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America Is in Freefall, There Is No Leadership and This Board Lacks Passion

Posted by WesleyMooch 12 years, 3 months ago to Books
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America got what she deserved in Obama. Whether she gets him for another four years, or another four months, is irrelevant. She had her shot at Ron Paul and she threw him overboard to cling to one of Ragnar's rafts.

So now what do intend to do, America? Did you know there was a nascent Objectivist Party rising from the morass? And what if there were? Would you lift your head in hope, were Objectivists to stand at arms with Conservatives and Libertarians, as the State came to force Catholic hospitals to infanticide, with the mindless thug's grimace on its face? Would you care?

What is your future, America, if you've even considered one other than fate? Are you conscious enough to be alive, alive enough to be angry, or is what you are satisfactory?

SOURCE URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF9QT43uDQU


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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 3 months ago
    America is sad and waiting for people to snap out of it and wake up already. There is zero leadership, running in the negative even, and you are correct. Where IS the passion? (Should I feel bad that I busted out laughing when I read the end part of the subject title?)
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 12 years, 3 months ago
    Ron Paul, not gonna happen. Face it. he is not a leader. He has good values from what I have been exposed to, but he cannot rally people around him, he has no diplomatic skill and no charisma. He would be better than Obama because he would not have an agenda to destroy our country, but his time in congress shows he cannot sway people to his values. A president must have this skill of diplomacy and persuasion above all others in order to make an impact.

    Rand Paul would be far better. he has more charisma and can win a crowd over with greater effect.

    Those who love Ron, love him for his values. I like him for his values, but he can not do the job of president, he lacks the skills. He would however make a tremendous secretary of treasury, though I believe that Romney will not make this offer, which is a mistake.

    Part of the problem is that people who have values like Ron Paul and do not compromise them have by the very character that makes them great a flaw when in diplomatic proceedings with there peers.

    So what now? We have a chance to swing thinking away from the communist and Marxist towards smaller government and individual freedoms. Will it fix everything, no but it will start it. Ron Paul has helped with that so has his followers.

    If we are going to be successful we have to move beyond looking for the guy that is going to fix it and start looking to ourselves. We all must find a bit of John in us and to whatever means we have the mind/spirit, reasoning and fortitude to do it we must fight our own war of thoughts and words with everyone we associate with every day until the majority of people have a love of freedom and the individual responsibility that comes with it. Until that process of thought changes, we wont get it from successful leaders.
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    • Posted by 12 years, 3 months ago
      Wrong. Ron Paul is a great leader whom America doesn't deserve.
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      • Posted by XenokRoy 12 years, 3 months ago
        WesleyMooch (why did you pick such a lousy name) the fact is that he has not passed one bill focused on a major inititive he talks about. Some minor bills that no one cares about and has failed to pass the vast majority of what he has sponsored. If he is a good leader he would be able to rally others around him and convince them of his ideals and that they are right. We need the good leader, and we need Ron Paul at that leaders right hand to help keep him good.

        Here is a list of his sponsored bills. In 22 years where is his major success? Where is the bill that really changed things?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_leg...

        It does not exist, if he were the leader you are stating he is that bill would exist.

        Granted part of the problem is the environment he has been there in. A great leader would find a way or get a different job where he could make more of a difference.

        As secretary of treasury where he could enact some of his financial policies he would be a great leader. That role suites his strengths and in that position he would help the country a great deal. He would have the power to address fiscal policy and alter the way the US handles money for the next 100 years, with a president who would back him up.

        As a representitive he has had very small impact. As a campaigner he has had a large impact on folks like yourself, about 5% of the country, but if he does not use that weight to push the republicans into a smaller government party he is failing as the leader he could be and that is exactly what he is doing today. If you do not agree show me evidence to the contrary. I would love to read it.
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        • Posted by 12 years, 3 months ago
          Since John_Galt was reserved, I went instead with a play on Wesley Mouch, whose humor was lost on you.

          Ron "Dr. No" Paul provided decades of resistance to socialist, fascist and tyranny-building legislation. His speeches and debates in committee and on the floor alone would make a wonderful book demonstrating principled leadership.

          I'll leave you to your opinions, as there is too great a gulf between our conceptions of what America is. America is a fascist state. Romney is a competent executive who can run the fascist state to the satisfaction of the interests who put him into office, presuming he is their choice. My not having access to the Bilderberg conclaves where such decisions are made, my coin toss is as good as yours as to whether the next president is he or Obama. Either way, the controlling interests' interests will be served.

          A vote for Ron Paul, like the man himself, is principled.
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          • Posted by XenokRoy 12 years, 3 months ago
            I think we are closer in our views than you do.

            I disagree with you comment of us being a fascist state (defined: A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

            I do however think we have reached a state of totalitarian government defined: "of or pertaining to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life."

            As Ayn Rand said, and one of my favorite quotes from her. "The Difference between a welfare state and a totalitarian state is a matter of time." and I would take it a step further, the difference between a totalitarian state and either a Fascist or Marxist government is only time as well.

            My vote is not in on which of those two extremes we will move to if uncorrected.

            I do not disagree that Ron has been a great voice on the floor for common sense and reason.

            Where we disagree is on the results, and what would define good leadership. I believe a good leader will get results that match his values. I do not think this true of Ron Paul.

            To be very frank I see Romney as the lessor of the two evils once again, although I think him far less of an Evil than Bush was or Clinton. Time will prove me right or wrong on that. He will be better than Obama. He may even do as well as Ron Paul would and simply not do no harm, but I fear he will have some success and hope that that success will be in the right direction rather than the wrong one.

            The main point of my original post, and still main point is not anything about Ron or Romney but rather about ourselves.

            We have to look at what we can do and then do it, IF we do not we will continue down the road the Romans took. From Republic to Empire to nothing. We are in the empire stage and need to return to the republic or we will become another country in the history of the world and when the next free society raises from the ashes 1000 years from now they will have learned from the works of Hamilton, Washington, Madison, Jefferson and Adams in much the same way those men learned from the works of Marcus Tullius Cicero, William Blackstone and Charles-Louis de Secondat, baron de La Brède et de Montesquieu. They may even even read the writings our founding fathers did as well.

            I would prefer that we step up and save ourselves before entering another dark age and that is not the work of Ron Paul or Mitt Romney any more than it is the work of each and every one of us to claim freedom before it is completely lost.
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