Unfarging believable. The founding fathers apparently either had nothing to do with setting the very foundation of our country, or they were closet Muslims.
How could Muslims have built the "very fabric of our nation" when the first Muslims to come to America did not arrive until the 2nd half of the 19th century? I know plenty of Muslims who are making valuable contributions now within my local circles, but prior to the last generation, I can't think of any Muslim Americans that most Americans would have ever heard of.
I just read an article on how tau protein aggregates in brain tissue of people with repetitive head trauma like boxers, wrestlers, and football players. The tau protein aggregation is similar to what one sees in Parkinson's disease patients like Muhammad Ali. While tau protein aggregation is also responsible for Alzheimer's, the mechanism for aggregation is different. One of my students and I are writing a paper on this subject, and I was surprised to find out that not all tau protein aggregation is the same. Mr. Ali's intelligence may still be unaffected, as different parts of the brain are responsible for motor control vs. memory vs. speech, etc.
I hope so. I fear for my own ascension into Alzheimer's. I've always had problems with remembering names and math formulas (though, to my defense, I've always viewed formulas as things that weren't necessary to memorize, but things to reference - so I always kept the reference handy). Things haven't changed significantly the past few years, but I still worry.
Alzheimer's has a strong genetic component. Get your DNA code now for $1000 and find out. My grandfather had Alzheimer's in his 80's. My father is starting to show significant signs now than he turned 80. My students are amazed at how well I remember names, but my memory for names is not what it was two years ago. And I'm only 47. Kind of scary.
No thanks. I have no desire to know, and even less desire for any other entity (gov't or insurance) to know so that they can deny any legal responsibility to uphold their contractual obligation.
Me, I'd rather take action to remedy the issue prior to ultimate outcome.
East central Florida. Many of them work in the space, energy, materials, national defense, and biomedical sectors. I am at a university, so we have more than our share of internationals.
I'm not positive about this, but wasn't the first Muslim involvement with America a series of piracy actions off the coast of Tripoli during Jefferson's presidency? Any Marine will remember "the shores of Tripoli" from their song. Jefferson thought long and hard about what Washington had termed "foreign entanglements", but just couldn't tolerate the affront anymore.
Yes. What the history books tend to gloss over is that the Barbary pirates were based in Libya and were radical Muslims intent on controlling trade in the Mediterranean in order to push Islam. They would prey upon American merchantmen - commandeering their ships, enslaving their crews, impounding their cargo, and in one case even taking over a warship. It took an outright invasion by the US Marines who stormed ships and seized at least one port to halt them in their tracks.
Jefferson was one of the first Presidents to recognize the ideological threats posed by Islam.
I say we start with the Shoe-Diaper "expeditionary drops" referred to elsewhere in this thread... someone needs to get a contract for some size 19 Hushpuppies (in natural, not dyed, pigskin)... and get on the phone with Pampers.
Interestingly, just today, Glenn Beck brought up the Barbary pirates. By the time Jefferson was president, the US was losing 25% of GDP to pirates. Europe was losing as well, but not that much.
What should also be mentioned was that this was long before government taxation of enterprise or the individual. All federal taxes were based on import duties, so the pirates were hitting the Federal Government where it hurt the most - the pocketbook.
I have read that we started paying off the Muslim's to leave us alone as stated, during the Jefferson term. Guess that worked, huh? Kind of like how well paying taxes to our own government has gotten them to leave us alone. LOL Oh, that's not a laughing matter.
But it causes real and specific pain to people that most politicians don't have the stones to defend. When you have to look into the face of a grieving family and tell them that their loss was for the greater good of not supporting other loss in the future, that's a hard conversation to have, and most politicians don't have the stomach for it.
IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation To call upon a neighbour and to say: – "We invaded you last night – we are quite prepared to fight, Unless you pay us cash to go away."
And that is called asking for Dane-geld, And the people who ask it explain That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld And then you'll get rid of the Dane!
It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation, To puff and look important and to say: – "Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you. We will therefore pay you cash to go away."
And that is called paying the Dane-geld; But we've proved it again and again, That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld You never get rid of the Dane.
