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Obama: Muslims Built 'The Very Fabric of Our Nation'

Posted by $ Your_Name_Goes_Here 10 years, 4 months ago to Politics
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Unfarging believable. The founding fathers apparently either had nothing to do with setting the very foundation of our country, or they were closet Muslims.
SOURCE URL: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/28/Obama-Celebrates-Muslim-Contributions-to-the-USA


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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 4 months ago
    I'm not positive about this, but wasn't the first Muslim involvement with America a series of piracy actions off the coast of Tripoli during Jefferson's presidency? Any Marine will remember "the shores of Tripoli" from their song. Jefferson thought long and hard about what Washington had termed "foreign entanglements", but just couldn't tolerate the affront anymore.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 4 months ago
      Yes. What the history books tend to gloss over is that the Barbary pirates were based in Libya and were radical Muslims intent on controlling trade in the Mediterranean in order to push Islam. They would prey upon American merchantmen - commandeering their ships, enslaving their crews, impounding their cargo, and in one case even taking over a warship. It took an outright invasion by the US Marines who stormed ships and seized at least one port to halt them in their tracks.

      Jefferson was one of the first Presidents to recognize the ideological threats posed by Islam.
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 4 months ago
        Sounds like its time to send in the Marines again to kick the you-know-what out of these Radical Muslims and remove the threat to the nation...
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        • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 4 months ago
          Islam is the largest ideology by population in the world with over a billion adherents. That's a LOT of you-know-what.
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          • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 4 months ago
            I say we start with the Shoe-Diaper "expeditionary drops" referred to elsewhere in this thread... someone needs to get a contract for some size 19 Hushpuppies (in natural, not dyed, pigskin)... and get on the phone with Pampers.
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 4 months ago
        Interestingly, just today, Glenn Beck brought up the Barbary pirates. By the time Jefferson was president, the US was losing 25% of GDP to pirates. Europe was losing as well, but not that much.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 4 months ago
          What should also be mentioned was that this was long before government taxation of enterprise or the individual. All federal taxes were based on import duties, so the pirates were hitting the Federal Government where it hurt the most - the pocketbook.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 4 months ago
      I'm pretty sure you are correct. I suppose that constitutes "fabric", albeit not quite in the light he intended.
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      • Posted by edweaver 10 years, 4 months ago
        I have read that we started paying off the Muslim's to leave us alone as stated, during the Jefferson term. Guess that worked, huh? Kind of like how well paying taxes to our own government has gotten them to leave us alone. LOL Oh, that's not a laughing matter.
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        • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago
          http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_da...

          IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
          To call upon a neighbour and to say: –
          "We invaded you last night – we are quite prepared to fight,
          Unless you pay us cash to go away."

          And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
          And the people who ask it explain
          That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
          And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

          It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
          To puff and look important and to say: –
          "Though we know we should defeat you,
          we have not the time to meet you.
          We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

          And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
          But we've proved it again and again,
          That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
          You never get rid of the Dane.

          It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
          For fear they should succumb and go astray;
          So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
          You will find it better policy to say: --

          "We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
          No matter how trifling the cost;
          For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
          And the nation that plays it is lost!"


          (this is why Kipling is not taught in our schools; nobody wants a wise voter base.)
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    • Posted by Lucky 10 years, 4 months ago
      jbrenner- correct. It may not be correct to say that the pirates were promoting Islam, they were basically pirates. Another interesting point is that several European nations at the time, Britain, France, Spain, had strong navies but tried to ignore the problem of their shipping being attacked and crews and passengers captured and sold as slaves. They were busy fighting each other so the credit for stopping those attacks was with the US navy. It was not a great military operation, but good leadership. The pirate ships were not well armed, they were fast and maneuverable, no big guns but slaves pulling oars, all the others had only sails.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 4 months ago
    While I think it was fitting for POTUS to wish them a happy Eid (a pretty big holiday in the Muslim world) to somehow confuse a holiday greeting with our nations history tells just how desperately this guy wants to re-write history.

