Galt's Gulch

Lies For Empire | Zero Hedge

Posted by straightlinelogic 10 years, 5 months ago to Government
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This article is from the Mises Institute in Canada and it hits the nail on the head as to what is wrong with US foreign policy in a very concise way.
SOURCE URL: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-03/lies-empire

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  • Posted by Solver 10 years, 5 months ago
    “The world is no more safer than it was when the War on Terror began.”

    True. And overall we have less freedom, more debt and a less certain future. All while those who continue to violate our individual rights by any means they deem necessary press on hard, tearing us down, wasting our most precious commodity, time.
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 5 months ago
      In fact, it is a lot less safer. We have been fooled into believing that the massive expenditures have improved security, they have not. Our extrication from a positive force in the world has opened up opportunities for all manner of despot to wreak havoc - on their own peoples and their neighbors.
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      • Posted by straightlinelogic 10 years, 5 months ago
        Everytime we "successfully" take out a terrorist, it can safely be assumed that we create a few more, unless you believe that dead terrorists don't have friends, brothers, fathers, mothers, wives, children, or other relatives.
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        • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 5 months ago
          OK. So?
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          • Posted by straightlinelogic 10 years, 5 months ago
            That's an amplification of your point, that the world is a lot less safer. My point being that killing terrorists creates more terrorists.
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            • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 5 months ago
              That just proves that we're not killing them fast enough or widely enough.
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              • Posted by Solver 10 years, 5 months ago
                Somehow this statement terrorizes me.
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                • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 5 months ago
                  There is only one way to deal with terrorists, and that is to eliminate them. Why would that terrorize you? Terrorism, by its very nature, is a philosophy of aggression, that is its very purpose. All Objectivists and other freedom lovers should want to eradicate this scourge as rapidly as possible.
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                  • Posted by Solver 10 years, 5 months ago
                    Random attacks against the innocent to keep individuals fearful is all too common and accepted as normal. Too many today think terrorism is a necessary means when it come to some greater good. One group's defense of freedom is labeled another group's terrorist activity.

                    Heavily armed groups rapidly searching out and killing off "labeled" terrorists across the world, frightens me. If they use any means they believe is necessary, such as using weapons of mass destruction. or skipping the “cumbersome” found guilty by judge and jury of peers before execution, it more than frightens me; it terrorizes me.
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                    • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 5 months ago
                      As I posted recently on this or another thread, the "rules" of war have changed - today we have asymmetric and terror used as tools of warfare. These methods are as disruptive as was the Revolutionary Minutemen hiding behind trees firing at the Red Coats when the norm at the time was formations lined up facing one another firing at one another en masse.

                      This is a reality, grousing that it "isn't fair" or that it is "against the laws of war" is foolish. Adapt or lose - thus far we're losing and the Israelis are at a stalemate.

                      The only way to "fight this battle" is to eradicate those who insist on using these methods. Else, you will forever be fighting with more than one hand tied behind your own back. Just my humble opinion.
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        • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago
          So do murderers, rapists, thieves, etc.

          That's called "taking counsel from your fears".

          If you really believe that, then there's only one solution... Endlosung... wipe out every Moslem on the planet.

          (that's sarcasm)
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 5 months ago
    The article ends saying that "sooner or later the jig is up". The jig is the enslavement of the world by the bankers, and it is most certainly not "up". If anything, the jig is now permanently entrenched. The bankers accomplish this enslavement through a variety of strategies, depending on the political and economic stage that a particular country is in.

    Other than that, the article and straightlinelogic's summary are spot on.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 5 months ago
    We should judge the merits of maintaining a global empire on their own, separate from the liberal / conservative thing. Maintaining a global empire is too high a price to pay, even if it somehow indirectly supports some liberal values I agree with. We are supposed to be republic, not an empire.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago
    I got as far as "bellicose transgressions of the United States government" and closed the tab.

    If they are that insanely biased, or blind to reality, they have nothing to say I care to hear.

    Empire is the most successful form of society in history.

    You all need to check your pacifist premises.

    "“The world is no more safer than it was when the War on Terror began.” "

    This is meant and taken as a condemnation of the war itself, rather than of the poor conduct of the war, hampered by... socialists, libertarians, pacifists, and other anti-Americans.

    The world *would* be more free, if the anti-American crowd would stfu and let us conduct the war as it would have been conducted 50, 100, or a thousand years ago.


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