It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation, For fear they should succumb and go astray; So when you are requested to pay up or be molested, You will find it better policy to say: --
"We never pay any-one Dane-geld, No matter how trifling the cost; For the end of that game is oppression and shame, And the nation that plays it is lost!"
(this is why Kipling is not taught in our schools; nobody wants a wise voter base.)
jbrenner- correct. It may not be correct to say that the pirates were promoting Islam, they were basically pirates. Another interesting point is that several European nations at the time, Britain, France, Spain, had strong navies but tried to ignore the problem of their shipping being attacked and crews and passengers captured and sold as slaves. They were busy fighting each other so the credit for stopping those attacks was with the US navy. It was not a great military operation, but good leadership. The pirate ships were not well armed, they were fast and maneuverable, no big guns but slaves pulling oars, all the others had only sails.
While I think it was fitting for POTUS to wish them a happy Eid (a pretty big holiday in the Muslim world) to somehow confuse a holiday greeting with our nations history tells just how desperately this guy wants to re-write history.
I always thought there was a level of honesty and integrity that went with the office - at least in public appearances. Apparently this decorum no longer holds; this shows just how much this cat is willing to take it to a whole new level of &u!!$#!t. (pardon my inferred language.)
I think its telling the way members of his staff - and cabinet - seem to resign with some regularity. They stay until they realize the stench and flee.
USed to be, the term PotUS used to be one of awe and respect. He's turning it into eww and disrespect. And, not unlike some tin pot dictators of lesser countries past and present, seems not to care.
"While I think it was fitting for POTUS to wish them a happy Eid..."
I beg to differ. The best course of action is for the President to refrain from recognizing any religious occasions of any kind. As noted by another commenter, whose religious holidays do you honor with an official statement? If you recognize one then you should recognize ALL of them. Between Islam, Judaism, B'hai and Catholicism you'd have to issue a statement almost every day! With over 20 major gods in Hinduism - it would never end!
And think of the uproar when POTUS issued a formal recognition of The Coming of the Great Colander for those that "worship" the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Maybe ol' Potus should open a new cabinet level position, Secretary of Religious Greetings and Salutations... of course, that would not show his devotion to Islam...
My point is simple. It's customary for the white house to send holiday greetings out, usually around mid-December. I have a few Presidential Christmas cards from my in-law's collected papers... pretty cool, those. So if the CiC wants to wish people a Merry Christmas, or a Happy Hannukah, or a Blessed Eid, or a joyous Solstice to Wiccans (now wouldn't *that* raise a s#!tstorm?), it's not a big f'n deal, at least to me.
Know something funny? If you convert to Islam then renounce it, you get a Fatwah on your head. That's right, by converting *from* Islam you put on this huge target and are subject to immediate dispatchure by any other Muslim, for that conference with Allah regarding their apostasy.
Ya know... I kinda sorta wonder if that's the driving force behind Potus... Perhaps (emphasis on the irony of that word) he *did* convert, and has to keep his obedience to the Koran otherwise he puts on that big ol' target. After all, Sharia law knows no boundaries (or laws, IMO).
This reply is off topic, but I'm not so sure that true Islam prescribes death for apostates. I heard from a person who read several translations of the Koran that it never says that anywhere - along with lots of other things that are in Sharia and things that some Muslims believe.
I'm no apologist for Islam, believe me. I think Muslims are incredibly dangerous and the spread of Islam should be stopped. But I'm also interested in the truth.
Just like when you listen to Christians who trot out snippets of the Bible incessantly, we're getting snippets of the Koran - out of context. If you can stand it tune into one of the Christian cable stations for a few minutes, pause it after each quotation from the Bible and go look up the passage. Chances are excellent that the quote they just used does NOT mean what they implied it meant - but you have to see it in context with the surrounding text. The same is true of little quotes from the Koran.
I'm a hardcore atheist so the Koran and the Bible are both poorly written fiction as far as I'm concerned, but if you're going to quote fiction you should at least quote it in a way that doesn't imply it means something that it doesn't.
All that being said, even if the Islam being touted and spread today is a false Islam, that doesn't change the danger it poses to the rest of the world.
And back on topic, it's irrelevant that it has been customary for the President to send religious greetings. It's inappropriate for the reasons I already stated and the practice should be stopped.
