Statement on Firearms and Hunting Section

Posted by XenokRoy 12 years ago to Culture
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Fear of reprisal if you allow gun sales in your classified adds? Whats next an unwillingness to exercise the first amendment rights due to fear as well?
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  • Posted by $ kathywiso 12 years ago
    Depending on who you are, the first amendment rights have already been attacked, especially if you disagree with the regime... This is just another leftist group expressing their opinion and hopefully freedom loving people will quit using them because of it.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 12 years ago
    Timid response... Many will let the irrational but highly vocal dictate policy. All too typical today. We are ruled by zealots who yell the loudest.
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    • Posted by 12 years ago
      It is the fundamental flaw with the democracy government systems. I think it would not be so bad had we stayed a republic.
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      • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 12 years ago
        Well said. If teachers, politicians and News people didn’t constantly refer to our republic as a democracy we might still have one. The founders despised democracy. The word doesn’t appear in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution though the word Republic appears multiple times and the document guarantees us a Republican form of government. Our pledge of allegiance is to “the Republic” not “the Democracy.” “Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention: have ever been found incompatible with personal security of rights of property: and have in general been as short lived in their duration as they have been violent in their Deaths.” The Federalist Papers, James Madison
        O.A.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years ago
    Like no one willing to criticize radical Islam for fear they'd be the target of death threats.
    This reminds me of Hegi's "Stones From the River."
    An excellent novel set in pre WWII Germany. One of the major plot themes in the story looks in depth at the Gestapo's ability to get neighbors to spy on other neighbors until eventually no one was saying or doing anything at all that could be construed politically incorrect. Once this phenomenon begins, most of society falls like a house of cards. The heroes are few.
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    • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 12 years ago
      It only takes a handful of heroes. Thomas Paine was a hero. His words were the spark that helped create a free nation, but the cost was quite high. He garnered many friends but also many enemies. In 1792 England ran him out for sedition and libel. He suffered imprisonment in 1793 France for treason, for his words, and barely escaped the guillotine. He was outraged when his American friends did not aid him while in the French prison. Many historians contribute his situation to his writing “The Age of Reason” which criticized organized religion.
      “These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives everything its value.”
      The Crisis, Thomas Paine
      We must stand up to the vocal minority, and support our modern version of Paine. Who is he?

      Respectfully,
      O.A.
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      • Posted by 12 years ago
        While I do not think him Paine's equal the closest thing we have is Glenn Beck. I cannot think of another who is making the stand but would love to hear of others I perhaps am not thinking of.
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        • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 12 years ago
          Yes, he is a rather vocal rebel isn’t he? How is he doing now with his internet network? I don’t keep up with him much since he left FOX. I did read his version of “Common Sense” it was a good read. It contained a copy of Paine’s original at the end. I have read all of Paine’s essential writings and the only one I have notable disagreement with is his short essay on “Agrarian Justice”. It smacked of the beginning of a welfare state. Otherwise his writings are excellent timeless pieces. Try reading something he wrote and exchanging the title of King for President, and God for Natural Law and you may be as surprised as I was at how well they fit in our era.
          Regards,
          O.A.
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          • Posted by 12 years ago
            He and I share the same religion, however he brings a bit to much of it (the religion) into his politics for my taste, but otherwise I find him sound and well reasoned.

            His book on the original argument (a review of the ideas presented in 35 of the federalist papers) was quite good. Its a good read.

            The only thing I have read from Paine was Common Sense. It took me a good long while to get through all of it. Like the federalist papers the 18th century English takes some time to get though and grasp the meaning of the words, at least for me.

            While I like to read and study some of the original writings of the period it is a large commitment to do so. One that once I begin has a tendency to consume all my spare time and more until the reading is completed. I would love to read more of Paine's works but cannot start something, at this time, that I know would consume to greatly of the time I have.
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            • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 12 years ago
              XenokRoy,
              Yes, I have also read Beck’s book “The Original Argument” It was a good modern distillation of the essentials… certainly a more modern vocabulary, with original quotes and references to boot. I bought it so I could review without the tedium/ time consumption I occasionally experienced reading the original source years earlier, and perhaps gain some new insight I may have missed.
              To expand my thoughts regarding the original sources, I know what you mean. The original Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers (two books), consumed enough of my time when I first read them to have read four to six books of equal length in modern English. I would re-read and look up words every other paragraph. The thoughts expressed in such profound and occasionally eloquent ways made me all the more determined to digest them. My speed increased as I became more familiar with the vocabulary. It is a commitment. I rotate several types of reading material (Economics, Original source philosophy/ political science, History, and current events/ political science). Occasionally I read a sci–fi novel but it must be a classic and have a point, profound if possible, like AS, 1984, or Fahrenheit 451 etc.
              Regards,
              O.A.
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