Forever 21 pulls Ayn Rand Quoted Tee

Posted by jyokela 11 years, 1 month ago to Business
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http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/10/10/fore...

got me searching for it, but it is gone. Maybe if you rush to a store you might find one. May be worth money since it didn't seem to be out for long.
SOURCE URL: http://jezebel.com/sorry-jerks-forever-21-pulls-ayn-rand-muscle-shirt-fr-1443551956


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  • Posted by $ Abaco 11 years, 1 month ago
    The author seems pretty riled over this. Wow, the hatred indicates Ayn Rand really got in her dome. Or, maybe it was just freedom and liberty that scared her a bunch.
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  • Posted by Spinkane 11 years, 1 month ago
    I think it’s a great quote for someone 21 and facing the world; it’s a good perspective to approach independence from. Very emotional, inaccurate and vitriolic article, consider the source.
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  • Posted by iroseland 11 years, 1 month ago
    Yes, but look closely at the comments. 1 there are folks who are defending her. 2 there are People who like the quote who May now chose to read some more. In short jezebelle might have been trying to throw a hate any fest, they May actually make new objectivist.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 11 years, 1 month ago
    I read 2 different stories on this and it is hard to believe. A story on Time online compared Ayn Rand to Che Guevara. This article is so pathetic it is hard to read. Glad you found this jyokela. This shows the level of vitriol the left has for Ayn Rand.
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    • Posted by 11 years, 1 month ago
      Ya, there are a lot of misrepresentations and even more in the comments to the article.
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      • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 1 month ago
        Yeah, the comments...Until we learn to fight back appropriately matching ammo to ammo, we lose.Beginning in the social science college class rooms, students are taught to dismiss Ayn Rand. They use ridicule, intimidation and group disapproval to brainwash the youth into rejecting her messages. That’s why you will see such a foaming-at-the-mouth reaction from online responders. It’s a mild form of Stockholm Syndrome. They have been taught in college to reject Ayn Rand if they want to be part of the ‘group’. The only way to combat brainwashing, unfortunately, is by incorporating similar tactics. You scare them of their positions, ridicule and mock them as outsiders, then you reward them with friendship if they change their position. It’s useless to try to defend Ayn Rand to a group that repeat over and over the same negative mantras. They aren’t really thinking rationally for themselves.
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        • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 1 month ago
          Hello Mimi,
          Did you see the comment from Ilene.skeen after the article on the second link jyokela provided?
          http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/10/10/fore...

          It is near the bottom of the comments. I found it quite refreshing...

          Regards,
          O.A.
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          • Posted by khalling 11 years, 1 month ago
            ilene.skeen 2 days ago

            Objectivism is not a capitalist-based theory. Objectivism is a philosophy based on the nature of existence and the human condition. What is the human condition? We are each one of us separate and distinct individuals. We each live in our bodies with our own minds being the tool we use to stay alive.

            Objectivism is the moral basis of capitalism.

            Right-wing philosophies hold God above the individual, and that the individual is a slave to God's will. The preachers and the devout are the exemplars of God on earth. Obey them.

            Left-wing philosophies hold society above the individual. Your leaders are the voice of the people. They are the expression of the will of the majority, and the majority is always right because might makes right. So obey the will of the majority. Obey.

            Both of these philosophies have dominated world history except for the brief period of the Enlightenment, and even then they were quiescent, not conquered.

            It was Ayn Rand who recognized that the choice to obey God or obey the brute is a false alternative. She said "NO!" to both and to 10,000 years of human history. Ayn Rand rejected the morality of slaves and masters. Ayn Rand said that it is improper, dangerous and self-destructive to hold ANYTHING, any mystical construct or brute collection of muscles above your own life and what you can creatively and rationally make of it. If you make your own life the standard of your values, if you reject the morality of masters and slaves, you have a chance to live a truly happy life.

