Hillary Is America, by Robert Gore

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For all of Dostoyevsky’s skill, it probably would have been beyond him to dramatically render America's degenerate descent. Hillary’s supporters believe she’s extraordinary; her detractors believe she’s a tragic anomaly. They're both wrong. The real tragedy is that in contemporary America, there’s nothing exceptional about her other than her criminality, and how exceptional is that? Shutting out reality and the truth are national pastimes. She’s not psychologically differentiated in any way from the crowd, and her access to platforms allows her to peddle what it wants to hear.

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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago
    Another good one.
    I don't think 50% are enamored with government, we prefer to ignore it and move on with our lives, we don't like politicians and think of them as a joke.
    Somewhere along the line we've become hardened by the lack of being able to do anything about it...we pay attention only at voting times and complain the rest of the time.

    Now...the 47%?...different story and different idiotology that loves and believes the establishment which is made up of those strange creatures some of us viewed in the 60's and turned out even worse than what they replaced.

    Even though we all have been denied true history, it's to much work to ferret out and the 47% depends upon the corrupt...they are the same and have been willingly transformed into an image the rest of us would never reflect.

    I'm not sure if hiltery is an image or it's reflection but I know that she and her ilk are what nightmares are made of. Even though the 50% perhaps have not been the ever watchful Americans we should have been, I wouldn't say, by any stretch of one' imagination, "hiltery is America" or the product of America...perhaps your observation really points out that America has left us to our own bidding and is waiting somewhere for us to return, heads hung low and sorrowful.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 1 month ago
    What denial ,oh that is a river in Egypt.
    I used to think poor character traits ,bad judgement and dishonesty coupled with criminal activity were ingredients for a failed political career. Huh
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    • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago
      We have all noticed that it is the Left that commits crimes, riots, destroys values and lies like an old rug glued to a rotten floor...no matter how they bitch, no matter who writes a book about how they were scared of russia or hiltery and wanted to replace her with another bad candidate.
      This is your 47%....That is Hiltery's America...

      You don't usually see this stuff of the right...but they have their problems too.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 1 month ago
        I wish it was only the left, but its also the middle and the right in the Dark Center. It's not only Hitlery's Amerika, its the Bushs', and Dole's, and McCain's Amerika, too. And its Warren Buffet's, Mark Zuckerberg's, Michal Bloomberg's, Larry Page's, Sergey Brin's, Elon Musk's, Eric Schmidt's, and Rupert Murdoch's Amerika.
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        • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago
          Have we been asleep or what...everyone's America except ours.
          Not sure about mccain or mr pineapple but the babuskies were globalist and possibly worse than that.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 1 month ago
            Have any of them done anything to get rid of O-care, enforce immigration laws, stop the feds' spying on Americans (instead of helping the feds do it), stop other socialist policies that loot from producers, or punish those obviously guilty of murder or treason?
            Answer: No
            They desire power and/or wealth and they use government to get it, by stealing from others.
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            • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
              Exactly true, unfortunately. They talked about repealing Obamacare, but even our "savior" Trump caved into "repeal AND REPLACE" and couldnt even get that !! I want repeal, period.

              I want OUT of Afghanistan and IRAQ. Put that money into defense of our country. I want the elimination of the federal reserve and a return to the gold standard for the USA. No deficit spending for government at all,

              Somehow I think these things would never make it past the establishment, until the establishment system just crashes. The future shown in AS was right.
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              • Posted by DeanStriker 7 years, 1 month ago
                So hang in there while this "system" crashes. Then we'll be guarding against a replacement either the same or worse. Only if we just stop worshiping a government of Force can we get what we ask!
                Read "The Most Dangerous Superstition" by Larken Rose.
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                • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
                  Thanks for the tip. I downloaded the book and the premise is right on the mark. I just finished milo yiannopoulos’s book. “Dangerous’, which is pretty good too. Kindle for the iPhone is so convenient
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            • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 1 month ago
              Curious how attempts to repeal Obamacare only worked out for RINOs when Obama was the POTUS.
              Whoa! New thought. That DID work out for the RINOs.
              O was in power for 8 years. That means everyone of those RINOs had to deal with being reelected during that time frame.
              Never mind. Me dino no longer views the hypocrisy as curious.
              As pathetic? Yeah. Pathetic. Pathetic representation.
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        • Posted by Maritimus 7 years, 1 month ago
          Hello freedomforall,
          You are exactly right: it was (and is) not only the left. I believe it as an axiom: people get the government they deserve. We all have a significantly higher standard of living than we earn. For how long we had a government spending more than the people are willing to pay in taxes? I could go into a long presentation of how we do it. You all know it. I think people are generally "myopic". They think mostly about a year into the future. Until the next April 15 and the IRS reckoning. While we need to think in generational cycles. Education of our replacements, imagining not yet invented technologies changing our economic assumptions, accepting the acceleration of change and a life of continuous learning. Not to speak of corruption in the political system. Vast majority of people choose to look the other way.
          I wish you all the best.
          Maritimus
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    • Posted by fosterj717 7 years, 1 month ago
      You are judging by "Mainstream" America not by that "Never Never Land" known as Washington DC! There is little if any "reality" in that sewer, only greed, contempt for the American people and a desire to never leave its trappings of power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

