[Ask the Gulch] If you were tasked with designing a health care system to replace Obamacare, how would you do it? Should there even be a health care system, or should each o us be on our own? Is society as a whole be responsible for those in poverty?
Posted by preimert1 7 years, 7 months ago to Ask the Gulch
The free market will take care of pre-existing conditions, price gouging, and competition will bring down monthly costs for the consumer.
Government is beyond its Constitutional mandate in this and many other things. This is why its a guzzling pig. This is why we pay 30-50% in wages. This is why US children are born with a staggering bill to pay.
1. I would set up a system of free clinics across the country, run by the government, generally for low income people. No insurance required.
2. I would have insurance companies offer catastrophic coverage policies as stand-alone policies. Since the pool is the entire US population, the risk is widely spread, and the premium costs would be low, allowing almost anyone to be able to afford it. if you don't buy it, you don't have catastrophic events covered.
I don't see any other way to do it. Trying to fit everyone into a single program, single payer, will just run costs through the roof due to the idea that everyone would get whatever they need for free. Nothing is free.
"free clinics" mean subsidized with tax dollars. Why should anyone else pay for my healthcare?
"would have companies" assumes you or government has the right to dictate to a private business how they should function in order to make money.
I can't agree with your well meaning points for these two reasons.
Sink or swim, fair or foul, you have one life and its yours to do with as you wish.
Here are my issues with those.
1. Why does the gov't set them up instead giving money to the poor? If the gov't is going to provide food poor, for example, it does not need to set up a system of grocery stores.
2. Would there be underwriting on the catastrophic plans? If not, people might wait until their sick and then buy the catastrophic plan once they realize they have a serious problem, e.g. heart disease or cancer, that will cost a lot over a long period of time.
How do you handle someone who does not buy the insurance and does not have much wealth if they have an accident requiring expensive emergency surgery?
You start by getting the government out of it. Remove the laws that enshrine the AMA as the gatekeepers of care so that we can develop new and innovative ways of caring for people.
If you can't get rid of the FDA, at least limit them to determining safety. The market can determine effectiveness. As we know more about genomics we find that the effectiveness of drugs is highly variable based on genetics.
It's time to get away from the doctor with the black bag as the basis of our healthcare. In the future our primary physicians will be software based and virtually free -- you might have to look at an ad.
This really summarizes it. It seems like politicians are like a kid trying to arrange a set of coins on a table in a creative way that makes them have more buying power.
Moreover it should be a market. A system is something I might design. I need to know all the tolerances on the parts to make a model of what output the system will give given any input. People can't be modeled that way. They're people, with their wants and abilities and lives. Maybe they make eyeglasses, and they want to work less in the summer, but if they get OT they'll work more. And they're people need glasses. They have +1.25 with only 0.25 of astigmatism, so they can just buy cheaper readers online, but if they get a job or hobby that requires finely detailed work or they start to need a +1.00 ADD on top of the +1.25 or if there's a sale or a cool new style at the eyeglasses place, maybe they get them there. It's not a system. It's just groups of people helping one another for money. I can't stand that the gov't has turned it into a system.
Part of being responsible is risk management - dealing with the potential/unexpected. That means private insurance according to one's risk factors and needs. but ONLY private enterprise can sufficiently craft a plan that maximizes my coverage while minimizing my outlays. Note that this does not mean I get to demand a Cadillac plan and pay nothing. For the same reason I purchase automobile insurance and homeowner's insurance, I purchase healthcare insurance.
Now, I do believe, however, that there should be two kinds of healthcare insurance and that much of the problem with our current system is the failure to recognize these. First, there is what should be called catastrophic insurance. That's what covers you if you find out you have cancer or get in an automobile accident. These are the rare but really expensive cases that really qualify as "insurance".
The second kind isn't really insurance at all, but health maintenance costs. These are the items people want covered under an insurance plan which aren't either catastrophic or rare: things like routine checkups at the doctor's office, getting an initial diagnosis of the flu, etc. Those shouldn't be termed insurance at all because they are routine. These items should be paid for out-of-pocket so as to reduce their actual consumption and bring it back into the realm where then products and services can be created to assist. This is where your company can purchase group services to specific doctors or groups for a negotiated rate for these basic services. (This was done a century ago.)
So that's how I'd do it.
Encourage physicians' cooperatives, with patients paying a subscription fee for all non-surgical treatment. A coop in Tulsa, OK charges its patients $50/month for a family, and sells them prescriptions at their cost. They accept no insurance for their services, but will connect patients with insurers who sell catastrophic coverage to cover surgeries and critical care. The cooperative is financially sound.
Make the cost of health care 100% tax deductible, including the insurance premiums for those who want insurance. This will help people with serious preexisting conditions.
Expand the use of HSAs, as noted by handyman.
For I hold that one can trace a lot of chronic illness to flat-out bad medical advice. People get that advice because the ones giving it have the licenses. But the advice is still bad.
More broadly: a government exists to manage force. It does not exist to provide goods and service that go beyond being the final arbiter of the use of force.
Adding my opinion: They took a system that isn't motivated to have healthy citizens (quite the opposite), a system that has the least efficient delivery of services (I pay $2500/month while my pediatrician gets $9/kid), slapped a level of government bureaucracy on top of it, held a gun to our heads and called it a tax. OH YEAH...THAT'S GOING TO WORK OUT WELL!
