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Road block 1 - People in general prefer being part of a group, the larger the better. Objectivism is based on individual rights and responsibility. A base group of 1 requires more self confidence than many people will ever have.
Road Block 2 - Just in case mind set. Those that are not enamored of Altruism still like the largesse of others it promotes. Even though nowadays little, if any, is voluntary. After all, that largess comes in handy if you have problems yourself. So they support it weakly, Just in Case.
I actually support limited gov't programs to help the poor, but for the same reason I support taxes to fund the police. Let's remove that reason within this thought-experiment. Suppose it's proven that it's impossible for gov't programs for the poor to provide a non-excludable benefit the way policing does. Now I have to answer if I support gov't programs for the poor that really are a form of alms. I do not believe in gov't-enforced charity, but I would choose that world in this thought experiment.
I imagine someone smarter than I am about all this writing a story where someone chooses the altruistic world in the before-life, lives half a lifetime, and then somehow gets the chance to cross over into the selfish (in the good way) world and shudders to see the real price of altruism.
This is wholly different than charity, which is a voluntary and individual act. Society would not exist if child-rearing - which is undoubtably an act of personal sacrifice - had the same moral fundamentals as altruism. I would strongly caution against trying to cast too broad a net.
No ideas of anything exist before someone formulates them. Correct ideas are based on facts of reality observed by a human consciousness. The ideas themselves are not in reality prior to consciousness formulating valid concepts. Discovering a principle does not mean finding it under a rock. It means using valid conceptual classifications to mentally formulate a general statement and then validating it. Knowledge is objective, not intrinsic or subjective. It is a grasp of the facts of reality in accordance with the conceptual means of human awareness. See Ayn Rand's Introduction to Objective Epistemology.
No one created and formulated a proper ethics before Ayn Rand did. It did not exist. The facts of human nature that eventually gave rise to the concepts and principles existed. The principles identifying the standards for proper choice of action and their purpose did not. Please read her article "The Objectivist Ethics":
"No philosopher has given a rational, objectively demonstrable, scientific answer to the question of why man needs a code of values. So long as that question remained unanswered, no rational, scientific, objective code of ethics could be discovered or defined...
"Most philosophers took the existence of ethics for granted, as the given, as a historical fact, and were not concerned with discovering its metaphysical cause or objective validation. Many of them attempted to break the traditional monopoly of mysticism in the field of ethics and, allegedly, to define a rational, scientific, nonreligious morality. But their attempts consisted of trying to justify them on social grounds, merely substituting society for God."
Please refrain from telling me that my "knowledge of how Ayn Rand thought is very very limited". You couldn't be more wrong and it is not an argument. Your dismissal of centuries of philosophers prior to Ayn Rand as "not smart" and nothing more than "looters" is profoundly anti-intellectual. It shows no understanding of how ideas and social systems evolved over centuries.
Busy people without initiative or time to examine philosophic principles... to think... Emotion rules and feel good actions are always "well-intentioned." That is the trap for those that do not bother to think of it any further. It is a catch all mental tool of evasion, useful for avoiding the obvious, or the effort of thinking it through, and recognizing the pattern. Following up and checking one's premises may mean one must reassess much of their belief system. Some can be very set in their ways.
Regards,
O.A.
To see what is positive and what is negative requires formulating an objective ethics that begins with identifying the facts that give rise to the field of ethics. What is in your self-interest is a principle to be discovered based on the nature of man. That determines what is virtue and what is good versus bad. That is why the Objectivist ethics is called "objective".
Altruism in contrast begins with the premise of sacrifice to others as the entire basis of ethics. It regards ethics as entirely social -- relating to other people through sacrifice as the ideal. It excludes from the province of ethics the entire realm of choices in your personal life, their affect on your life, and the idea of the life of the individual as the standard and one's own happiness as the goal. It begins with ethics as entirely social -- social sacrifice -- and does not recognize principles of social aspects of ethics as a consequence of ethical principles for one's own life.
They see negative affects all right, and often don't personally like it, but don't allow that as a motivating ethical concern for what to do since duty to sacrifice is the entire basis and motive for what they consider to be ethical behavior. At most they scream for others to sacrifice more. For every altruistic act there is a beneficiary, and they want to be included as one in the orgy of increasing demands for sacrifice.
The purpose of all such behavior control is to secure freedom, safety, equality, peace, getting along, having basic needs met, and promoting friendships and preventing hostilities. "Love thy neighbor" and all that. Entire codes of morality were developed, with concepts of sins and virtues. Complex systems of laws were constructed to handle conflicts. On the largest scale, treaties were concluded to keep peace among nations.