    I always thought there was a level of honesty and integrity that went with the office - at least in public appearances. Apparently this decorum no longer holds; this shows just how much this cat is willing to take it to a whole new level of &u!!$#!t. (pardon my inferred language.)

    I think its telling the way members of his staff - and cabinet - seem to resign with some regularity. They stay until they realize the stench and flee.

    USed to be, the term PotUS used to be one of awe and respect. He's turning it into eww and disrespect. And, not unlike some tin pot dictators of lesser countries past and present, seems not to care.
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    • Posted by Timelord 10 years, 4 months ago
      "While I think it was fitting for POTUS to wish them a happy Eid..."

      I beg to differ. The best course of action is for the President to refrain from recognizing any religious occasions of any kind. As noted by another commenter, whose religious holidays do you honor with an official statement? If you recognize one then you should recognize ALL of them. Between Islam, Judaism, B'hai and Catholicism you'd have to issue a statement almost every day! With over 20 major gods in Hinduism - it would never end!

      And think of the uproar when POTUS issued a formal recognition of The Coming of the Great Colander for those that "worship" the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 4 months ago
        Maybe ol' Potus should open a new cabinet level position, Secretary of Religious Greetings and Salutations... of course, that would not show his devotion to Islam...

        My point is simple. It's customary for the white house to send holiday greetings out, usually around mid-December. I have a few Presidential Christmas cards from my in-law's collected papers... pretty cool, those. So if the CiC wants to wish people a Merry Christmas, or a Happy Hannukah, or a Blessed Eid, or a joyous Solstice to Wiccans (now wouldn't *that* raise a s#!tstorm?), it's not a big f'n deal, at least to me.

        Know something funny? If you convert to Islam then renounce it, you get a Fatwah on your head. That's right, by converting *from* Islam you put on this huge target and are subject to immediate dispatchure by any other Muslim, for that conference with Allah regarding their apostasy.

        Ya know... I kinda sorta wonder if that's the driving force behind Potus... Perhaps (emphasis on the irony of that word) he *did* convert, and has to keep his obedience to the Koran otherwise he puts on that big ol' target. After all, Sharia law knows no boundaries (or laws, IMO).
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        • Posted by Timelord 10 years, 4 months ago
          This reply is off topic, but I'm not so sure that true Islam prescribes death for apostates. I heard from a person who read several translations of the Koran that it never says that anywhere - along with lots of other things that are in Sharia and things that some Muslims believe.

          I'm no apologist for Islam, believe me. I think Muslims are incredibly dangerous and the spread of Islam should be stopped. But I'm also interested in the truth.

          Just like when you listen to Christians who trot out snippets of the Bible incessantly, we're getting snippets of the Koran - out of context. If you can stand it tune into one of the Christian cable stations for a few minutes, pause it after each quotation from the Bible and go look up the passage. Chances are excellent that the quote they just used does NOT mean what they implied it meant - but you have to see it in context with the surrounding text. The same is true of little quotes from the Koran.

          I'm a hardcore atheist so the Koran and the Bible are both poorly written fiction as far as I'm concerned, but if you're going to quote fiction you should at least quote it in a way that doesn't imply it means something that it doesn't.

          All that being said, even if the Islam being touted and spread today is a false Islam, that doesn't change the danger it poses to the rest of the world.

          And back on topic, it's irrelevant that it has been customary for the President to send religious greetings. It's inappropriate for the reasons I already stated and the practice should be stopped.
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          • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 4 months ago
            A bit of an explanation, then...

            My other half was an expat engineer in Saudi for almost 20 years... and got to travel fairly extensively through a country that is not only the armpit, er, nest, er, dustbowl, er, birthplace of Islam, but one that is *so* hyper-ultra-strict Wahhabi (not Wasabi, tho Wasabi is not as strong as Wahhabi) Islam, so totally closed and *so* tightly controlled (with their very own Mahabith (secret police) and Ha'yah (religious police) watching and reporting EVERYTHING) that not only are foreigners are not allowed to travel unless they have special internal visas allowing them to do so on official business, but if you're suspected of something, God help you, for you are truly guilty unless you can somehow, from your prison cell awaiting your 500 lashes and 10 years (a light-ish sentence, BTW) , innocent (quite the trick).