Legislation would be required to do several things: 1) remove restraint of trade barriers across state lines for insurance, 2) vastly liberalize (if you’ll pardon that term) health savings accounts.
The first item speaks for itself. The second item requires more explanation in order to see how it could work. Here is a very short version:
1. Vastly raise the limits on what individuals can contribute to an HSA. All of that limit would be tax deductible. In addition, some of that limit could also be a tax credit.
2. Allow contributions to HSAs from many sources like employer contributions, and from other individuals or charitable organizations. This would include transfers from one person’s HSA to another’s. For example, if you determined that you had more than you needed in yours, you could transfer some to any other person’s HSA.
3. HSA balances can roll from year-to-year without penalty, just like an IRA does. This permits a growing HSA account over the years and provides a comfortable health care cushion in retired years.
4. Withdrawals can be made for any health care related purpose – incidental care, health insurance of any kind, etc.
A system such as this provides an incentive to make very judicious withdrawals so that the HSA will grow over time.
The above is enough description for this venue. A more fully developed position paper on the topic was prepared by the Western North Carolina Objectivists some years ago when Obama Care was first being thrashed about in Congress and the media.
That paper is still on their website here:
http://www.wnco.org/RHSA%20Position%2...
A system such as this produces a number of worthwhile outcomes. One, it provides a mechanism and an incentive by which a person can save for his own health care requirements. Two, it moves health care cost decisions out of the hands of insurance companies or the government into the hands of the individual and his doctor(s). Three, it provides for non-coercive funding (i.e. charity) of less fortunate people’s HSAs.
Comments and criticisms from fellow Gulchers are welcome.
It would not be the first time me dino has been wrong about something.
If I knew better, I still would have voted for Bad Hair Day as the best chance of beating all that the Evil Hag stood for.
I was naive enough at one time to think that you could fight city hall....maybe I watched "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" too often. Now, I really don't have much hope. I think that the Democrats are laughing at us little people, and so are the Republicans.
How he will overcome that corrupt century old or older elite establishment all dug in like infamous Alabama ticks?
I just don't know. Almost all of that crowd started out as conniving blood-sucking lawyers.
The Kim Jong Un way of doing things just doesn't go around here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhtN4...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087925/
I used to read that strip in a galaxy far, far away a long time ago.
Think I bought my last newspaper during 2013 and that was a rare event even then.
I'm pretty sure The Birmingham News didn't go for Pogo, though.
First, free clinics already exist, but on a small scale. Money, even tax dollars, spent for such clinics and the treatment there would be far less than costs incurred in the ER. While working for a hospital in Florida, I built a free clinic nearby for a group of 7 non-profit groups that operated on donations and grants. The result was a 40% decrease in ER visits, a 75% decrease in ER visits by those without insurance, or the indigent, and a $500,000 per month reduction in ER expenses to the hospital.
Second, insurance companies already offer catastrophic-only health insurance policies. What I propose would probably expand this, but I am not suggesting a legal requirement for them to do so.
Nobody should be forced to pay for your health insurance or mine, in a perfect world. But we don't live in a perfect world. I think we will need to accept a certain amount - as small as possible - of government giveaways and tax dollars paying for others.
2. The catastrophic policies would be sold by insurance companies (I.e. Underwriters). Nobody should be forced to buy these policies, but if you don't and come down with a major health problem, you don't have coverage. If the cost is down even "the poor" should be able to buy a policy. The policy premiums year to year are reset based on the claims history from the prior year. That's how it's done now.
If an uninsured is in an accident and needs surgery, you treat him, and the cost goes into the cost history and adjusted next year.
Young, healthy people don't buy insurance because it's expensive. They can use the free clinics for minor medical problems. If they get a major illness requiring extensive treatment, they can still buy the catestrophic policy, but may have to pay out of pocket through a waiting period. The cost they incur is then factored into their premiums for next year.
Initially get insurance companies out of paying for health care directly, and conspiring with the AMA et al to price fix. Make the payments go through the crucible for individual choice for a bit, even if insurance is paying.
Offer basic care to people via government service along with elimination of their right to vote and reproduce, until two periods after they receive the handout. (same for welfare).
Those who can't take care of themselves, can be cared for just like children.
rename it for what it is the "Disease Care System"
Taking that a step further. The main source of "health" are our food choices,
perhaps the agric dept should be renamed "Health Care System" then
we might remove current subsidies for junk food.
btw, the US Corp can declare bankruptcy debt restricting protection and the world economy will plunge.
Getting agencies like the FDA and State licensure boards out of the way will significantly increase the supply of providers and treatments. That will reduce costs. That could also include patent protections. Not sure where to draw that line.
While our genetics play a roll in our health as well as luck but so does out behavior. Take care of yourself, avoid risky behaviors or accept the risk yourself. Using the coercive power of government to confiscate the wealth/income of your neighbor is neither charity or charitable. Something most would not do on their own but are more than happy to have the government do it for them. Few want to talk about what the people who are taxed to pay for it would have done with those dollars, they might have had a use for them that is more important than paying for incompetent and overpaid government bureaucrats to decide what to do with them.
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