My other half was an expat engineer in Saudi for almost 20 years... and got to travel fairly extensively through a country that is not only the armpit, er, nest, er, dustbowl, er, birthplace of Islam, but one that is *so* hyper-ultra-strict Wahhabi (not Wasabi, tho Wasabi is not as strong as Wahhabi) Islam, so totally closed and *so* tightly controlled (with their very own Mahabith (secret police) and Ha'yah (religious police) watching and reporting EVERYTHING) that not only are foreigners are not allowed to travel unless they have special internal visas allowing them to do so on official business, but if you're suspected of something, God help you, for you are truly guilty unless you can somehow, from your prison cell awaiting your 500 lashes and 10 years (a light-ish sentence, BTW) , innocent (quite the trick).
Public executions are a rather common form of entertainment there, especially in the more "rural" parts of the Kingdom - from apostate muslims getting their heads lopped off, to a suspected gay couple being strapped together inside a building as it was bulldozed on top of them, to the customary lopping off of hands for any of various and manifold reasons. So common that it becomes commonplace and a non-event. Also well known is that if you are in prison, and memorize the ENTIRE Koran, you will be pardoned. About 2 or 3 people a year accomplish this feat (and a feat it is!)... if you don't speak Arabic, well, sorry, guess you will by the time you're done.
I'm not speaking from conjecture and guesses and stuff I make up and snippets from a book - be it the Koran or a Tourist guide or whatever - I'm speaking from knowledge gained from someone with legitimate, first hand experience there, in the dustbin that that Mohammed guy did his thing.
If you want the "truth" seek out someone who lived there. Better, seek out someone who converted away from Islam and ask them directly. Or, if you feel especially gutsy, find an Imam, get a Koran, convert - heck, becom a Hajji and see Mecca and Medina... then go back to your current beliefs (or non-beliefs). Just watch your back...
THIS is why Islam is the most common religion worldwide. Once you're in... you can never leave.
On a dark, hell bound highway Politics in the air Soft stench of the liberal rising up through the air Up ahead in the distance they saw a shimmer of hope The words they said of progress, hope, and change They were just so much dope
There he stood at the podium cheezy grin on his face and I was thinking to myself He's gonna lead this land into waste Then he lit up his followers and they stole it away Heard the voices down inside my head thought I heard them say...
Welcome to the new Obama Nation All is ours to take (all is ours to take) What a crummy fake We're livin' it up in the new Obama Nation Let me tell you lies (let me tell you lies) Why are you surprised?
Their words are dirty and twisted with double meanings and bends He's got a lot of loyal commie folk who he calls friends How they dance on the graveyard of America's sweat. Some dance to gain power, some dance just to get.
So I called up the Congress, "Please take this away" They said, "We haven't had that power here since that fateful day" And still those voices are calling from deep inside, "Have some guts, and stand up to this crap you got no right to hide..."
Welcome to the new Obama Nation Power's in the can (power's in the can) Sell out to Iran They're livin' it up in the new Obama Nation We can grab and glom (we can grab and glom) Ask your new Imam...
Smoke and mirrors in speeches Celebrating Eid and he said, "We will be the new overlord now that we've planted the seed." And in the Oval Office They gathered, lying in wait for their savior to make the USA His own caliphate...
Last thing I remember the constitution in shreds call to prayer from the minarets the hope of liberty, dead. "Relax, " said the Imam, "We are programmed to control. now place your neck down upon this block so your head will roll...
I would never dispute what you're saying and I believe what you're saying. What I said is that I heard from two sources that appeared authoritative (one a westerner who studied the Koran intensely and one a Turkish Muslim who was speaking on the difference between religion and culture). Not having studied the Koran or knowing either of them personally I can only take them at face value while allowing that it's possible they aren't speaking the truth.
One of them described the out of context problem; I'll paraphrase. [There is nowhere in the Koran where it says that non-believers may be murdered. The passage that is often quoted is out of context and actually only applies to the area around the Kaaba and refers to non-believers who are preventing your entry.] That claim may be true or untrue, I haven't read the Koran (yet) to verify.