            Public executions are a rather common form of entertainment there, especially in the more "rural" parts of the Kingdom - from apostate muslims getting their heads lopped off, to a suspected gay couple being strapped together inside a building as it was bulldozed on top of them, to the customary lopping off of hands for any of various and manifold reasons. So common that it becomes commonplace and a non-event. Also well known is that if you are in prison, and memorize the ENTIRE Koran, you will be pardoned. About 2 or 3 people a year accomplish this feat (and a feat it is!)... if you don't speak Arabic, well, sorry, guess you will by the time you're done.

            I'm not speaking from conjecture and guesses and stuff I make up and snippets from a book - be it the Koran or a Tourist guide or whatever - I'm speaking from knowledge gained from someone with legitimate, first hand experience there, in the dustbin that that Mohammed guy did his thing.

            If you want the "truth" seek out someone who lived there. Better, seek out someone who converted away from Islam and ask them directly. Or, if you feel especially gutsy, find an Imam, get a Koran, convert - heck, becom a Hajji and see Mecca and Medina... then go back to your current beliefs (or non-beliefs). Just watch your back...

            THIS is why Islam is the most common religion worldwide. Once you're in... you can never leave.
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            • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 4 months ago
              On a dark, hell bound highway
              Politics in the air
              Soft stench of the liberal
              rising up through the air
              Up ahead in the distance
              they saw a shimmer of hope
              The words they said of progress, hope, and change
              They were just so much dope

              There he stood at the podium
              cheezy grin on his face
              and I was thinking to myself
              He's gonna lead this land into waste
              Then he lit up his followers
              and they stole it away
              Heard the voices down inside my head
              thought I heard them say...

              Welcome to the new Obama Nation
              All is ours to take (all is ours to take)
              What a crummy fake
              We're livin' it up in the new Obama Nation
              Let me tell you lies (let me tell you lies)
              Why are you surprised?

              Their words are dirty and twisted
              with double meanings and bends
              He's got a lot of loyal commie folk
              who he calls friends
              How they dance on the graveyard
              of America's sweat.
              Some dance to gain power,
              some dance just to get.

              So I called up the Congress,
              "Please take this away"
              They said, "We haven't had that power here
              since that fateful day"
              And still those voices are calling from deep inside,
              "Have some guts, and stand up to this crap
              you got no right to hide..."

              Welcome to the new Obama Nation
              Power's in the can (power's in the can)
              Sell out to Iran
              They're livin' it up in the new Obama Nation
              We can grab and glom (we can grab and glom)
              Ask your new Imam...

              Smoke and mirrors in speeches
              Celebrating Eid
              and he said, "We will be the new overlord
              now that we've planted the seed."
              And in the Oval Office
              They gathered, lying in wait
              for their savior to make the USA
              His own caliphate...

              Last thing I remember
              the constitution in shreds
              call to prayer from the minarets
              the hope of liberty, dead.
              "Relax, " said the Imam,
              "We are programmed to control.
              now place your neck down upon this block
              so your head will roll...

              ©2014 The Vultures
              (all rights appropriated...)
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            • Posted by Timelord 10 years, 4 months ago
              I would never dispute what you're saying and I believe what you're saying. What I said is that I heard from two sources that appeared authoritative (one a westerner who studied the Koran intensely and one a Turkish Muslim who was speaking on the difference between religion and culture). Not having studied the Koran or knowing either of them personally I can only take them at face value while allowing that it's possible they aren't speaking the truth.

              One of them described the out of context problem; I'll paraphrase. [There is nowhere in the Koran where it says that non-believers may be murdered. The passage that is often quoted is out of context and actually only applies to the area around the Kaaba and refers to non-believers who are preventing your entry.] That claim may be true or untrue, I haven't read the Koran (yet) to verify.

              The second referred to the supposed Muslim custom of female genital mutilation. In actuality that was not a Muslim custom and is not described in the Koran. It was a custom of some tribes in northern Africa and they kept it after they were (forcibly?) converted. From there it spread just a little - but there are still non-muslims form that same area who still practice it. The same goes for honor killings - it came from a culture that was conquered by Muslims, not from Islam, originally.

