This is your very first post in this thread:

                          "What are the rights of humanity? Don't recall seeing those documented (cf. US Constitution)."

                          Take note of the assertion that follows the question. Here is another assertion of yours:

                          "I would argue that it does not apply to "humanity". I am concerned by your phrase "rights of humanity", it smacks of a world-encompassing body of law, which does not exist."

                          Let me speak directly to this assertion now. All law is simple, true, universal, and absolute. Legislation is not law. At best, legislation is merely evidence of law. At worst, legislation is flat out unlawful. It does not matter where people live, they have the right to life, they have the right to defend that right, they have the right to property, and the right to defend that property, they have the right to worship, to speak, to publish, to peaceably assemble, and to keep and bear arms among many other rights and these rights are as valid on Venus, Jupiter, or the edges of the universe as they are here on this planet. Legislation is merely an legal act but it is no more law than the mathematical equation of gravity is law. Isaac Newton did not grant the universe gravity, he effectively described the law behind it.


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                          • Posted by Biff_Malibu 12 years, 2 months ago
                            Your last paragraph (finally) answered my first question: you assert that the rights noted within the Bill of Rights apply to everyone, everywhere, at all times. Fair enough.

                            Do you believe that all rights (of humanity) were completely addressed by the Bill of Rights, or were some left out? An example might be "right to life". Does this preclude capital punishment?

                            Of note, the term is "already", not "all ready". Perhaps the command to "pay attention" was directed to the wrong participant.
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                            • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
                              What is it with you and straw man logical fallacies? I assert that unalienable rights apply to all people every where. That the Bill of Rights enumerates certain unalienable rights doesn't mean that The Bill of Rights apply to everyone everywhere, it means that the Bill of Rights is acknowledging, as a point of law, that unalienable rights exist.

                              In terms of capital punishment it is a fatal mistake to allow your government - outside of defense - to kill people. Capital punishment is not a defensive action. The right to life does not mean that one has to surrender their own life so that another may carry out an action of murder. If a police officer, or any other person for that matter, knows beyond the shadow of a doubt that another person is about to kill someone and the only reasonable action is to the kill the would be murder this action is done by right. World War II was killing done by the United States that was done by right. Outside of that very narrow scope killing is not a right. Governments do not have rights that people do not.

                              In terms of your misguided grammar presumption. All ready means completely prepared. My argument against slavery that you ignored the first time was my complete preparedness addressing your question before you even asked it with the intent to stave that off. Asking the question after I ALL READY answered it was foolish.
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                              • Posted by Biff_Malibu 12 years, 2 months ago
                                Sure, buddy. You've now devolved into making your own rules about spelling. The pedantic person would address your use of "every where" in the first paragraph above by noting that the correct term is "everywhere". I have no doubt that you will come up with a justification for that, also. At any rate, I now realize that you are a well-educated idiot. Goodbye.
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