      Character also has little if anything to do with "serving" in that city. There may be a handful of representatives who went there with their constituents in mind and this handful has been able to retain their integrity. With that being said, evil does not well continence fidelity to one's true beliefs. To the contrary, the vermin that make up most of Washington loath such traits because they have already sold their souls for the trappings of power. By comparison, they realize that the good only make them look that much worse. Shine a light on cockroaches and watch them scatter to hide again in the shadows.

      Welcome to Washington!
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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 1 month ago
    All tyrants and dictators rely on the support (taxes, obedient armies, obedient law enforcement, obedience of the citizens, etc.) of the people they govern. If that support is refused they are unable to accomplish any of their goals. All taxpayers support the evil that is forced upon them even when they claim they are part of the opposition which in reality are the nascent power seekers who are temporarily on the power out and will submit to any wrongdoing ordered by their leaders in the hopes that they will be the next power 'ins' and the others will be the 'outs'.
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  • Posted by rbroberg 7 years, 1 month ago
    The outrage on the Left over Clinton's failure to get elected can be seen deep in the American psyche. From liberal Democrats whose anger toward "straight, white, middle class men" enrages and/or emboldens the Alt-Right. The outrage over Obama's "success" explains the Alt-Right whose racist constituents enrage and/or embolden the Militant Left. There is no leadership available in either party to bring peace. Clinton has not provided any recourse, but makes matters much worse.

    Both parties are in shock. Democrats call for donations as if Obama was still running for office, as if there was some "progressive" voice to hear... Republicans have been met with consistent failure in the legislature. And Trump, in all his divisive rhetoric, was heard around the world with his "both sides" comment, leading us to ask if he had known about the explicit anti-Semitic vandalism beforehand.

    American psychology as I experience it is not about ideals. It is not even about values. It is about the squeaky wheels, the partisan road rage - if you will - and the incessant traffic on social media. Until Americans discover their morality, no lasting achievements are possible.
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  • Posted by 1musictime 7 years, 1 month ago
    Get to know Hillary from Donald Trump and the joke indicating she's the $20 whore the $500/30 minutes whore Bill Clinton propositions in Central Park indicates.
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  • Posted by starznbarz 7 years, 1 month ago
    She`s a communist. She does what communists do, carry her water or be removed - sometimes literally. Her supporters are from two camps, the stupid ones that want the free stuff and believe the liar, they are the ones that do the street work for the second camp. They are the ones that want to rotate in the proximity of the power fueled gas planet and evolve into their own little power systems. It has to come to a head and I think we are pretty close. Good work Obama.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 1 month ago
    Damn, that's good writing..."How do you account for the American people’s long infatuation with government? Is it love coupled with denial? How many are like the cuckold who repeatedly find his wife in bed with other men? They remain smitten even as the government goes from lie to lie, betrayal to betrayal. Consider a list of political prevarications, by no means exhaustive."
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    • Posted by fosterj717 7 years, 1 month ago
      Promise the average person something for free and a great many believe they will get it with no strings attached. A fools errand however that is how the Establishments of both parties stay in power. The seamy underbelly of Democracy. This is why our founder designed the country to be a Republic.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago
      Thank you. It's a labor of love.
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 1 month ago
        I think of the connection between America's puritan foundation and this self-sacrifice you point out here. Yeah, it looks cuck. It looks dumb as hell, too. So glad to see you delve into this confusing state we're in nowadays.