The second referred to the supposed Muslim custom of female genital mutilation. In actuality that was not a Muslim custom and is not described in the Koran. It was a custom of some tribes in northern Africa and they kept it after they were (forcibly?) converted. From there it spread just a little - but there are still non-muslims form that same area who still practice it. The same goes for honor killings - it came from a culture that was conquered by Muslims, not from Islam, originally.
My original intent was that there are lots and lots of people practicing an Islam that shouldn't be considered true Islam. Remember, the Koran is the literal and infallible word of god and not one word may be added or taken away. If it's not in the Koran then (theoretically) it's not part of Islam. Christianity also has millions of people who claim to be Christians but who espouse beliefs that are nowhere to be found in the Bible. Are they true Christians or are they abominations? These millions aren't just evangelical nutjobs - how much of the Catholic faith is to be found in the Bible? I was raised Catholic, most of it ain't in there.
Everything you talked about, Sharia, travel restrictions, killings, mutilations, punishment for apostasy - it's all real and it's all dangerous and it's all being done in the name of Islam and it needs to be stopped before civilization is destroyed.
All I was saying is that doesn't mean it's true Islam. Maybe I should have kept it to myself!
[{{If you want the "truth" seek out someone who lived there.}} My plan is to do that and also to try to read an English translation of the Koran. I expect that to be very hard because I can't even tolerate reading the Bible for very long and I was raised in the culture that believes in it!]
[On a side note, my group had a temp work with us one summer and she was from Egypt. On one or two occasions we talked briefly about religion. She actually said to me that she didn't think people should be allowed to choose a religious affiliation, that the entire population of the U.S. should be forced to be Muslim. I had to shut up and leave because I was nearly overcome with the desire to beat her to death on the spot as a simple measure of self-preservation.]
When Muslims encounter apostates, death is one option. Paying taxes to a Muslim authority is a second option. The apostate's conversion is the third option.
I don't think you're correct on that one. An apostate is a person who has left a religion, any religion. I think you're referring to "dhimmi" which is a non-muslim living under Muslim rule.
From wikipedia: Dhimma allows rights of residence in return for jizyah—tax collected from non-Muslims.
Would it mean getting an entire month of paid holiday time? Allahu akbar! I'll stay home and eat bacon and pulled pork all day.
Unfortunately Muslims still work during that month; they just have to fast during the daylight and pray extra hard.
Official holiday or not it's working its way into our lives in insidious ways. You've heard about the elementary school(s?) that wouldn't allow anyone a snack during Ramada-dan for fear of making the Muslim kids feel bad?
I missed that Timelord. I'm just not sensitive enough. I do remember a couple of years ago a school in South Carolina I think wanted to set aside an area for Muslim students to pray. Didn't go over to well.
Well, then, they must also set aside areas (and time!) for all students to pray. Those who do not wish to pray can read portions of Atlas Shrugged, or just converse.
That's funny. From all I can tell the first involvement muslims had with the "fabric of our nation" happened one Tuesday morning a few years back while we were all at work minding our own business.
“We’re going to have to make sacrifices, we’re going to have to change our conversation, we’re going to have to change our traditions, our history and we’re going to have to move to a different place.”
Sorta. But Hitler told the world exactly what he would do when he gained power (Mein Kempf) and no one believed him. Not enough of we Americans are frightened by Obama's fundamental transformation.
In the short term Hitler's methods seemed to be responsible for helping a lot of desperate people. He rallied great respect from the masses for his “sacrifices must be made for the greater good of the Fatherland” type speeches. Yet, it was the progression of these same methods that utterly destroyed things in the longer term. But that was way back then...
iroseland posted Heaven on Earth, The Rise and Fall of Socialism yesterday. It is well worth the almost 3 hours. "way back then" is still alive in D.C. The Marxists will do everything except admit that Socialism sucks.
Ya know, after all these years of Dear Leader and the Caliphate Princess, I wish they would take these on as their *PERSONAL* goals starting now. And starting with moving to a different place - eg OUT of the executive mansion.
The comment about changing of traditions and history - now *that* is downright f'n scary.
Hope everyone likes this Hope(less) and Change(to caliphate).
