So according to that link, there were actually three official documents titled "Amendment 13". The first - which by these records appears to be genuine and appropriately ratified says that those who hold titles or receive moneys from foreign agents are disqualified from holding public office. Boy, wouldn't that throw a major wrench in the works of Campaign Finance Reform laws (and forever bar the Clintons from holding office - among MANY others...)! Can you imagine what would happen if any of those with the title "doctor" (including the juris doctorate) were barred from holding office? More importantly, it would make anyone running for office perform more than a little due diligence on campaign financing - including "speaking" events in foreign nations and fundraising dinners! Personally, I see this as a huge step in the right direction.

The Second would have been the one proposed and signed by President Buchanan, but which it does not appear was ever ratified by the States (due to the interference of the Civil War). Because it was never officially ratified, it can not carry the force of law, but I think one could petition the Supreme Court on whether or not it should have been submitted to the States for ratification.

The Third one (the one everyone currently sees) is the one which officially outlaws slavery (and indentured servitude) in the United States. It should be noted that the ratification of this Amendment is of dubious legal veracity because of the State of the Union at that point. If the Southern States truly did secede (Lincoln argued that that was not within their power to do unilaterally) then their status would not have mattered and the remaining States (primarily the anti-slavery North) would have been the only ones affected. The problem is that when the Southern States were petitioning for representation in the House and Senate again, they were forced to ratify the 13th (and 14th) Amendment. That would have been appropriate if they had actually seceded, but the question still remains if that secession was ever legal... It's quite a mess really.

Dino, thank you for the laugh! I love intelligent humor!

Thank you for the link. Bearfootsworld.org is a good place to look for many things. It's not hard to see when the United States corporation copied "our" constitution in 1871 the 13th amendment had to go. I believe part of the 12th was changed too. The original constitution has 13 amendments and is still in effect. The new copy has 27 amendments and "Protects"(LOL) all US citizens who vote.

So you stir the pot and make lots of statements. Where is the evidence to support your statements?

So you stir the pot and make lots of statements. Where is the evidence to support your statements?

Sovereign Citizen arguments won't get you very far. But Jefferson's proposed 13th was important.

So we're supposed to believe in something but never allowed to see proof? Sounds like God.

I started from the position of knowing there were two governments and two constitutions. Any publication today will have the corporate version.I had to find copies of the constitution and amendments printed in the 20's or 30's to find the original one. .