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Do we have any elected legislative leaders who believe this?
My favorite Red Skelton line:
"Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly's to the bone."
"There's a limit to intelligence,
But no limit to stupidity."
genius.....
In that sense, I point out that by our military customs, no flag ever flies higher than the American flag, except the chaplain's flag (while services are being held). The meaning is that the government is subject to a higher law. I think that you agree with that.
Even the Bible is nuanced. Paul of Tarshish ("Saint Paul") said in his book "Epistle to the Romans" (simplyt the book called "Romans") that our rulers are put here on Earth by God. It is our duty to obey them as we obey our heavenly Father. That injunction contradicted 3500 years of teachings. From Kings
to the Maccabees, the Bible is a continuing narrative of resistance to secular rules in the name of Holy Law. That appears in mundane form in Atlas Shrugged.
Got to make clear what that higher law is. Some suggestions might make a good topic.
When I was a small boy {sorry}, each year the school principal would play a record of this over the PA system, and we would then discuss what we heard and what it meant to us.
It was annoying that so many of my contemporaries failed to listen, failed to comprehend, and failed to participate in the ensuing discussions.
Anyone who equivocates "Flag" with 'government' 'leader', 'ruler' or any specific individual or office, has missed the point. Just as the "Republic" is not the the representatives who have lead the nation astray for their personal gratification, the republic is the process which what is supposed to protect the people from the government.
I've been raised to fury at the weak and selfish men who occupy the offices of the republic, as any man of good faith should be. But my goal is to punish the specific evil-doers, not wipe away the framework that allows men of good conscience and disparate viewpoints to coexist in harmony.
That's why I pledge.
And because I'm a (small 'a') atheist, I simply pause when the two words added are spoken by the rest.
Allegiance, in the way that it not only was originally conceived but historically has been used, is the same as unconditional love in this respect. Unconditional love destroys the concept of love altogether, because to love is to value and valuing a virtue and a vice equally defies the law of cause and effect. It raises the vice and destroys the virtue.
If I am to take a pledge, it will be this:
"I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I shall never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
That is a promise that I will make. Not to a country, a Country, a republic, a Republic, etc.
https://fee.org/articles/the-true-mea...
Also, the pledge only dates from the 20th century. The US had by then already lost most of its worthiness to be so adored.
The religious part was added in mid 1950s, about when I was 14 and still required to pretend to repeat the god part. When something becomes a tradition, it loses any real human purpose other than some small left over evolutionary survival of the fittest so that those who need a sign of trustfulness can feel good.
Beyond that, some people will stuff their shirts with whatever is handy. Right now, I serve with a good team, but I can think of one staff officer for whom the label "martinet" applies. So, too with religion. One time, as a result of a talk that I gave, I was invited to the Methodist church in the small town where we lived. So, one time, the Church Teens usher takes me to back row pew. (No one wants to sit down front, right?) But I see the president of the Men's Club down there and in a church whisper loud enough for everyone to hear, I say, "No, I want to sit down front with the hypocrites and Pharisees." And he turns around, smiles, and waves me down front to sit with him and his family.
No stuffed shirts there that day... Church is for sinners who need Salvation. Some understand that; others do not.
But I am still an atheist and that church was only so fulfilling for so long.
On religion, while Sunnis kills Shiites (the current most popular atrocities, replacing Catholics vs. Protestants in Northern Ireland, and besting even the Palestinians vs.Israel), you never saw Heisenbergers killing Einsteinians. Physics is about reality. So the truth is easier to obtain.
I get that.
But over all, there are good people and bad people in just about any random group, religionists, communists, or Objectivists.
https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
I am also an atheist, but I have no problem saying the words "under God."
The changes then were just a rearrangement of the stars. (You see them in cowboy movies: http://creativeroots.org/wp-content/u...
But what if it completely changed? Would that revoke your pledge to the flag. (I accept that you also pledged allegiance to the republic for which the flag stands. However, the conjunction there is "and". Both must be true for the statement to be true.
The pledge, may have been a progressive swearing of allegiance to a their idea of a state. I always saw it as a pledge, in appreciation, of the opportunity, to engage in this hard fought for, "American" Idea.
I think many of us, thought the same; if this is true, then the progressives loose.
This is very similar to the entire concept that John F. Kennedy promoted of "ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country." In this scenario, both requests or demands are wrong. "The country" does not exist as a source of goodies for us, and we do not exist to serve it.
I guess the point I'm trying to get across is that a pledge to anything other than ones self creates a duty to others, an unchosen obligation to them. We cannot pledge allegiance to an idea because ideas are not conscious and therefore cannot have values, needs, or interests. Allegiance implies taking actions towards the ends desired by that to which you are pledging such allegiance. We can only take actions to support things that have real physical existence. That is why the "war on terror and "is such a failure. You cannot fight ideas, only those who follow them. When you pledge allegiance to an idea, you were pledging allegiance to those people who control (or possibly follow) that idea. If the idea is "the republic" then what is being requested of you is unquestioning fealty to those who run the republic.
And one final thing, which I feel with much less conviction then the rest of what I said before, but I thought it was worth mentioning anyway is that I do not agree that "many of us" changing the way we feel about the pledge will actually erase the original meaning of the pledge. Just like many people feel differently about the meaning of the Second Amendment, but that does not change its actual meaning. Like I said, this is a much lesser point, but I thought it was worth mentioning my opinion.
I agree with your argument, But that's why it makes no difference to me what progressives and their allegiances mean to them, because my intent is 180 opposed the theirs.
We can play the "Language" game too.
caution:...won't work in a "progressive" court of law.
[SAD]
The Pledge of Allegiance was written by Francis Bellamy a Christian socialist. (Nice tribute to him and the Pledge on Huffington Post here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-d....
I think that the current flap over kneeling for the National Anthem is a similar false dichotomy for which an Objectivist would have a different, albeit patriotic, answer.
The pledge, may have been a progressive swearing of allegiance to a their idea of a state. I always saw it as a pledge, in appreciation, of the opportunity, to engage in this hard fought for, "American" Idea.
As for the addition, "Under God"...I fear not the mystical for the greater understanding of the phrase...which may actually express appreciation of the unlikely hood of the establishment of any country, so brazen, to dare put the people in control of their own lives, something we still battle in favor of today...with that wish for All mankind..."Justice for All".
I think many of us, thought the same; if this is true, then the progressives loose. Will we ever win this battle?
I'm fairly sure I first saw it in black and white.
That would be a next door neighbor named Kay pointed at our DuMont and told Mom how much nicer those new color TVs are.
https://www.google.com/search?q=dumon...
Bye-bye, DuMont. Don't go away mad. Just go away.
Skelton's humor was in some ways like that of Danny Thomas and a few others who found an uplifting way to bring laughs, different from sarcasm and put-downs.
"At the time of his death, his art dealer believed that Skelton had earned more money through his paintings than from his television work.
"Skelton believed his life's work was to make people laugh; he wanted to be known as a clown because he defined it as being able to do everything." -- Wikipedia here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Ske...
but much more on the dedicated site here:
http://www.redskelton.com/
So, it is to be expected that he had deep thoughts about patriotism. His beliefs may not be yours or mine, but he was explicitly conceptual in them.
https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
You can google Francis Bellamy and the Pledge and find many links, among them, of course Wikipedia.