While it's fitting to wish holiday greetings to a religious segment in our country (although I have yet to see him make a public pronouncement on Vesak (Buddha's birthday), a blessed Nouruz to the Zoroastrian community, or even a prosperous Baisakhi to the Sikhs living here) his determination to re-write history, and make it part of his Obamist Caliphate, is disgusting.
There is a certain integrity and (at least public) honesty that's supposed to go with that job. This guy not only throws this out with the bathwater, not unlike some tin pot dictators in lesser countries, he just doesn't seem to care that his BS is blatant, his lies transparent, and people will swallow it like the Blue Pill...
Inspired thought - maybe that's why the Dems took the "blue" for their color - the fantasy world blue pill of the matrix - rather than the red, or painful and brutal honesty pill of the real world.
It used to be the term PotUS was one that drew awe and respect. Now it's become a term of eww and disrespect.
Like every law or policy antecedent to President Obama, he simply ignores the separation of church and state policy. How America tolerates a White House celebration of Islam the day after beheaded Christians heads are placed on pikes by ISIS only speaks to the fact this nation has lost its soul.
The statement is ridiculous on the face of it. Might just as well ascribe the building of our nation to Mongol tribes. Muslims had absolutely NOTHING to do with the building of our nation, and Barry knows it. He's just sucking up.
He probably would, except that takes knowledge that the Mongols overran most of the middle east in the mid to late 1200's. He would then say they were influenced by their contact with the Muslims and the Koran, etc. etc. ad nauseum...
Of course, that takes a knowledge of real history, not the made up kind that the Nation of Lenin taught them so very well...
I like and admire Jerry Pournelle, the science fiction author (note I said "science fiction" and not "sf" or "sci-fi"... he is a "hard" science fiction author).
In one of his "There Will Be War" anthologies, he included what became one of my favorite poems. It became a favorite because of the history surrounding the events of the poem, as revealed by Pournelle, appealed to me, and (God help me) involved one of my role models.
"Lepanto" is not an easy read, but the story it tells about the Battle of Lepanto is important:
I think we know were his agenda is leading us. I would first suggest he is drinking from the Koolaid, but he knows what he is doing and saying, and that is to fundamentally change America to a country radically different from what our founding fathers envisioned, and what most of Americans believe in.
It is apparent that Ovomit is unable to tell reality from fantasy ~ a common trait among those libtards and most repubs. (Boehner, McConnell, McCain, ad nauseum)
Vote for me as president and I'll have a special dinner to thank the British for the Magna Carta, but I guess THAT would be racist. But if I were president, I wouldn't give a crap.
I'd be happy to honor those muslims who built the fabric of our nation. I'd just want to know who they are. Obama seems to love to make statements without facts to back them up. So. Mr. President, who are these Muslim founders?
I already sent it out. I was exceedingly polite. I'd like to know which Muslim I should honor as a founder of our country. I envision Obama giving an assistant of his the assignment of finding such a name. If he comes up with one, and it's totally legitimate, I'd be happy to propose that name be on a postage stamp to honor him:)
Hi Solver:) Thought I'd tell you that I did get an answer to my missive. An invitation to look at a video of Oama walking. I'm serious.! It calls to mind that hournalist who gets a thrill up his pants every time he sees Obama. Was I being seduced to become an Obama-homosexual??
Obama's scary answer to your question about the Muslim who built the fabric of our nation would be ... himself. After all, we just went through his fundamental transformation. The fabric of our nation goes back not to colonial times, but to 2008.
But, though Obama may be a fine President, at least one who has gotten much done, he did not found our country. I'd like to know about previous moslems who, say, built our railroads like the Chinese did, or who fought against the British during the Revolutionary War or in the civil war on *either* side. That is, who were these Muslims and what precisely did they do?
MikeRael, I think you misunderstood what I said. I was being hypersarcastic. I was referring back to his campaign speech counting the days down to his fundamental transformation of America. He considers himself a re-founder of America. All those years prior to him no longer exist. Yes, he is that much of a narcissist.
I think I did misunderstand your question. My apologies. Nonetheless I have that question still hanging in the air, tainting the very air that I breathe. I would know what the Muslim contribution to our country actually is. Do you or does anyone have an idea of this?