              My original intent was that there are lots and lots of people practicing an Islam that shouldn't be considered true Islam. Remember, the Koran is the literal and infallible word of god and not one word may be added or taken away. If it's not in the Koran then (theoretically) it's not part of Islam. Christianity also has millions of people who claim to be Christians but who espouse beliefs that are nowhere to be found in the Bible. Are they true Christians or are they abominations? These millions aren't just evangelical nutjobs - how much of the Catholic faith is to be found in the Bible? I was raised Catholic, most of it ain't in there.

              Everything you talked about, Sharia, travel restrictions, killings, mutilations, punishment for apostasy - it's all real and it's all dangerous and it's all being done in the name of Islam and it needs to be stopped before civilization is destroyed.

              All I was saying is that doesn't mean it's true Islam. Maybe I should have kept it to myself!

              [{{If you want the "truth" seek out someone who lived there.}} My plan is to do that and also to try to read an English translation of the Koran. I expect that to be very hard because I can't even tolerate reading the Bible for very long and I was raised in the culture that believes in it!]

              [On a side note, my group had a temp work with us one summer and she was from Egypt. On one or two occasions we talked briefly about religion. She actually said to me that she didn't think people should be allowed to choose a religious affiliation, that the entire population of the U.S. should be forced to be Muslim. I had to shut up and leave because I was nearly overcome with the desire to beat her to death on the spot as a simple measure of self-preservation.]
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          • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 4 months ago
            When Muslims encounter apostates, death is one option. Paying taxes to a Muslim authority is a second option. The apostate's conversion is the third option.
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            • Posted by Timelord 10 years, 4 months ago
              I don't think you're correct on that one. An apostate is a person who has left a religion, any religion. I think you're referring to "dhimmi" which is a non-muslim living under Muslim rule.

              From wikipedia: Dhimma allows rights of residence in return for jizyah—tax collected from non-Muslims.
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  • Posted by LibertasAutLetum 10 years, 4 months ago
    That's funny. From all I can tell the first involvement muslims had with the "fabric of our nation" happened one Tuesday morning a few years back while we were all at work minding our own business.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 4 months ago
    While it's fitting to wish holiday greetings to a religious segment in our country (although I have yet to see him make a public pronouncement on Vesak (Buddha's birthday), a blessed Nouruz to the Zoroastrian community, or even a prosperous Baisakhi to the Sikhs living here) his determination to re-write history, and make it part of his Obamist Caliphate, is disgusting.

    There is a certain integrity and (at least public) honesty that's supposed to go with that job. This guy not only throws this out with the bathwater, not unlike some tin pot dictators in lesser countries, he just doesn't seem to care that his BS is blatant, his lies transparent, and people will swallow it like the Blue Pill...

    Inspired thought - maybe that's why the Dems took the "blue" for their color - the fantasy world blue pill of the matrix - rather than the red, or painful and brutal honesty pill of the real world.

    It used to be the term PotUS was one that drew awe and respect. Now it's become a term of eww and disrespect.

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  • Posted by johnmahler 10 years, 4 months ago
    Like every law or policy antecedent to President Obama, he simply ignores the separation of church and state policy. How America tolerates a White House celebration of Islam the day after beheaded Christians heads are placed on pikes by ISIS only speaks to the fact this nation has lost its soul.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 4 months ago
    The statement is ridiculous on the face of it. Might just as well ascribe the building of our nation to Mongol tribes. Muslims had absolutely NOTHING to do with the building of our nation, and Barry knows it. He's just sucking up.
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    • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 4 months ago
      He probably would, except that takes knowledge that the Mongols overran most of the middle east in the mid to late 1200's. He would then say they were influenced by their contact with the Muslims and the Koran, etc. etc. ad nauseum...

      Of course, that takes a knowledge of real history, not the made up kind that the Nation of Lenin taught them so very well...
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      • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago
        I like and admire Jerry Pournelle, the science fiction author (note I said "science fiction" and not "sf" or "sci-fi"... he is a "hard" science fiction author).