The "doing good" to others to keep them from doing ill to you is the basic premise in relationships. The Golden Rule of treating others as you want to be treated, of loving others as yourself has attempted for thousands of years to arrive at a protocol that would assure equal benefits to all parties. Yet the animal nature from which we evolved is underpinned by the choice of "eat or be eaten", when what we need is "neither eat nor be eaten" by our fellow man. So selfishness has a bad name, and altruism (mistaken for benevolence, generosity, charity, kindness, decency, consideration, respect) is seen as the great virtue in human relations.
Only Ayn Rand saw altruism as what it leads to: total self-sacrifice for the sake of others. Thus the vast majority of people who buy into being good to each other view their being good as the very definition of altruism. And encountering the Objectivist denouncement of altruism and assertion of selfishness as a virtue turns most people against Objectivism, thinking of it as heartless and predatory. That's why.
There is not enough emphasis on Ayn Rand's reformulation of the Golden Rule as stated in Galt's Oath, especially its second half: "I swear by my life and my love of it that I shall never live for the sake of another man, NOR ASK ANOTHER MAN TO LIVE FOR MINE." Without that reciprocal part, Objectivism gets a bad name. Coupled with Rand's praise of capitalism, which is seen as rapacious and greedy and breeds hatred of the successful and the rich, Objectivism is more readily viewed with disdain by the majority of the public, who operate on emotional conditioning rather than rational thought. That's why.
What binds an altruist to obedience to the law? Nothing particular. Looking back to the middle ages, the exemplar of altruism, what modern individual can assert the rights to life, liberty, or property were respected or even practiced casually, like a Christian song at Christmas celebration among self-confessed atheists? No one in particular.
The confusion lies in the vogue of primacy of consciousness. The vogue, a bewildering irrationalist chic, is as an obvious phantom to the individual engaged in the pursuits of a mystic. Still, the practitioner somehow believes that he benefits from the propagation of the false worldview in a self-induced fog compounded by the laziness inherent in the necessary avoidance of reality. He seeks, like the compulsive gambler, one more roll of the dice at the table of destiny, slowly dissolving into a man who has faith simply because he has no desire to think... and no desire to change his course. And when the creditors come to collect, he devolves (lit.) into an animal that takes by force in order to propagate his habit.
The altruist of your question is a casual altruist. There is safety in numbers, so to speak. So rather than play dice, he joins causes the gain him favor in the eyes of his god or his peers or or his fuhrer, as the case may be, not realizing that he has been struck by a plague of the spirit from which he and his comrades cannot recover until his entire generation has passed on into their sour graves to be forgotten for their lack of courage. Altruism feels safe to people and it is systematically propagandized by various powerful institutions that believe benefit arises from it's propagation, as if it were some shadowy currency to use when it was most needed. What the world needs to hear is not "Yes, we can [win with altruism]", but "no, I won't [dabble in altruism... ever]".
Technocracy Road Block 1 - I am not prone to be part of a group. I do however have empathy when I see someone in need. I have no objection to giving a few dollars, getting a meal for someone, or putting a few dollars of gas in someones gas can if its my choice.
Technocracy Road Block 2 - I gave up on hedging my bets with a Creator some time ago - to many Christians its more about faith than works. I give when I choose because its something I want to do be that money, food or time.
The error by the people is assuming that the politician's best interests are congruent with theirs.
I don't know if this same scenario could be used in the USA. It's better than robbing Peter to pay Paul, to use a colloquial phrase.In other words, taking tax payer dollars and paying the poor.
On specific issues there are people with common sense who can be appealed to without their understanding Ayn Rand, but that isn't enough. Asking people to refrain from coercion will not touch anyone with a thorough altruist mindset.
To correct the course of the country on a long term cultural scale against the trend of statism-collectivism requires a broad philosophical understanding, and that means reason and individualism displacing irrationalism and altruism. There are no shortcuts, least of all emotions.
childhood: e.g., when someone grabs something
of yours, you resist, and are called "selfish!" But over the years, with the belief in altruism pervading the whole society, the people all around you, the constant, and nearly earthwide,
equation of selfishness with evil, it becomes
far from obvious. I knew I was selfish when a
teenager, and thought that I was therefore in-
capable of love, and could never be happy. I
saw the title The Virtue of Selfishness in a
local library, and though I knew I was selfish,
didn't think it could be a virtue. I nevertheless
got the book (it was on a trading shelf), and ex-
pected to find cynical arguments. But I was
very intrigued. Particularly by the politics, which
were largely my own.
Sacrificing itself for the protection of the people ONLY!!!
Things have gotten so skewed at this point a violence free correction is unlikely in the extreme.
DHS is its own agency, so political approval is not initially required. Easier far to ask for forgiveness after rather than permission before.
And when the effects begin to become visable, people have too much baggage from how they were raised.
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