Galt's Gulch

My government is better than your government.

Posted by Rocky012 7 years, 11 months ago to History
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What is known in the Gulch about our government.

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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 11 months ago
    What is known? Well...it's a Kakistocracy just like all the other governments of the world.
    However, we the people still have mechanisms in place to correct some things, at least a degree or two.
    But...truly draining this swamp dry and putting in nice clean navigable waters is not likely...it doesn't mean we shouldn't try though.
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    • Posted by Rocky012 7 years, 10 months ago
      Hi Olduglycarl, I'm trying to show people that things aren't the way we think they are. Like the 14th amendment says if you are borne in the United States you are a "citizen of the United States". In US v. Antony 24Fed 829 (1873) the court found " citizen of the United States" to be a special class of citizen created by congress. What congress creates congress controls. As a citizen of the United States you have no rights only privileges and no protection under the constitution. The trick is to not be a US citizen so they can't harm you.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 10 months ago
        Where is it written that Citizens have privileges but not rights?..or is this someone's interpretation...Just don't remember that.
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        • Posted by Rocky012 7 years, 10 months ago
          The 14th amendment says if you are borne in the US you are a citizen of the United States and no state can infringe on those privileges. No where in the amendment does it mention "Rights"
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          • Posted by Rocky012 7 years, 10 months ago
            I should have said that you are born with rights, but privileges are given to you. Who ever gives you privileges can take them away. Like when you go into court and find out you have no rights.
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            • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 10 months ago
              I think we'd have to go back and see what those words actually meant during those times...looking at older dictionary's etc. Connotations have changed a lot since.
              I was reading the beginning of Jefferson Lies and David was showing how words were spelt differently and used differently than we do today with side by side comparisons.
              In short, they may not have meant it the way we assume today.
              I get your point however.
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              • Posted by Rocky012 7 years, 10 months ago
                It would be interesting to see the real first Constitution to seen if there are some words that don't translate well today. I would also like to compare the original Constitution with the one the US corporation wrote in 1871 to see if they only differ in the title.
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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 10 months ago
    Whatever public appearance Donald makes of draining the swamp I would bet on the side of the result of all previous attempts. It will appear as though something is changing while some divisions are simply rolled in with others and the claim is made; 'see, I made it disappear!' Reduction of regulations will assure that new stricter ones are enforced even if fewer in number makes the slaves feel freer. The republic died with a whimper through slow evolution into a democratic communist government that will only give up when it collapses or has killed everyone it can tax.
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  • Posted by Rocky012 7 years, 10 months ago
    It has been my dream to find a way to close the Federal Reserve, but now I see we can't. Our current system would collapse. After three generations of living under gov. control I can't expect the American public to suddenly become self governing. If traffic regulations were only suggestions then many drivers would go wild. They would not know how to govern their own actions without a gov. regulation to follow. So now I see the process back to freedom as a slow educational process.
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    • Posted by chad 7 years, 10 months ago
      People would not go wild while driving if the results were still the same, death and destruction of property while driving are strong motivators. There was not speed limit on the freeways in Nevada and Montana for many years. When I crossed into Nevada I sometimes sped up but continued to operate safely and so did all the others. It comes back to not being reckless and if you are being held accountable. The highway deaths in these states were no higher than any other. The idea that the state knows where bad behavior begins and needs to regulate it immediately gives the state the right to control individuals.
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      • Posted by Rocky012 7 years, 10 months ago
        Exactly my point Chad. You have learned self governance, but many, particularly young people have not. I believe there would be a steep learning curve for many who have grown up with the gov. telling them what to do or not do. Thank you for participating in my topic. I believe there are many more level headed people out there besides you and me.
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        • Posted by Kittyhawk 7 years, 9 months ago
          I think you might want to rethink whether people ARE truly ready for self-governance. Chad said highway deaths did not go up when there was no speed limit. In fact, I've seen the statistics, and they went down. See https://www.motorists.org/press/monta... Wherever more freedom has been gained, the same results have been found: people act responsibly (for the most part) and thrive. The reality is that government's laws or "nanny rules" meant to keep us safe do not actually improve behavior, but make it worse.
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