        In one of his "There Will Be War" anthologies, he included what became one of my favorite poems. It became a favorite because of the history surrounding the events of the poem, as revealed by Pournelle, appealed to me, and (God help me) involved one of my role models.

        "Lepanto" is not an easy read, but the story it tells about the Battle of Lepanto is important:

        http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/d3...
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  • Posted by peterchunt 10 years, 4 months ago
    I think we know were his agenda is leading us. I would first suggest he is drinking from the Koolaid, but he knows what he is doing and saying, and that is to fundamentally change America to a country radically different from what our founding fathers envisioned, and what most of Americans believe in.
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 10 years, 4 months ago
    It is apparent that Ovomit is unable to tell reality from fantasy ~ a common trait among those libtards and most repubs. (Boehner, McConnell, McCain, ad nauseum)
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  • Posted by MikeRael101 10 years, 4 months ago
    I'd be happy to honor those muslims who built the fabric of our nation. I'd just want to know who they are. Obama seems to love to make statements without facts to back them up. So. Mr. President, who are these Muslim founders?
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    • Posted by MikeRael101 10 years, 4 months ago
      I just sent off a polite email to Obama asking which specific Muslims founders I should honor. I wonder if I'll get a reply.
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      • Posted by Solver 10 years, 4 months ago
        Don't press send!!! You will be labeled a hate speaking religion hating racist! :O
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        • Posted by MikeRael101 10 years, 3 months ago
          I already sent it out. I was exceedingly polite. I'd like to know which Muslim I should honor as a founder of our country. I envision Obama giving an assistant of his the assignment of finding such a name. If he comes up with one, and it's totally legitimate, I'd be happy to propose that name be on a postage stamp to honor him:)
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        • Posted by MikeRael101 10 years, 3 months ago
          Hi Solver:) Thought I'd tell you that I did get an answer to my missive. An invitation to look at a video of Oama walking. I'm serious.! It calls to mind that hournalist who gets a thrill up his pants every time he sees Obama. Was I being seduced to become an Obama-homosexual??
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    • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 3 months ago
      Obama's scary answer to your question about the Muslim who built the fabric of our nation would be ... himself. After all, we just went through his fundamental transformation. The fabric of our nation goes back not to colonial times, but to 2008.
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      • Posted by MikeRael101 10 years, 3 months ago
        But, though Obama may be a fine President, at least one who has gotten much done, he did not found our country. I'd like to know about previous moslems who, say, built our railroads like the Chinese did, or who fought against the British during the Revolutionary War or in the civil war on *either* side. That is, who were these Muslims and what precisely did they do?
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        • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 3 months ago
          MikeRael, I think you misunderstood what I said. I was being hypersarcastic. I was referring back to his campaign speech counting the days down to his fundamental transformation of America. He considers himself a re-founder of America. All those years prior to him no longer exist. Yes, he is that much of a narcissist.
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          • Posted by MikeRael101 10 years, 3 months ago
            I think I did misunderstand your question. My apologies. Nonetheless I have that question still hanging in the air, tainting the very air that I breathe. I would know what the Muslim contribution to our country actually is. Do you or does anyone have an idea of this?
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  • Posted by RevJay4 10 years, 4 months ago
    And the closet door opens a bit more on the occupier of the WH and where his loyalties lie.
    He did say in one of "his" books that if it came down to it, he would side with the muzzies.
    I just wish folks would've read "his" books before he was elected the first time. No logical thinking patriot would've voted for him. Come to think of it, I don't think he was elected by logical thinking folks anyway. Oh well.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 10 years, 4 months ago
    Just think fundamentally: the principles that were the foundation of this country are abhored by Islam. Obama appeases anyone, esp. our enemies.
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  • Posted by NealS 10 years, 4 months ago
    I never heard of any Muslims that were `The Very Fabric of Our Nation". But you have to admit they are part of that fabric now. They took down those nasty planes and towers and murdered more people in our nation than the Japs killed at Pearl Harbor.
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