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"If concern with poverty and human suffering were the collectivists' motive... " - Ayn Rand

Posted by GaltsGulch 7 years, 8 months ago to The Gulch: General
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"If concern with poverty and human suffering were the collectivists' motive, they would have become champions of capitalism long ago; they would have discovered that it is the only political system capable of producing abundance." - Ayn Rand


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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 8 months ago
    Yup. They aren't in it to alleviate poverty at all, but to aggregate power for themselves. Ultimately they seek a return to the feudal state: of lords and serfs.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 8 months ago
      The only thing they are good at is to continue to fool the poor into thinking they are on the same side. Hmmmm , I guess it is hard to prosper when you are anti-prosperity.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 8 months ago
        "I guess it is hard to prosper when you are anti-prosperity."

        Yup. That's the part about the progressives that just makes no sense: their policies can only ever be short-term ones ending in meltdown because they are all counter-productive.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 8 months ago
    Too many collectivists enjoy the pain of others. Took me a long time to figure that out...
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 8 months ago
      I think they enjoy the pain of themselves, NOT others. This is contradictory because every "self" is an "other" to the rest of the world.
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 8 months ago
        That may be. Without getting into the details here - I've seen their desire to create suffering for others a lot in some of my work over the past year. It's been pretty dark.
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 8 months ago
          Degrading citizens into desperately dependent voters is what collectivists are into.
          I'm sure some bullying kinda sadism is involved. Think of a buzzard lighting down on some poor suffering soul, spreading its wings and squawking, "Looki me! Lookit me! I'm so-o much better than this pathetic wretch!"
          Back in the 70s a lady used that buzzard illustration to describe the mind set of vicious small town gossip.
          It also works for fat cat collectivists aka "more than equal elite betters," who abuse to use people too.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 8 months ago
    Even if they hadn't been smart enough to discover that fact, they would have been receptive when
    somebody explained it to them, unlike the hostile reaction Ayn Rand got, and with people
    trying to call her a "nut" , etc.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 7 years, 8 months ago
    I don't think I ever met a liberal who was genuinely concerned about the suffering of others, only about making them their slaves or using them to justify their own power. The goal should be to encourage and allow people to be free, and the economic system will allow them to prosper according to their esire and willingness to work. Now, if the drug epidemic were so easily solved.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 7 years, 8 months ago
    Social Collectivist Dimo's and others of that ilk are longer rational humans. Not being rational they could not be Objectivist nor Capitalist. They wish to be Overlords of a Socialist Fantasy World. Their constituents are subjects with clay brains that can be molded by guttural propaganda. The individual as in The Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged is a threat to their world view.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 8 months ago
    They know about capitalism. They also know that true capitalism doesn't allow for power over their fellow man, which is their true desire.
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