And the closet door opens a bit more on the occupier of the WH and where his loyalties lie. He did say in one of "his" books that if it came down to it, he would side with the muzzies. I just wish folks would've read "his" books before he was elected the first time. No logical thinking patriot would've voted for him. Come to think of it, I don't think he was elected by logical thinking folks anyway. Oh well.
Then, about next Wednesday, some Nidal Hasan in our own military will sue the government for making him think about people possibly loading planes with bacon grease, and the U.N. will declare it a crime against humanity...
I never heard of any Muslims that were `The Very Fabric of Our Nation". But you have to admit they are part of that fabric now. They took down those nasty planes and towers and murdered more people in our nation than the Japs killed at Pearl Harbor.
Here's your example... Public Law 10-289 has a rider mandating you say this 7 times a day while facing toward Washington DC.
(Note - we recommend watching the following link on an empty stomach.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24jPh49B...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ty7WU87...
Anyone got a bottle of Keyboard and Monitor cleaner handy? Actually, I think I may need a firehose...
Me, I'd rather take action to remedy the issue prior to ultimate outcome.
Really? Where do you work? The Pentagon?
(I have to apologize, but I first read your name as "LiberalAutism"...)
Jefferson was one of the first Presidents to recognize the ideological threats posed by Islam.
IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say: –
"We invaded you last night – we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."
And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!
It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: –
"Though we know we should defeat you,
we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."
And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.
It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --
"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!"
(this is why Kipling is not taught in our schools; nobody wants a wise voter base.)
I always thought there was a level of honesty and integrity that went with the office - at least in public appearances. Apparently this decorum no longer holds; this shows just how much this cat is willing to take it to a whole new level of &u!!$#!t. (pardon my inferred language.)
I think its telling the way members of his staff - and cabinet - seem to resign with some regularity. They stay until they realize the stench and flee.
USed to be, the term PotUS used to be one of awe and respect. He's turning it into eww and disrespect. And, not unlike some tin pot dictators of lesser countries past and present, seems not to care.
I beg to differ. The best course of action is for the President to refrain from recognizing any religious occasions of any kind. As noted by another commenter, whose religious holidays do you honor with an official statement? If you recognize one then you should recognize ALL of them. Between Islam, Judaism, B'hai and Catholicism you'd have to issue a statement almost every day! With over 20 major gods in Hinduism - it would never end!
And think of the uproar when POTUS issued a formal recognition of The Coming of the Great Colander for those that "worship" the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
My point is simple. It's customary for the white house to send holiday greetings out, usually around mid-December. I have a few Presidential Christmas cards from my in-law's collected papers... pretty cool, those. So if the CiC wants to wish people a Merry Christmas, or a Happy Hannukah, or a Blessed Eid, or a joyous Solstice to Wiccans (now wouldn't *that* raise a s#!tstorm?), it's not a big f'n deal, at least to me.
Know something funny? If you convert to Islam then renounce it, you get a Fatwah on your head. That's right, by converting *from* Islam you put on this huge target and are subject to immediate dispatchure by any other Muslim, for that conference with Allah regarding their apostasy.
Ya know... I kinda sorta wonder if that's the driving force behind Potus... Perhaps (emphasis on the irony of that word) he *did* convert, and has to keep his obedience to the Koran otherwise he puts on that big ol' target. After all, Sharia law knows no boundaries (or laws, IMO).
I'm no apologist for Islam, believe me. I think Muslims are incredibly dangerous and the spread of Islam should be stopped. But I'm also interested in the truth.
Just like when you listen to Christians who trot out snippets of the Bible incessantly, we're getting snippets of the Koran - out of context. If you can stand it tune into one of the Christian cable stations for a few minutes, pause it after each quotation from the Bible and go look up the passage. Chances are excellent that the quote they just used does NOT mean what they implied it meant - but you have to see it in context with the surrounding text. The same is true of little quotes from the Koran.
I'm a hardcore atheist so the Koran and the Bible are both poorly written fiction as far as I'm concerned, but if you're going to quote fiction you should at least quote it in a way that doesn't imply it means something that it doesn't.
All that being said, even if the Islam being touted and spread today is a false Islam, that doesn't change the danger it poses to the rest of the world.
