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Luxembourg the new Gulch?

Posted by andrewph 7 years, 3 months ago to News
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If this tiny country sees the future, and like the US passes a free mining of asteroids law, will that spur entrepreneurs to go?
SOURCE URL: https://www.wired.com/story/luxembourgs-new-law-lets-space-miners-keep-their-plunder/


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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 3 months ago
    Wired aside, read the article and follow the facts for yourself.

    (1) The government of Luxembourg is heavily invested in this: it is not laissez faire. But it may be a good indication considering the sociology and politics of a small nation invested in a large corporation.

    (2) Luxembourg is a venerable cornerstone of the EU. Invest in Luxembourg and you get the EU as a dividend.

    (3) Luxembourg has no army and never had. Germany rolled over them twice. For them, the price of peace was worth the temporary loss of freedom.

    (4) If you make over e100,000 per year, you pay 40% income tax. http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/...

    (5) Everyone pays pension tax (8%) and health tax (3%).
    https://home.kpmg.com/xx/en/home/insi...

    I applaud the asteroid mining but Luxembourg is not Galt's Gulch ... with or without the nugatory T. So, I voted up. It is worth discussing.
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    • Posted by RobertFl 7 years, 3 months ago
      (4) If you make over e100,000 per year, you pay 40% income tax.
      The only diff between the US and Lux is, LUX is honest about taking 40% - the US get the rest of theirs via hidden taxes.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
      Yes, I have more hopes for a remote part of a poor country. My fantasy one starts as a free trade zone in a region that needs jobs. It becomes a place for an accelerator, where teams of kids can get together away from local distractions and without immigration issues. We haven't heard about it yet. It only becomes known when investors there want the govt to honor its agrwement not to tax retained earnings. I imagine this in Colombia or something.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 3 months ago
    This has two real effects, both of which I think are important.

    One, it sets the precedent that at least one country is going to defy the Outer Space Treaty whether it's formally repealed or not. (And with full membership in NATO, Lux is in a good position to defy the UN and get away with it, unless the other members raise a stink about it.)

    Two, it creates another space race. I can think of several other countries, including some with government-backed industries (Japan, South Korea) that are likely to enter that race.

    I predict that somebody, almost certainly people from more than one company and country, will now go do it.

    I also predict that some major country, probably all of them, will figure out soon afterward that they need to create space navies. Because anyone in possession of a spaceship that can go beyond earth orbit, has the capability to fetch a rock from somewhere and throw it at an opponent's city on earth. And if you can do that, the energy it will release makes putting a warhead on it redundant.

    I do not mention this as a reason to avoid going to space, but just as a hazard we'll need to protect against. Giving terrorists a field day would be a bad idea.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 3 months ago
    Smart.
    What is the Luxembourgian language? Might be a good idea to learn it.
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    • Posted by tohar1 7 years, 3 months ago
      Not surprisingly, English is spoken by many Lux citizens. Most are bi-lingual or tri-lingual though. German & French (or derelicts thereof) are spoken throughout the small country. 3 of my 4 grandparents migrated to US from Luxembourg, so I know a little about it. Hope to travel back there someday. Many relatives whom I've never even met over there.
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  • Posted by wiggys 7 years, 3 months ago
    so peter sellers mouse is roaring, wonderful.
    you probably won't believe me but our little old earth has so many minerals to mine we would if the world population doesn't destroy itself be able to work for hundreds of years. but alas we won't enjoy those riches because we are as a species hell bent on total human destruction. lux is just dreaming as is nasa.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 3 months ago
    The article's title is:
    LUXEMBOURG'S NEW LAW LETS SPACE MINERS KEEP THEIR PLUNDER

    "Plunder"?
    This article is biased against the free market from the title onward.
    "settle and distribute their harvested riches"?
    Even on earth mining is a barely profitable business in terms of return on investment. Most mining companies fail even in the relatively benign conditions of known gravity and predictable atmosphere.
    Has Sarah Scoles ever considered the risk involved in mining at all?
    Apparently so, although it isn't obvious from the article. She has the by line on another article about mining asteroids that expose the truth and some very high risks. Space mining is NOT raining riches from heaven in the near future:
    https://www.wired.com/2017/01/asteroi...
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    • Posted by $ Susanne 7 years, 3 months ago
      It's a liberal biased rag sheet anyway, skewed to gain acceptance and readership from the Silicon Valley and LA Techie leftist elite.

      Now, if it was "LUXEMBOURG'S NEW LAW NOW LETS SPACE MINERS KEEP WHAT THEIR GOVERNMENT'S TAXES FORMERLY PLUNDERED"...

      But again, that magazine wouldn't dare publish something like that...
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
        Most VC funding is on the West Coast, but we have a decent tech ecosystem in the Upper Midwest. The author is from Denver. The liberal tech optimist elite is not just on the Coasts. We're everywhere.
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