I would like a list of things that are NOT sexist.

Posted by Wonky 11 years, 3 months ago to Entertainment
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(Sorry LetsShrug... curious to see if this list is shorter)

"Answers should be short (and you know who I'm talking to! If you can't handle one short sentence or less, than don't.)
"I'll go first:
"1) Water."

-LetsShrug


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  • Posted by Spinkane 11 years, 3 months ago
    In the New York Metro area there is every walk of life; so much so that everyone is equal. At work I overheard a guy in his 20’s state “working here is making me racist.” We joke around but… I said to him (seriously) “MLK said, judge a man by his character..” where he interjected, emphatically “ ”or the color of his skin!” he was just being funny. What I say to progressives is “A capitalist only wants the person who can do the best job for the right price.” inherently non racist.
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    • Posted by $ Tap2Golf 11 years, 3 months ago
      I believe that you think everyone is equal, but there are some it seems, such as your work colleague, who thinks otherwise. They are the problem. I like your comments to him.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 3 months ago
    Is the point of these posts to diminish the seriousness of sexism and racism?
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    • Posted by Rozar 11 years, 3 months ago
      Sexism and racism aren't serious. People should be allowed to use their judgement, even if they are foolish enough to apply it to such a broad category of people. If they aren't inciting violence they should be free to hate whoever they want. Hating someone doesn't infringe on their rights, case closed. I know that I stopped going to a bar in my town because they had a discount for couples on certain nights, but the deal didn't extend to homosexuals. They have the right to serve anyone they want at any price they want, but when they discriminate against my friends they lose my business. The free market wins again.
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      • Posted by seput1978 11 years, 3 months ago
        I vote for a new ____ism, the right of all individuals to make All of Their decisions based on Their own set of parameters without judgement. Freedomism
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 3 months ago
          But that sounds like "taking freedom too far," just as "Islamism" is taking Islam too far. I wouldn't be completely shocked to see libertarian ideas branded with the Orwellian epithet "freedomism".
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          • Posted by Rozar 11 years, 3 months ago
            Agreed. You'll have to be mindful that even in a world where you have the freedom to do whatever you want with what you possess, you shouldn't have the freedom to force your will upon others. Else you will end with barbarianism. Haha isms are fun.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 3 months ago
        "Sexism and racism aren't serious. People should be allowed to use their judgement, even if they are foolish enough to apply it to such a broad category of people."

        People will use their judgement regardless of what other doe. Die gendanken sind frei. You can be sure that in organizations that insist you must "believe" XYZ, not everyone does.

        None of this diminishes the seriousness of logical errors.

        "But you should be allowed to make logical errors!" you'll say. I say you cannot STOP people from making logical errors. They're still serious.
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        • Posted by Rozar 11 years, 3 months ago
          I guess serious is a relative term. Either or, if you can't effect something, as in you can't stop people from making logical errors, it only becomes serious when you try to change the nature of reality, as that's when real crimes start to happen. Also there's a sense of degree, since seriousness is relative. Logical errors exist in everything people do, with racist and sexist errors being of less importance than most considering the large scale.
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago
      No it's to point out what ISN'T sexism or racism, since soooo many things seems to fall under these isms we're just trying to be clear so we don't cross the invisible lines unintentionally. (Because apparently you CAN unintentionally cross the line. One would think it could only be considered an ism if it were intentional, but the rules are often altered these days. Just trying to stay abreast.)
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      • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago
        I was being a bit sarcastic here...no one noticed my last word? (For those of you who don't already know this... I hate P.C.ness.) And Rozar is getting line of the day for: " Hating someone doesn't infringe on their rights, case closed."
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      • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 11 years, 3 months ago
        Point for stating that you can unintentionally cross the line.

        As for the isms, I think anything can be made into an ism, depending on the agenda, and the value to the victimhood.

        My contribution to the list: fire and air.
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        • Posted by 11 years, 3 months ago
          Are you implying that victimhood is a prerequisite to the application of an ism?

          I'll grant you that any ism can be used to support a claim to victimization.

          Should we start a new post requesting a list of isms that are not generally used to support a specific form of victimization?
          1. Objectivism?
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          • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 11 years, 3 months ago
            No. I'm implying that being a victim of "____ism" often times is a choice to push an agenda, gain an advantage, receive unearned profits/benefits etc. It can be used as a weapon. It can also be used as a why to avoid personal responsibility. They won't so I can't. It can be used by either the 'victim' or the 'victimizer'. Choice.
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    • Posted by 11 years, 3 months ago
      If I may answer for myself in a circular way:

      My older brother is gay. At a time in our lives when I had more gay friends than he did, he insisted I was homophobic.

      The point being that even the ones you love can accuse you of being anything they wish to.

      The question for me is pretty simple: is there anyone that cannot be accused of being sexist, racist, homophobic, etc? Moreover, does falling on the wrong side of a special political agenda automatically make you sexist, racist, homophobic, etc.

      It does get a bit old (as a straight white male) to be labelled something you are not. I'm pretty sure that is the basis of modern politics though... slap enough negative labels on your opponent to discredit them and you win the looter's seat.

      I do know far too many people who actually are at least intermittently sexist, racist, and/or homophobic, and I find their comments abhorrent.

      I won't speak for LetsShrug.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 3 months ago
        There's a huge difference in politics and real life for me. If I someone judges me or I judge someone unfairly, that's VERY unfortunate. If politicians try to work a race angle, I just ignore it as a case of politicians exploiting a real problem. In my life I try to deal with people fairly.

        It seems like the attitude among those who spend time watching politicians is, "Oh yeah, you can't MAKE me treat people fairly." That's very true.
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    • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago
      YES
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 3 months ago
        In my dealings with people, though, I meet mainly people who claim to operate fairly and want to work with people to solve problems and get things working-- no racist / sexist nonsense.
        It could be that a) Madison is unique in this way, b) people don't admit their bigotry, c) indifference to bigotry is confined to losers in rural trailer parks that I don't come into contact with, or d) something I'm not even thinking of. For whatever reason, I don't see that much indifference to bigotry in my experience.
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  • Posted by $ Tap2Golf 11 years, 3 months ago
    If a person has a sexist "chip" on their shoulder, they readily can misconstrue anything you say or do as sexist. and they will. And vis-a-versa. Only a flexible list between any two people.Add a third and the list changes, and so on.

    There can be no universal list.
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago
      The way I see it...people who get offended WANT to be offended. It gives them a certain power over another person and once a person is painted hurtful or cruel the topic is lost because it puts them on the defense. I have no time for someone who's easily offended. Not to mention they are NO fun to be around anyway. I'm only willing to walk on eggshells around sleeping babies...
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago
      That's the point we're trying to prove. Anything, or almost anything, can be turned into something offensive by an offendee. PC is boxing us into corners of silence. Very INtolerant from those who love to preach tolerance, not to mention stepping pretty hard on the First Amendment.
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