And back on topic, it's irrelevant that it has been customary for the President to send religious greetings. It's inappropriate for the reasons I already stated and the practice should be stopped.
My other half was an expat engineer in Saudi for almost 20 years... and got to travel fairly extensively through a country that is not only the armpit, er, nest, er, dustbowl, er, birthplace of Islam, but one that is *so* hyper-ultra-strict Wahhabi (not Wasabi, tho Wasabi is not as strong as Wahhabi) Islam, so totally closed and *so* tightly controlled (with their very own Mahabith (secret police) and Ha'yah (religious police) watching and reporting EVERYTHING) that not only are foreigners are not allowed to travel unless they have special internal visas allowing them to do so on official business, but if you're suspected of something, God help you, for you are truly guilty unless you can somehow, from your prison cell awaiting your 500 lashes and 10 years (a light-ish sentence, BTW) , innocent (quite the trick).
Public executions are a rather common form of entertainment there, especially in the more "rural" parts of the Kingdom - from apostate muslims getting their heads lopped off, to a suspected gay couple being strapped together inside a building as it was bulldozed on top of them, to the customary lopping off of hands for any of various and manifold reasons. So common that it becomes commonplace and a non-event. Also well known is that if you are in prison, and memorize the ENTIRE Koran, you will be pardoned. About 2 or 3 people a year accomplish this feat (and a feat it is!)... if you don't speak Arabic, well, sorry, guess you will by the time you're done.
I'm not speaking from conjecture and guesses and stuff I make up and snippets from a book - be it the Koran or a Tourist guide or whatever - I'm speaking from knowledge gained from someone with legitimate, first hand experience there, in the dustbin that that Mohammed guy did his thing.
If you want the "truth" seek out someone who lived there. Better, seek out someone who converted away from Islam and ask them directly. Or, if you feel especially gutsy, find an Imam, get a Koran, convert - heck, becom a Hajji and see Mecca and Medina... then go back to your current beliefs (or non-beliefs). Just watch your back...
THIS is why Islam is the most common religion worldwide. Once you're in... you can never leave.
Politics in the air
Soft stench of the liberal
rising up through the air
Up ahead in the distance
they saw a shimmer of hope
The words they said of progress, hope, and change
They were just so much dope
There he stood at the podium
cheezy grin on his face
and I was thinking to myself
He's gonna lead this land into waste
Then he lit up his followers
and they stole it away
Heard the voices down inside my head
thought I heard them say...
Welcome to the new Obama Nation
All is ours to take (all is ours to take)
What a crummy fake
We're livin' it up in the new Obama Nation
Let me tell you lies (let me tell you lies)
Why are you surprised?
Their words are dirty and twisted
with double meanings and bends
He's got a lot of loyal commie folk
who he calls friends
How they dance on the graveyard
of America's sweat.
Some dance to gain power,
some dance just to get.
So I called up the Congress,
"Please take this away"
They said, "We haven't had that power here
since that fateful day"
And still those voices are calling from deep inside,
"Have some guts, and stand up to this crap
you got no right to hide..."
Welcome to the new Obama Nation
Power's in the can (power's in the can)
Sell out to Iran
They're livin' it up in the new Obama Nation
We can grab and glom (we can grab and glom)
Ask your new Imam...
Smoke and mirrors in speeches
Celebrating Eid
and he said, "We will be the new overlord
now that we've planted the seed."
And in the Oval Office
They gathered, lying in wait
for their savior to make the USA
His own caliphate...
Last thing I remember
the constitution in shreds
call to prayer from the minarets
the hope of liberty, dead.
"Relax, " said the Imam,
"We are programmed to control.
now place your neck down upon this block
so your head will roll...
©2014 The Vultures
(all rights appropriated...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0G1Ucw5...
One of them described the out of context problem; I'll paraphrase. [There is nowhere in the Koran where it says that non-believers may be murdered. The passage that is often quoted is out of context and actually only applies to the area around the Kaaba and refers to non-believers who are preventing your entry.] That claim may be true or untrue, I haven't read the Koran (yet) to verify.