            Ayn Rand is feared, hated and lied about for one reason only: a truly happy life is a guilt-free life. But the agents of God and the agents of Society are counting on making you feel guilty. It is your guilt which traps you in their clutches. You don't know enough to question your moral code which pronounces you guilty for the tiniest "selfish" pleasure you enjoy, or the tiniest reluctance not to live for God or not to live for your neighbor, your fellow countryman, or starving people anywhere in the world.

            The quote on the tee shirt was Howard Roark's profound answer, and Ayn Rand's discovery: It is only by means of your guilt that either God or the brute can keep you in their clutches. Discover the truth that civil society requires neither masters nor slaves and you will be FREE of them.

            If you haven't read The Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged, and you are concerned about living the best life you possibly can, for yourself, your sanity, your mental and physical well-being, and for those people you care about, read these books. If you have read these books, but skipped the philosophy or been cowed by "friends" who denigrate Ayn Rand, you are facing the choice of your lifetime.

            I know. I read Fountainhead in 1966, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD BOOK, BUT I MISSED THE POINT! Later that same year, I read Atlas Shrugged, but for some reason, (desperation, probably) I paid more attention. I got it.

            Your leaders tell you that Ayn Rand is for adolescents, that everyone goes through that stage and gets over it.

            Let me leave you with Ayn Rand's answer to getting over adolescence:

            "To hold an unchanging youth is to reach at the end the vision with which one started."

            It can be done. You can do it. Your life depends on it.

            Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/10/10/fore...
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            • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 1 month ago
              It would have been refreshing had it not lumped all theologies together. Under the beliefs of Christianity, one has free will. Under Buddhism, as I understand it, there is no God. Under Hinduism, there are many gods. And in the Green religion, the Earth is god. Under Objectivism, I am god.

              Under my understanding of Christianity, one has an *individual* relationship with God. God is concerned with the well-being of each of us.

              If you conclude that "The preachers and the devout are the exemplars of God on earth. Obey them." sums up Christianity... check your premises.

              Under Judaism and Islam, as I understand them, God is to be obeyed because otherwise He'll punish you. Under Christianity God is to be obeyed, because He has your best interests at heart.
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              • Posted by 11 years, 1 month ago
                Christianity is getting more and more watered down about the rules. Strictly, "He will punish you," but greater and greater numbers are moving away from the "be afraid of Hell" and towards "God will be disappointed." The "Hell" part is still there and they will use it if pressed, but they prefer not to because it tends to open them up to "He is a loving God" (contradiction) attacks.
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                • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 1 month ago
                  My opinion is this:
                  The Words of Christ to which I am exposed have been translated multiple times, and sifted over 2,000 years before they get to me.
                  Each would-be preacher of the Word puts his own spin on it. And a lot of those people were more interested in controlling people, or forcing people into conformity with *their* notions of God and morality, than in actually helping people grow closer to God. Sound familiar?

                  When I became a Christian, I unwittingly enlisted the Dagny Taggart school of judgment. I opened up my mind and heart, as sappy as that sounds, and had faith that, if it was important to Him to get the Word to me, He would see that I got it. There have been times when I'd come across a Biblical quote that fit the exact situation I was facing. There have been times when I've come across other bits of knowledge or philosophy that fit the exact situation I was facing. Now, this can either be coincidence, or divine intervention. I won't say because it doesn't matter.


                  If we are to obey God, if we are to seek God, it is with our *mind*.

                  ---

                  "Sir Thomas More: Listen, Meg, God made the angels to show Him splendor, as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But Man He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of his mind. If He suffers us to come to such a case that there is no escaping, then we may stand to our tackle as best we can, and, yes, Meg, then we can clamor like champions, if we have the spittle for it. But it's God's part, not our own, to bring ourselves to such a pass. Our natural business lies in escaping. If I can take the oath, I will."
                  A Man for All Seasons
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                  (I once again wish the Gulch supported markup tags)
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 1 month ago
    In case anyone is curious as to the answer to that implied question...

    Look in the mirror for the answer.
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