Question on the nature of a Randian hero

Posted by coaldigger 12 years, 2 months ago to The Gulch: General
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Is it really necessary for everyone to be a Howard Roark or a Henry Rearden for Objectivism to work? If individuals held the principles as the ideals much as religious people do with theirs, would that be sufficient? Even Rearden was no John Galt.

Most of us are better for having read and absorbed Ayn Rand's philosophy even though we do not or cannot perform to her standards in out fields. Most collectivists aren't pure to their beliefs either and actually want to "collect" more for themselves while only leaving the mob enough not to riot. I think an impure objectivists is still better than a looter.


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  • Posted by $ jmlesniewski 12 years, 2 months ago
    The thing to keep in mind about Roark and Rearden is that they are naturally gifted and not everyone is. While it's true that you can accomplish a lot with hard work, all of us our born with our unique psychologies and abilities. For instance, no matter how hard I trained at football, I could never be as good as Tom Brady. What you're referring to with collectivism is a critique levied by many intellectuals. When you create a society that is based on comparative value (equality is defined in outcome), everyone is counting their possessions to make sure they have as much as everyone else. In contrast, in a truly individualist mindset, a person only thinks about if he has as much he wants.
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  • Posted by flapjacks33 12 years, 2 months ago
    Just to put my two cents in, I believe that you may have missed a couple of important characters within Rand's work. There was Eddie Willers, who by no stretch of the imagination was a Galt or Rearden, but still was a big part of the story for the purpose of his moral integrity. Also, there was Cheryl (Taggart) who ended up killing herself. And in Anthem there is International 4-8818 (forgive me if the name is wrong) who saw Equality discover the tunnel, but decided not to turn him in, knowing full well the consequences of his choice. These characters are more "realistic" interpretations of the people that Ayn Rand is trying to portray, and, in my opinion, are some of the true key characters of her story. They are the mediators of an Ideology and the real world.
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  • Posted by Equality7-2521 12 years, 2 months ago
    Check out The Romantic Manifesto. In it, Rand speaks a bit about this and goes on to discuss why she uses fiction to express her philosophy. The medium allows her to present her philosophical "ideals" embodied as larger-than-life fictional characters. Creating the images of these "Randian heroes" in readers' minds has a much greater impact, stretching far beyond the story - even if no real person could live up to the same standards.

    When faced with a difficult decision, I tend to ask myself "What would John Galt do?" then add my interpretation of the result in with the rest of the moral imperatives churning around in my brain at the time. The character in my head remains the heroic ideal, even if I cannot (or will not) behave as I believe he would. It's the closest thing to religion I have, and I fear no judgement save that of my own mind.
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  • Posted by Ego 11 years, 12 months ago
    I believe it requires a certain state of mind. I'll tell you this from my personal experience. There was a disciplinary tribunal against 6 of us for plagiarising in a moot court competition. For me, moot courts don't matter and never will. So I cooked up a story where person A accuses me and I accept. I knew that the tribunal had nothing in their power, no penalty they could impose that would honestly affect me in any way. The other 5 saw it as a big deal, and others saw it as a some sort of sacrifice. But it wasn't and I was clear about that. What was done was purely selfish because 1)I was honestly 'sacrificing' nothing plus 2) The thought of doing something 'noble' was kinda gave me an adrenaline rush.
    So point is that it was all done for my own interest. Not for them. Yes it was successful and yes, it served them well. But this according to me was as close to following Ayn Rand as I could get.
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  • Posted by sadclown 12 years, 2 months ago
    First, let me say that I don't think Ayn Rand would agree. She parted ways with many friends because of their "impurity." I do, however, believe that Objectivists are not necessary at all as long as the law of the land supports it's ideals. Then, as we all know, most will earn what they deserve. Does everybody need to be an Objectivist for society to work? No. For a civil society to function all must recognize that Objectivism, and therefore reality, is the path to our greatest value, life.
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  • Posted by Jacerie 12 years, 2 months ago
    "In contrast, in a truly individualist mindset, a person only thinks about if he has as much he wants. "

    I don't think "wants" is proper for that statement as it opens up the floodgates on personal greed. A true Individualist mindset is focused on having what one needs to be comfortable and content while being able to look oneself in the mirror.
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    • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
      If he produces it it is just plain his. What does "want or need" have to do with it? The only way there is any capital to invest is that some producer has more than he can consume so on his own free will, he invests it in his productive enterprise, puts it in a bank to be loaned or in the market to fund other producers. Until he reaches the saturation point of his consumption the goods and services that he trades for provides the income for other traders. The corruption of the system is to introduce an authority that under the badge of altruism assumes the role of regulator. The power of a third party to control the proceedings instead of the market distorts the trader relationship and introduces the trading of influence instead of goods and services.
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  • Posted by markitect 12 years, 2 months ago
    A very good "shades of grey" way of putting it. Nothing is ever completely black & white. But is allowing these shades achieving the ideal? I think not.
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