        It reminds me of a woman I am very good friends with. Her husband cheated on her and lied to her and she stayed with them so their three daughters could learn to be obedient to bad men (that last part is my editorial). Well, her husband died a little over a year ago with cancer. Who is she with now? A guy who's rude to her, yells at her kids, bosses her around and took a "loan" from her from her kids' college fund. I'm so ticked off I don't want to even see her around anymore - which is tough because she's very good friends with my wife. Ugh.... When she caught her husband cheating she said she'd, "Just put it in God's hands..." ARGH!!!
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
    This seems like a bunch of really shameless criticism of Hillary Clinton, and then a logical leap saying this is somehow related to our failure to recognize gov't doing all it does is unsustainable. The criticism of her on the basis of her husband's philandering is particularly low. It detracts from the real problem that the gov't maintaining a massive empire and managing citizens' retirement, healthcare, and education is not sustainable. It's a looming mini-crisis, maybe a full-on crisis. Most people wait until it comes to ahead before even thinking about it. When the mini-crisis happens, they'll ask ""hoocoodanode!?"

    I suppose if you had to write an article about this huge problem for an audience bored by economics but able to pay attention to lurid cheap shots demonizing an individual, this is what it would look like. It could be part of the school curriculum for low-life thugs in juvenile detention who can't focus on studies but are transfixed by a brawl. Maybe they could read this and learn something unsustainable gov't.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago
      CircuitGuy,

      Those who defend Hillary Clinton are "shameless." To pick one of just many examples. She trashed the reputations and went after the women who accused her husband--on quite substantial grounds--of sexual harrassment, sexual assault, and rape. If criticizing her for that is shameless, then criticizing someone who criticizes her for that is even more so.

      These are the same crimes for which Harvey Weinstein and others have been exposed and will be subject to both civil suits and criminal prosecution. Hillary Clinton was a potentially criminal accessory to Weinstein-like behavior, using her platform and power to denounce as "trailer park trash" and otherwise persecute a woman who won a $800,000 settlement from her husband. That's the truth, and to call someone to account for such behavior is simply telling the truth and asking that she be subject to legal process.

      I notice you said nothing about the current allegations against Hillary Clinton concerning Uranium One and the Trump Dossier. I suppose my bringing it up was another "lurid cheap shot." However, there is a substantial possibility that under our "lurid cheap" laws, she committed crimes up to and including treason. Those potential crimes are as worthy, if not more so, of investigation as potential Trump-Russian collusion. If you want lurid cheap shots, check out the so-far unsubstantiated Trump dossier.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
        Thanks for the detailed reply.
        "If criticizing her for that is shameless.."
        I only meant criticisms of her husbands affairs and her reaction to them.
        "you said nothing about the current allegations against Hillary Clinton concerning Uranium One and the Trump Dossier."
        I don't think those are lurid stories.
        Uranium One: I think there's nothing to it. It think it's all politics. I'm glad they investigate it, but it sounds like nothing to me.
        Trump Dossier: I suspect that there was a tacit understanding that DNC payments were being funded through that law firm to the firm that produced the dossier, and I suspect Clinton knew something like that was happening, although I don't have a guess as to whether she knew the details. The reason I think that is Clinton is experienced in politics, and Trump isn't, which makes digging up dirt a likely line of attack for a politician (good at playing dirty) against a non-politician with a history of working in TV and beauty pageants (where salacious dirt is likely to happen). So it rings true.

        It's odd that the dossier didn't come out before the election. Maybe the campaign make a strategic decision that it would backfire. Or maybe the left hand really didn't know what the right hand was doing.

        "Those potential crimes are as worthy, if not more so, of investigation as potential Trump-Russian collusion."
        I'm glad they're investigating, keeping people honest. I have always thought the Trump-Russian "collusion" claims were bogus.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
      Hillary's "Stronger Together" was a good choice for her. She is crooked as the day is long, and her supporters could see that and wanted to attach themselves to her coat tails so they could get free goodies like she did too. Its all about getting whatever you can from others in this country. Too bad, cause its going to crash hard when it goes. No wonder the country is divided- each side wants to take from the other without giving up anything. That is just unsustainable.
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        Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
        "Hillary's "Stronger Together" was a good choice for her."
        I took it as a dig against Trump, who I see as telling unsophisticated voters some group who looks different from them is the cause of their problems. So "Stronger Together" is a way of saying "my opponent wants to divide you." I generally agree Trump is divisive, so it was a "good" political dig.