The second referred to the supposed Muslim custom of female genital mutilation. In actuality that was not a Muslim custom and is not described in the Koran. It was a custom of some tribes in northern Africa and they kept it after they were (forcibly?) converted. From there it spread just a little - but there are still non-muslims form that same area who still practice it. The same goes for honor killings - it came from a culture that was conquered by Muslims, not from Islam, originally.
My original intent was that there are lots and lots of people practicing an Islam that shouldn't be considered true Islam. Remember, the Koran is the literal and infallible word of god and not one word may be added or taken away. If it's not in the Koran then (theoretically) it's not part of Islam. Christianity also has millions of people who claim to be Christians but who espouse beliefs that are nowhere to be found in the Bible. Are they true Christians or are they abominations? These millions aren't just evangelical nutjobs - how much of the Catholic faith is to be found in the Bible? I was raised Catholic, most of it ain't in there.
Everything you talked about, Sharia, travel restrictions, killings, mutilations, punishment for apostasy - it's all real and it's all dangerous and it's all being done in the name of Islam and it needs to be stopped before civilization is destroyed.
All I was saying is that doesn't mean it's true Islam. Maybe I should have kept it to myself!
[{{If you want the "truth" seek out someone who lived there.}} My plan is to do that and also to try to read an English translation of the Koran. I expect that to be very hard because I can't even tolerate reading the Bible for very long and I was raised in the culture that believes in it!]
[On a side note, my group had a temp work with us one summer and she was from Egypt. On one or two occasions we talked briefly about religion. She actually said to me that she didn't think people should be allowed to choose a religious affiliation, that the entire population of the U.S. should be forced to be Muslim. I had to shut up and leave because I was nearly overcome with the desire to beat her to death on the spot as a simple measure of self-preservation.]
From wikipedia: Dhimma allows rights of residence in return for jizyah—tax collected from non-Muslims.
Ramadan, that is.
Were that the Obamaist Regime (and all its little radioactive daughters) over, then THAT would be something to celebrate. Eid Al-Gone.
Unfortunately Muslims still work during that month; they just have to fast during the daylight and pray extra hard.
Official holiday or not it's working its way into our lives in insidious ways. You've heard about the elementary school(s?) that wouldn't allow anyone a snack during Ramada-dan for fear of making the Muslim kids feel bad?
He works nights, however. So he sleeps through the fast. I wonder if it still counts?
Michele Obama 2008 campaign speech
But that was way back then...
The comment about changing of traditions and history - now *that* is downright f'n scary.
Hope everyone likes this Hope(less) and Change(to caliphate).
After his disastrous "leading from behind" foreign policy, can't we start calling him "Deer Leader" instead?
There is a certain integrity and (at least public) honesty that's supposed to go with that job. This guy not only throws this out with the bathwater, not unlike some tin pot dictators in lesser countries, he just doesn't seem to care that his BS is blatant, his lies transparent, and people will swallow it like the Blue Pill...
Inspired thought - maybe that's why the Dems took the "blue" for their color - the fantasy world blue pill of the matrix - rather than the red, or painful and brutal honesty pill of the real world.
It used to be the term PotUS was one that drew awe and respect. Now it's become a term of eww and disrespect.
Of course, that takes a knowledge of real history, not the made up kind that the Nation of Lenin taught them so very well...
In one of his "There Will Be War" anthologies, he included what became one of my favorite poems. It became a favorite because of the history surrounding the events of the poem, as revealed by Pournelle, appealed to me, and (God help me) involved one of my role models.
"Lepanto" is not an easy read, but the story it tells about the Battle of Lepanto is important:
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/d3...
And re the Give a Cr@p... It's apparent that's a mandatory trait for someone holding that office. At least for the present.
He did say in one of "his" books that if it came down to it, he would side with the muzzies.
I just wish folks would've read "his" books before he was elected the first time. No logical thinking patriot would've voted for him. Come to think of it, I don't think he was elected by logical thinking folks anyway. Oh well.
Then, about next Wednesday, some Nidal Hasan in our own military will sue the government for making him think about people possibly loading planes with bacon grease, and the U.N. will declare it a crime against humanity...
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I wonder why he didn't tell the Muslim audience what he's told the people of this formerly great nation on more than one occasion:
http://youtu.be/YKjPI6no5ng
She's from Israel.
o.O
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