        "each side wants to take from the other without giving up anything."
        Yes. I think it's almost a natural consequence of the gov't being so big-- people fight for a share of the big gov't pie instead of going out in the world and making their own little pie. It's bad situation.
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        • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
          I know you are a hillary supporter, which I admit I have trouble understanding when she is such an obvious crook trying to sell government access in exchange for clinton foundation "donations". The divisive bent is definitely a leftist thing, not a Trump thing. Most of the negative claims the left applied to Trump are in fact things that the LEFT itself is guilty of. Its psychological projection. Trump wants us all to be americans, including immigrants who come here in order to join OUR culture. I stand by my comment as to what "stronger together" really means to the hillary people.

          "Stronger together "means that sticking together will get a larger share of the government freebie pie.

          If you really want to understand Hillary, read the book by Milo Yiannoupolis (sp) called DANGEROUS. Its a real eye opener. You probably wont want to read it, but its hard to argue with the facts contained therein
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            Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
            " the left applied to Trump are in fact things that the LEFT itself is guilty of. Its psychological projection."
            I agree completely, except I think President Trump is right in there with them.

            BTW, I've never met the national candidates more than very briefly. I don't care about their rhetoric. I don't believe their public personas mean much. I am absolutely sure most of them do not start with philosophical beliefs and then try to sell them. I don't buy into the left/right thing. I think it's mostly theater, and I would not be shocked if they occasionally collaborated informally: "We're both sending out our last set of fundraising letters before this next filing deadline. I'm thinking about saying something about gun control that will get your people back in Fond du Lac fired up. Maybe you want say something about trans-gendered people to get my people here in Madison fired up. This quarter could be a bumper crop."

            "means that sticking together will get a larger share of the government freebie pie. "
            Like any politician's tagline, it's designed to mean whatever you want it to mean. I'm almost sure it doesn't mean gov't largess because people think the gov't grants, contracts, and programs they receive aren't really "gov't freebies". Although Sanders came pretty close to saying freebies for everyone, so I don't know; maybe some people are moochers and proud of it. I don't think so though. You hear it in their language. "We need reforms of the healthcare system," instead of "I want to some people to pay for other's medicine." I think when you put the naked truth out there, most people don't want handouts.
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            • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
              I think the establishment generally feels that the goodies will come from OTHER people like the rich or out of corporate "profits", and if they can "get" them, there are no downsides.

              To a degree, they are right so long as the productive people keep working and put up with having their work stolen from them. The more the productive people work and allow their work to be taken, the more empowered the hillary/sanders group gets and the more they feel they are entitled to the goodies and should just take them if they are no longer available.

              Pretty uninformed view I would say
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
                " the goodies will come from OTHER people"
                Yeah. From "billionaires".
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                • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
                  If the few really rich people gave their fortunes equally to the unwashed, it would hardly make a difference to them
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
                    Exactly. In Sanders speeches there were way more people supposedly needing a handout than supposedly paying fir them. The math doesn't work. "Billionaires" aren't a source of limitless wealth.
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                    • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 1 month ago
                      Sanders continues to scare the hell out of me whenever he opens his yap. He repeatedly fixates on other people's money. Did you hear the townhall meeting the other day when a guy asked him about tax breaks for the working middle class? He instantly went on a tirade about the rich and how they are the main benefactors of the estate tax breaks. He's wrong over and over and over... How does somebody get to that state of mind? I understand that he was a bad construction worker and poor provider for his wife and kids prior to politics (possibly false) but that might be related in someway.
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                      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
                        "Sanders continues to scare the hell out of me "
                        If some charismatic person figures out that Sanders and Trump are very similar, at least IMHO they are, and exploits it, we will have a dangerous situation. Maybe I should be happy Trump's antics are so transparent and Sanders pronounces the word "billionaires", who he wants to fund all kinds of handouts, with such contempt. It keeps people from realizing it's the same message: Someone who is different from you is evil and is to blame for your problems in life, and you need to give me power to fight them.
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                    • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
                      I think the leftists just try to get whatever they can from whoever is least politically powerful, and when its over, its over. Look at Venezuela
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                      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
                        "leftists just try to get whatever they can"
                        I guess you can put it that way. But I think giving it a label and then generalizing to a supposed group that fits that label doesn't make things any clearer. I actually think it's a trick. I don't even think leftism or rightism are real things in the modern political world. If I am correct, it's all a trick to change the subject from actual policies, i.e. digging into if "billionaires" have enough money to send most everyone to college and if there are any limits one when it's okay to take other people's stuff. This grouping trick is not a conspiracy. It's just hard to get elected, and it's hard for commentators to get viewers/readers, and this formula of dividing people into named groups and inviting them to path themselves on that back happens to work.

                        I probably seem naive for taking at face value the investigations into the campaigns and elections, yet I completely reject the idea that politicians are at odds with one another ideologically. People on this site who are vocal about this issue mostly accept that politicians are engaged in an ideological struggle along some vague (to me) left/right continuum, but they think the investigations and gov't's institutions are governed by shadowing political machinations and are often pawns in an ideological battle. I have the exact opposite view.
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                        • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
                          I think that government today is designed to further its own goals, and enrich and empower its minions who work for it. Anything that happens for the benefit of the taxpayers (customers) is icing on the cake. The politicians are the sales people for the government, and are part of the "minion" group.
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                          • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
                            "government today is designed "
                            I like the analogy of politicians as sales people for the gov't!
                            Saying it is designed to further its own goals implies intentional design. I think it is designed to be a limited gov't, but it has insufficient protections against it growing in power and cost, so it's not operating within its original spec.

                            Some people on this site say it's a run of bad politicians, which I categorically reject. ewv says it's bad philosophy among some citizens. That makes sense, but I wonder if it could be structured to be less dependent on citizens to contain it. This is why I'm open to CoS. To work it would have be only empowered to limit gov't. Everyone would have to be prepared to cut programs that make them honestly think, "oh no, but if you cut that people will die!": Federal drug law enforcement and prisons, nursing home care assistance, food stamps, military bases around the world, social security, cancer research, SBIR grants, school lunches. Politicians, for whom the status quo is working, will offer great arguments as to why the programs benefiting their constituents shouldn't be affected. For that reason, I think it's a long-shot that it will work. Instead we'll wait until a series of mini-crises over the course of decades forces incremental change.
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                            • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
                              I just think it’s a bit too convenient that the government seems to further it’s own ends at the expense of the citizens to be just chance. I say government people are complicit in the evil they are doing. They cover over their acts with political Mumbo jumbo to make us think WE are the beneficiaries
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    • Posted by ewv 7 years, 1 month ago
      It's a "low blow", but against the American people, not Hillary. The Clintons are in fact corrupt and personally sordid. There are no grounds on which to blame the American people for having the Clintons' "psychology". That is a gratuitous mass insult searching for a cause for her support while overlooking the political and ethical principles of pragmatism, statism and altruism that have been drummed into people's heads by the intellectuals, including but not restricted to education, for a century. Hillary got the political support she did from voters because they voted for her and the Democrats' policies regarded as the 'good' in spite of her personal corruption. Likewise for Trump -- they would even vote for a Trump in spite of his psychology and personal antics to keep out the Clinton-Lenin mafia.
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    • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 1 month ago
      No...I think this nails down something. There's a big "Why!?" in many of our minds. Why is our society acting this way? This draws the parallel that one of our modern champions may also be a major cuck. I see my fellow citizens going so low as to sacrifice their own children on the alter of government and I can't believe it. "Why?", I keep asking... Maybe they love it.

      That scene in 1984 where he asks OBrien what the purpose of the torture is: "The torture is the purpose." People are embracing destruction. Would they even elect a leader who is true to his wife and children? I have serious doubts.

      I'm going to sit with a big glass of syrah tonight and read through this completely.
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        Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
        " "Why?", I keep asking... Maybe they love it. "
        I obviously don't know the answers, but I suggest trying to file it as an unknown. It's the way I think of the Vegas shooting. I read some articles, and didn't follow any rumination on it. If I'm going to focus my attention on something, more than the basic facts, let it be something positive and something I can do something about.
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    • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago
      We get your point but as for hiltery, she is not an individual human being...we don't know what she is but sure is one vile demented creature. Conscious humans, no matter how misguided would never say, act, do or think the way it does. It reminds me of the Nephilim idiots that ruled over us at one time.
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